That quote just says it needs to have high ratings. It won't have high ratings unless it's relatively long. Perhaps I should have said 'artificially high ratings'.I don't think this is proving your point at all...
I think your point was that it is easier to lower your handicap on a long and difficult course: "If you really want to get your handicap down you need to join a club with very high course and slope ratings"
But then it turns out you were referring to a wide open, short 6000 yard courses with flat greens.
It’s the same net result at ours for the opposite reasons.
Just playing the me advocate! Didn’t high the issue is still your short game and not the fact it’s longer that’s the issue. You struggle on or around the greens at your course because of the undulations and slopes, yet you’ve acknowledged going to a course with basically flat greens you score the same or better. So whilst you’re still missing greens you can get away with having short comings in your chipping and green reading because the greens are easier.That quote just says it needs to have high ratings. It won't have high ratings unless it's relatively long. Perhaps I should have said 'artificially high ratings'.
Yes, but the underlying point is that difficult green complexes are undervalued in the course ratings. So course is rated much easier than it really is. I don't think I should be getting 3 more shots on a course that's only 500 yards longer but has vastly easier greens and much wider fairways, but that's how it is.Just playing the me advocate! Didn’t high the issue is still your short game and not the fact it’s longer that’s the issue. You struggle on or around the greens at your course because of the undulations and slopes, yet you’ve acknowledged going to a course with basically flat greens you score the same or better. So whilst you’re still missing greens you can get away with having short comings in your chipping and green reading because the greens are easier.
So has noting really in your case to do with length or CR but your own game, because the courses you’ve played aren’t significantly longer than your own track
It is club's responsibility to ensure the course is setup within the rules and guidance for handicapping whenever possible.
This is where I disagree. There has to be a priority in rating anything golf courses being no different. I may be wrong and one of our resident experts can correct me, but I was under the impression Yardage was highest priority, followed by greens size/contour etc and then you go down the lists of hazards, topography etc. If I’ve got that correct then I genuinely don’t believe they’re undervalued, something has to be top priority and makes sense for that to be length otherwise you wouldn’t have standard rating criteria if you changed it all the time.
I don’t think having fast greens at your home course is a big problem as you get used to them.
At our place we all tend to have the view that our greens are ridiculously hard to play consistent golf on.
Yeah that's fair, too many bad memories.
My golf game is the same no matter where I play though so I'm not sure how that can be a factor. I'll miss greens and have to chip on every course. Arguably that should make the longer course harder if anything, since I should miss more of the greens.This is where I disagree. There has to be a priority in rating anything golf courses being no different. I may be wrong and one of our resident experts can correct me, but I was under the impression Yardage was highest priority, followed by greens size/contour etc and then you go down the lists of hazards, topography etc. If I’ve got that correct then I genuinely don’t believe they’re undervalued, something has to be top priority and makes sense for that to be length otherwise you wouldn’t have standard rating criteria if you changed it all the time.
Ultimately it’s a standardised criteria, you’re not going to please everyone, if they change Priority to greens over length even more people would complain they lose shots they need as they can’t reach greens etc.
People often moan about things they can’t control and outside influences of a course rating is wrong, it’s easier for scratch players or vice versa. Yet they rarely take responsibility for the things they can control like realising they need to improve certain areas of their own games and putting the time in to do that instead of living in hope someone is going to change the rules to make it easier for them.
The course isn’t that much longer to make you miss many more greens but if the greens are flatter and you struggle on undulating greens then arguably it’s easier and that’s why you’re scoring better because you can get away with more average shots.Yeah that's fair, too many bad memories.
My golf game is the same no matter where I play though so I'm not sure how that can be a factor. I'll miss greens and have to chip on every course. Arguably that should make the longer course harder if anything, since I should miss more of the greens.
I'm not the only one with less than perfect short game though am I? Slope rating is meant to be how a bogey golfer fares against a scratch golfer (or something like that in layman's terms anyway). A lot of bogey golfers have poor short games. If the course is easier for people like me, with poor short games, then that slope rating should be brought down a bit.The course isn’t that much longer to make you miss many more greens but if the greens are flatter and you struggle on undulating greens then arguably it’s easier and that’s why you’re scoring better because you can get away with more average shots.
I totally get your point I just don’t agree
If your short game is below average for your handicap then it stands to reason another part of your game must be above average.
Of course you’re not. Im just using you as an example because you’re open and honest about it and commenting here. My point is just because you or others have a poor short game that doesn’t make the system for ratings or the course you’re
This is what I’m on about, clearly has decent long game to make up for shortfalls elsewhere. That in itself is commendable and shows having the potential to lower the handicap even further, but does mean having to be willing to put the same time and effort into the short game practice as they do for long game. The question then becomes how many times does that person go to the range and how long they spend hitting balls compared to how much they work on their short game. But that’s the trade off as club golfers with jobs and lives etc.
