Who complains about speed of play?

[Golfmmad]

It's not just certain handicaps that moan and complain - as my Brothers found out during a round last Thursday. It was the "Members" at the course they were playing, down here in the South.
They were in 2 groups of 3,not overly slow. But the "Members" behind, who were in 2 balls and in BUGGIES, were moaning and groaning. What chance did they have - were being pressed all the time and even though they let several 2 balls through, they still moaned Just glad I wasn't playing.

Golfmmad.

 

[kid2]

Iv moaned the odd time and usually if i let it get to me the inevitable "top or duff" arrives with the subsequent shot.....
Lately what iv been doing is leaving the club in the bag if im on the fairway waiting for the green until im ready to play...That way im not getting wound up.....If im on the tee ill just clean the grooves or my ball or something esle other than any action that may throw me off my routine.....
It seems to be working so far as my playing partners get very bad with slow play...But ill put that down to old age and youth

 

[brendy]

Slow play is bad enough, letting it get to you and blaming it on a duff is worse.
The things you do have control over is your own temperament and swing, go to your ball and assess the lie, wind etc but walk away and have a sip of juice and a chat with the rest of your fourball if they are close by.

 

[sev112]

i dont mind what speed anyone plays - you can play as slow as you want, but you MUST keep letting people through.
And just because you can;t get through teh group in front, doesn;t mean that a faster group behind can't. Let teh faster group through, enjoy your day, let them enjoy theirs, and let them work on teh group in front of you.

 

[JT77]

I am not a fan of slow play. I agree that people should play you through if there is a gap in front and you are right up the backsides, or are a smaller group that is moving quicker.

Saying that, in a medal comp say, where every group is a 4ball and people are taking more time, I dont mind as much so long as it keeps moving and people behind are respectful also. I hate it when people start hitting tee shots at your back, when you too have nowhere to go, I find extremely disrespectful.

 

[HughJars]

So we DO agree that the very low and the higher h/cappers complain the least and the moaners are those in the middle somewhere? Just you say 2-12 and I say 9-19.

Notice in the original post I purposely left out the 6,7,8 h/cappers as they are by far the worst "Golf Diva Wannabee's" of the lot

Nah , not 'divas', just hate pricks who think that taking more than four hours is in any way an acceptable use of their time.

I bet among your favouriote phrases are - 'take your time, there's no rush', it's not a race', and 'enjoy the game, we're not going anywhwere'?

 

[Owen_Thomas_14]

So we DO agree that the very low and the higher h/cappers complain the least and the moaners are those in the middle somewhere? Just you say 2-12 and I say 9-19.

Notice in the original post I purposely left out the 6,7,8 h/cappers as they are by far the worst "Golf Diva Wannabee's" of the lot

Nah , not 'divas', just hate pricks who think that taking more than four hours is in any way an acceptable use of their time.

I bet among your favouriote phrases are - 'take your time, there's no rush', it's not a race', and 'enjoy the game, we're not going anywhwere'?

Hey!!!!!


Im not a golf wannabe and i hate taking over 3.5 hours each round as i lose interest easily, so does that make me a rare 7 handicapper???

 

[Imurg]

just hate pricks who think that taking more than four hours is in any way an acceptable use of their time.

Bit of a sweeping statement!

Lets just imagine that on every other hole your group of 4 has to look for a ball and it takes the full 5 minutes to find it. You've already added 45 minutes to your round. And if you have to look for a ball on every hole that's 90 more. If it takes my group 4 1/2 hours to play the round then that's how long it takes and depending on circumstances I would find it acceptable.

Why is there this anal fear of taking more than 4 hours on a golf course? The time you take depends on so many factors. Not getting at high handicappers, but they hit more shots and so must take longer, a player who hits long but wayward takes time to find the ball, this apart from the normal slow play practices that we all know of.

I think some of us have forgotten that this is a GAME! The world will not end if you get round in more than 4 hours.

Sure, sometimes it takes 3 or 3 1/2 but sometimes it takes 4 1/2 - where's the problem. Its a game.

Played by 99.9% of us for enjoyment. If the ettiqutte rules are stuck to there shouldn't be any issues. A slower group lets a faster one through.

Slow play sucks - but get over it.

 

[JustOne]

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I agree with this post from Imurg.

I bet among your favouriote phrases are - 'take your time, there's no rush', it's not a race', and 'enjoy the game, we're not going anywhwere'?

You missed my favourite phrase....
















