What would you do in Richart's place?

[DCB]

Played in a foursomes KO and my partner played off too high a handicap. We were DQd and the opponents progressed to the next round.

 

[Screwback]

I personally think this is incorrect, it is a players responsibility to look after there handicap if you know you have played rounds that have changed your handicap you must play off the correct handicap....what if the Handicap secretary is on holiday for a fortnight and it does not get changed what then going by the drivvel on here you would continue playing off the wrong handicap til it was changed by the committee? Which would result in DQ from any comp!

On the other side of the coin what if he had been cut to three would you have said "no,no its fine al not take the extra shot???

 

[d2cko]

Why not leave it at the committees door, but as a compromise rather than see him kicked out ask if it can be replayed. If he beats Richart again then fair enough and if Richart prevails the guy hasn't really got any comeback as he's got a second chance he shouldn't really have anyway. Seems a win win

Is what I would do

Surely this would result in an agreement to waive the rules, resulting in both players being DQ.

I would inform him and the committee and I would expect them to have a little backbone and DQ him. To the people saying it would've had no effect on the match, I say how do you know? Richart has turned up expecting 6 shots and is now only getting 5, this may have had a mental effect on him causing him to play worse.

 

[bobmac]

going by the drivvel on here you would continue playing off the wrong handicap til it was changed by the committee? Which would result in DQ from any comp!

This is how I see it.
If you play well and you believe you will be chopped from 4.5 to 4.3, you must chop yourself and play off 4 until your are told otherwise.
If you play badly and believe you will go up from 4.3 to 4.5, you must still play off 4 until you are told otherwise.

Bottom line is...

you should be dq'd for playing off a higher handicap than you are entitled to.

You cannot be dq'd if you play off a lower h/cap than you are entitled too.

 

[Imurg]

Richart has turned up expecting 6 shots and is now only getting 5, this may have had a mental effect on him causing him to play worse.

So much more than you could possibly imagine....

 

[d2cko]

LOL.

Just looked at Richarts OP. It hasn't been establised if the results of the Open comp that the 4 hcp played in had been published yet. Surely if they had already been published and he had informed the hcp committee at his home club then all is well. If either of the above hasn't happened though then let us sharpen the pitchforks and light the torches.

Out of interest, who actually hands in scores from Open comps to their hcp committee? I do when I play well but not when I've played crap. It's a lot of hassle to go through to get 0.1 back. Infact, this week I have played 3 rounds in an Army comp all well over hcp and if I were to hand the cards in I would've been off 5 for our medal yesterday and maybe competed a bit better...

d2

 

[Screwback]

going by the drivvel on here you would continue playing off the wrong handicap til it was changed by the committee? Which would result in DQ from any comp!

This is how I see it.
If you play well and you believe you will be chopped from 4.5 to 4.3, you must chop yourself and play off 4 until your are told otherwise.
If you play badly and believe you will go up from 4.3 to 4.5, you must still play off 4 until you are told otherwise.

Bottom line is...

you should be dq'd for playing off a higher handicap than you are entitled to.

You cannot be dq'd if you play off a lower h/cap than you are entitled too.

But if he knows he is going up then surely he is entitled to pay off the handicap that his play dictates???

 

[jammydodger]

going by the drivvel on here you would continue playing off the wrong handicap til it was changed by the committee? Which would result in DQ from any comp!

This is how I see it.
If you play well and you believe you will be chopped from 4.5 to 4.3, you must chop yourself and play off 4 until your are told otherwise.
If you play badly and believe you will go up from 4.3 to 4.5, you must still play off 4 until you are told otherwise.

Bottom line is...

you should be dq'd for playing off a higher handicap than you are entitled to.

You cannot be dq'd if you play off a lower h/cap than you are entitled too.

But if he knows he is going up then surely he is entitled to pay off the handicap that his play dictates???

Do you not read all the posts ? What if the comp was reductions only ? You cant move your h/c back up without knowing the results and having them published , its not a hard concept to understand.

 

[Screwback]

going by the drivvel on here you would continue playing off the wrong handicap til it was changed by the committee? Which would result in DQ from any comp!

This is how I see it.
If you play well and you believe you will be chopped from 4.5 to 4.3, you must chop yourself and play off 4 until your are told otherwise.
If you play badly and believe you will go up from 4.3 to 4.5, you must still play off 4 until you are told otherwise.

Bottom line is...

you should be dq'd for playing off a higher handicap than you are entitled to.

You cannot be dq'd if you play off a lower h/cap than you are entitled too.

But if he knows he is going up then surely he is entitled to pay off the handicap that his play dictates???

Do you not read all the posts ? What if the comp was reductions only ? You cant move your h/c back up without knowing the results and having them published , its not a hard concept to understand.

Oh i very much understand the concept.

It is the responsibility of every golfer to ensure they play off the correct handicap.

And yes i have read it and at no point does the post say that the reslts where not pulished.

 

[palindromicbob]

going by the drivvel on here you would continue playing off the wrong handicap til it was changed by the committee? Which would result in DQ from any comp!

This is how I see it.
If you play well and you believe you will be chopped from 4.5 to 4.3, you must chop yourself and play off 4 until your are told otherwise.
If you play badly and believe you will go up from 4.3 to 4.5, you must still play off 4 until you are told otherwise.

Bottom line is...

you should be dq'd for playing off a higher handicap than you are entitled to.

You cannot be dq'd if you play off a lower h/cap than you are entitled too.

But if he knows he is going up then surely he is entitled to pay off the handicap that his play dictates???