"Would anyone like a sandwich?"

 

[RGDave]

Slow play is bad enough, letting it get to you and blaming it on a duff is worse.
The things you do have control over is your own temperament and swing, go to your ball and assess the lie, wind etc but walk away and have a sip of juice and a chat with the rest of your fourball if they are close by.

My old, old pro used to take me along to pro/am days when I was a bandit.
These rounds tended to get very slow and I would get all nervous and twitchy on the tees. He (my pro) was not a good player but he was very wise. On the 11th a Llanymynech, he walked over to me, took the club out of my hand and walked with me a few yards away from the tee. Let me see if I can summarise the conversation.

"Dave....when it gets slow, DON'T get your club out, DON'T pace around the tee like a frustrated pro, relax, have a drink/fag/chat/sit down and when it's time to go, get out your club and do your normal thing.....the only difference between flowing play and waiting is in your mind. It doesn't matter if you wait 1 minute or 10 minutes, if you put the game on hold and then step up "as if" you'd just arrived on the tee, you'll give yourself the best chance."

It worked.

4 holes later he then banned me from taking practice swings!!!!

He knew what he was talking about.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I have no real issue with slow play especially at weekends which is obviously peak time. I do have an issue with inconsideration and in particular groups waiting for a green to clear on a short par 4 and then all hitting into the rubbish while you are standing there and not having the foresight to invite you through as they know they will be spending time searching. That and those leaving bags in the wrong place or marking cards on the green. Then I have an issue.

I don't even have an issue with four guys hacking their way round as long as they are keeping their ball in play and don't lose any distance. Even if they take 6-9 per hole most of the time they are not hitting very far and their partners are often ready to take their shot anyway. Much prefer that to some junior, low handicap wannabee, mid handicapp hopeful or high handicap social golfer (think I've alienated most categories ) standing there rehearsing their swing, taking endless practice swings, faffing around in their bag or nattering to their mates and then watch as they hit it 100 yards tops and conduct an inquest

 

[JustOne]

Much prefer that to some junior, low handicap wannabee, mid handicapp hopeful or high handicap social golfer (think I've alienated most categories ) standing there rehearsing their swing, taking endless practice swings, faffing around in their bag or nattering to their mates and then watch as they hit it 100 yards tops and conduct an inquest

That'll win you some friends...!!

Careful or else you'll be branded as an argumentative type... just like me

 

[Region3]

So we DO agree that the very low and the higher h/cappers complain the least and the moaners are those in the middle somewhere? Just you say 2-12 and I say 9-19.

Notice in the original post I purposely left out the 6,7,8 h/cappers as they are by far the worst "Golf Diva Wannabee's" of the lot

Nah , not 'divas', just hate pricks who think that taking more than four hours is in any way an acceptable use of their time.

I bet among your favouriote phrases are - 'take your time, there's no rush', it's not a race', and 'enjoy the game, we're not going anywhwere'?

I'm a prick then.

I never expect to get round in under 4 hours in a comp, or on any Saturday or Sunday morning after about 7am.

I don't believe in rushing if you're constantly waiting for the group in front to clear the fairway/green, just so the group behind can play their shots 30 seconds faster.

Maybe your club is different, but at ours if you want to guarantee getting round in under 4 hours you need to be playing after 3pm, and preferably midweek.

 

[kid2]

I also fully agree with Imurg.....Thats the whole problem with todays modern world....Everybody's rushing round at 100 mph.......The game of Golf is not a race if it were we'd have no's on our bodies.....While im against excessive slow play sometimes its inevitable...the whole course maybe running slow and as Imurg has said balls get lost you have your 5 mins within the rules to find them so whats the problem.....If the group in front call you through thank them...If they dont have a quite word after the game with them.....If the group behind are impatient there's nothing that can be done about them if your group has nowhere to go....Have a quite word with them also......

Play the game enjoy it and relax..Because come monday morning most of us are back to the grind stone at 100mph and are wishing that following weekend comes fast...See everything goes faster than it should ...Its the only game that can be played until your old and decrepid...

 

[USER1999]

It isn't a race, but I waited 15 minutes on 3 tees today, in the medal, and each time messed up when I had been playing well. Why was I waiting? Because people weren't hitting provisionals, were waiting for greens to clear when they could't make it (by miles). It did for me. Drove me nuts. Yep, could be me externalising, but equally could be a bunch of idiots fannying about who have no right being in the comp. To discover that 2 out of 3 N/R'ed, early, and yet still lost 3 holes on the guys in front (who they let through on the 6th, and promptly lost 2 holes on in one hole). WTF. I left after the round for fear of clocking someone.

 

[19th]

Well Murph, I have a playing partner who suffers from 'Murphites'.

In his mind he is afraid that the game behind, on the tee, thinks he cannot reach the green so why is he waiting for it to clear? He then takes the middle course!!

As the green is still clearing he addresses the ball but he knows he should wait but 'Murph' is teed up waiting to drive, the result - he does not commit to the shot!!

If I am beside him on the fairway, I will distract him for a minute to let the green clear, caddy cars moved on, cards marked or inquest finished which allows him to clear all concerns about his shot, he will still be concerned about 'Murph's' however.

For me? I have every right to take my time on a shot as long as I am keeping my place on the course and God help anyone that drives up to/through me with the feeble excuse 'I did not think I could catch it that well' - My reply? 'Golf ball? Never saw it, heard a rustling in the bushes over there though!'

We have all hit a shot 'out of the screws' and this may only happen once a round BUT the one 'Murph' is pushing you to play could be the one! Very bad etiquette pressurising the game in front if they have nowhere to go!

 

[USER1999]

I am not pushing people round (as your post suggests, or encouraging dangerous play), however, I know two of the guys in front, and their absolute sunday best, hit out of the screws drive goes 200 yards, tops. They are both in their 70s, so it isn't like they are suddenly going to have a one off swing like Tiger, and flush one 300 plus. Out of range is exactly that, out of range.

I don't expect people to run round, or play dangerously, just maintain distance on the guys in front. If you think losing 3 holes on the lot in front (who weren't playing well either, so it wasn't like theuy were racing round) is ok, then you have a different view of the game to me.

3 times the same guy came back to the tee after losing his ball in the woods. Provisional? Nope, just hold the whole course up, much better idea. The guys further down the field will have been into 5 hour rounds, as this has a knock back effect on every one.

 

[TheKiwi]

Greetings chaps, newbie to the forum here! Be gentle with me!!

Personally, I am very fond of ladies but...!

I run 2 x haggles each week (Tuesday and Thursday) with around 50 and 75 blokes respectively. Our problem is that those are also the ladies days. Now they are supposed to tee off at 8.30 from 1 (there is usually only about a dozen of them) but they will insist on going out in 3s and starting from 1, 10 and 8. This means that by the time 1100 comes round and it's our tees, the ladies STILL haven't completed their first 9 holes and MAN do they complain when they have a gallery around them on the tee!

As for people "playing up" to where I am about to play, I found a very good cure - I return the ball to the offending player, with interest. They tend not to do it again.

 

[19th]

Murph, I was not referring to your situation as described above, only how players on the tee can put pressure on players up front to hit their ball up the back of the game in front. You know the format, you play your second shot to the green, watch it squeeze past the bunker, retrieve the duvet, walk forward four steps and BANG you hear the drive arrive at your back, it must have been hit as you turned on the power of the caddycar. You walk off the green and an approach shot lands behind you again hit before the caddycar is powered up.
You then wait for a couple of minutes on the tee till the fairway ahead clears and sigh!

This intimidation only happens if the player waiting to take their shot can be bullied by this 'push' from the back, as happens in my pals case and in my opinion is unfair.

This whole scenerio will then present itself at the following holes!!

Nobody getting any further on BUT a spoilt day on the golf course for someone like my pal, an innocent party, just the jam in a golfing sandwich due to golfing numpties!

 

[Region3]

Murph, I was not referring to your situation as described above, only how players on the tee can put pressure on players up front to hit their ball up the back of the game in front. You know the format, you play your second shot to the green, watch it squeeze past the bunker, retrieve the duvet, walk forward four steps and BANG you hear the drive arrive at your back, it must have been hit as you turned on the power of the caddycar. You walk off the green and an approach shot lands behind you again hit before the caddycar is powered up.
You then wait for a couple of minutes on the tee till the fairway ahead clears and sigh!

This intimidation only happens if the player waiting to take their shot can be bullied by this 'push' from the back, as happens in my pals case and in my opinion is unfair.

This whole scenerio will then present itself at the following holes!!

Nobody getting any further on BUT a spoilt day on the golf course for someone like my pal, an innocent party, just the jam in a golfing sandwich due to golfing numpties!

If you insist on taking bedding with you if you anticipate a slow game, may I suggest that a sleeping bag will be much easier to carry round