If that's the case I'll up myself to 28 now

 

[rosecott]

LOL.

Just looked at Richarts OP. It hasn't been establised if the results of the Open comp that the 4 hcp played in had been published yet. Surely if they had already been published and he had informed the hcp committee at his home club then all is well. If either of the above hasn't happened though then let us sharpen the pitchforks and light the torches.

Out of interest, who actually hands in scores from Open comps to their hcp committee? I do when I play well but not when I've played crap. It's a lot of hassle to go through to get 0.1 back. Infact, this week I have played 3 rounds in an Army comp all well over hcp and if I were to hand the cards in I would've been off 5 for our medal yesterday and maybe competed a bit better...

d2

Players have a responsibility to report all qualifying scores played away from the Home Club - not just the ones you want reporting.

 

[Tommo21]

LOL.

Just looked at Richarts OP. It hasn't been establised if the results of the Open comp that the 4 hcp played in had been published yet. Surely if they had already been published and he had informed the hcp committee at his home club then all is well. If either of the above hasn't happened though then let us sharpen the pitchforks and light the torches.

Out of interest, who actually hands in scores from Open comps to their hcp committee? I do when I play well but not when I've played crap. It's a lot of hassle to go through to get 0.1 back. Infact, this week I have played 3 rounds in an Army comp all well over hcp and if I were to hand the cards in I would've been off 5 for our medal yesterday and maybe competed a bit better...

d2

Never thought I would read this. Your HC is false if you dont put in all your away scores, high or low. If you want to kid yourself that you're off 4 when it's really 5 then fire away. I've had a look at my away scores and if I take my bad ones out I would be playing off 4. Dont these poor away scores go to your home club?

 

[d2cko]

LOL.

Just looked at Richarts OP. It hasn't been establised if the results of the Open comp that the 4 hcp played in had been published yet. Surely if they had already been published and he had informed the hcp committee at his home club then all is well. If either of the above hasn't happened though then let us sharpen the pitchforks and light the torches.

Out of interest, who actually hands in scores from Open comps to their hcp committee? I do when I play well but not when I've played crap. It's a lot of hassle to go through to get 0.1 back. Infact, this week I have played 3 rounds in an Army comp all well over hcp and if I were to hand the cards in I would've been off 5 for our medal yesterday and maybe competed a bit better...

d2

Never thought I would read this. Your HC is false if you dont put in all your away scores, high or low. If you want to kid yourself that you're off 4 when it's really 5 then fire away. I've had a look at my away scores and if I take my bad ones out I would be playing off 4. Dont these poor away scores go to your home club?

I think your kidding yourself if you think that I'm the only person to have ever failed to hand in a card from an away comp. I would imagine that it's actually very rare for golfers to hand in their cards from other comps. Good or bad.

 

[Tommo21]

No,I'm not kidding myself, I dont know any player that does what you do...maybe you do. Why bother putting in your good scores while omitting your poor scores, other than to have a false HC....thats what it is.

If others do it then they have false HCs as well.

 

[d2cko]

Well all I can say is well done to you and all your golfing friends. But I think it's unrealistic to expect every golfer playing away in an Open or whatever to get a printout of the result sheet with CSS and then hand it in to their hcp secretary, and then for that hcp secretary to action all those. Ours seems to struggle with club comps, let alone an influx of all the other comps that our membership play in.

 

[Tommo21]

Thats a bit of a red herring, is it not. The fact is you dont hand in your poor away scores, but you do your good ones.

Because, as you say, others do it or the HC sec cant handle it, is irrelevant.

 

[d2cko]

yep that's a fair one. But I'm not going to change it's a lot of effort for me to get the cards and CSS sheets from some of these comps and I'm not going to do it so I can get 0.1 back. I'm lazy!

Maybe there is a good argument for a central hcp system where you don't have to make the player do all the donkey work. The EGU currently give out EGU swipe cards to all golfers who want one but how about making these compulsary(?) to all golfers and when you enter a Open comp, the hosting club swipes you in and your hcp is adjusted automatically by an online system....

 

[Tommo21]

yep that's a fair one. But I'm not going to change it's a lot of effort for me to get the cards and CSS sheets from some of these comps and I'm not going to do it so I can get 0.1 back. I'm lazy!

Maybe there is a good argument for a central hcp system where you don't have to make the player do all the donkey work. The EGU currently give out EGU swipe cards to all golfers who want one but how about making these compulsary(?) to all golfers and when you enter a Open comp, the hosting club swipes you in and your hcp is adjusted automatically by an online system....

Fair play saying your not going to do it but your breaking the rules, a simple rule, and your HC is not true if thats what you're doing. I dont see any issue with getting away score info to my club sec. I check out the away club web site or phone to find out the css sss par. It's easier than entering the comp in the first place.

 

[DCB]

I dont see any issue with getting away score info to my club sec. I check out the away club web site or phone to find out the css sss par. It's easier than entering the comp in the first place.

Agree completely Tommo, a phone call is all it takes. I've had Juniors who are playing 3 or 4 opens in a week during the holidays and we have been able to keep on top of their away scores by making a simple phone call if the full results aren't on the web somewhere. It's what MUST be done to keep a players playing record and handicap correct.

 

[d2cko]

Your obviously all right. But I'm right too, there is no way that I am the only golfer to do this. Infact I bet that the guys playing by the rules are in the minority in this situation.

But if it makes you feel better, next year I'll make every effort to get all my away scores in. I'm done golfing til May next year now so no doubt I'll be flying back up to 5 when I get back in to it.