Jumboross
Club Champion
I can recommend i20s highly. They don't look like shovels and they are very forgiving on off centre hits.
Well, what do you think
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chrisd
Major Champion
Cheers Jumbo, I might give them a try, equally I might just stick with the AP's
richart
Major Champion
Like a very wise man said earlier.
Oh and I think it is 104 months.:ears:
chrisd
Major Champion
LanDog
Journeyman Pro
A club change may help, even though your clubs are relatively new, there have still been advancements in club design, to make 'players' clubs more forgiving there's no doubt for me. So if you look at it that way you could get a more forgiving club but at the same time not lose the workability of your current AP2s.
Something like the i20s could be ideal for that because they are extremely forgiving for the market they are appealing to
Something like the i20s could be ideal for that because they are extremely forgiving for the market they are appealing to
mcbroon
Journeyman Pro
Hawkeye is right. If you can play to 10 with AP2s then you can play in single figures with AP2s.
I play AP2s, started the year at 11.8, finished it at 7.8. Had a lesson in Feb and stuck with that swing. All I practised after that was short game. That'll save you more shots than new irons.
chrisd
Major Champion
That's great going Mac and all credit to you.
I know that the AP's will get me there and all my practice is pretty much short game now, but, the theory is that I hit a few poor shots in most rounds and a while back changed from a Titleist driver to a Ping G15 because it was just so much easier to hit and I made more fairways and I was wondering whether a change to an easier iron set would do the same.
Fader
Tour Winner
Think you have to go with what you feel to be right Chris. There's a snobbery in golf that when we hit a certain level we shouldn't be using GI clubs, I'm not saying the forum is that way but there will be some that think that.
I know some very good players that still use GI clubs for the confidence they give knowing they are that bit more forgiving. My dad has in fact switched clubs from Wilson FG Tour a lovely players club, to using Mizuno EZ irons and he plays off 6 whereas with the Wilsons he got stuck at 9. By no means whatsoever was it the clubs that shaved off 3 shots and he knows that, what did was the fact he had confidence knowing his misses would be better due to the more forgiving nature of them on mi*****. That fact alone meant when he did miss a green he his miss wasn't as bad as it was with the FG Tours.
He still had to work on the short game obviously but a the fact his misses were a lot tighter in dispersion meant he went into each shot with confidence and its that mental factor of the irons that aided him in the handicap reduction.
Just thought I'd throw that out there as a different point of view from the majority, games hard enough and mentally damaging enough as it ease so anything to take the pain away or make it that bit easier even if that's only in our own minds has to be beneficial.
I know some very good players that still use GI clubs for the confidence they give knowing they are that bit more forgiving. My dad has in fact switched clubs from Wilson FG Tour a lovely players club, to using Mizuno EZ irons and he plays off 6 whereas with the Wilsons he got stuck at 9. By no means whatsoever was it the clubs that shaved off 3 shots and he knows that, what did was the fact he had confidence knowing his misses would be better due to the more forgiving nature of them on mi*****. That fact alone meant when he did miss a green he his miss wasn't as bad as it was with the FG Tours.
He still had to work on the short game obviously but a the fact his misses were a lot tighter in dispersion meant he went into each shot with confidence and its that mental factor of the irons that aided him in the handicap reduction.
Just thought I'd throw that out there as a different point of view from the majority, games hard enough and mentally damaging enough as it ease so anything to take the pain away or make it that bit easier even if that's only in our own minds has to be beneficial.
Wilf
Club Champion
As with all things golf it comes down to what is going on between your ears rather than just logic. Normal logic would dictate that you use the easiest to hit club possible which gives the maximum possible assistance to your game helping to reduce the negative impacts of swing inconsistencies.
However if I do not like the look of the club at address, then regardless of how forgiving it is I cannot hit it as consistently well as a less forgiving club that I do like the look of. Whether the actual results are much different the feel and therefore impression I get is I hit worse shots.
If you wanted two case studies Homer went with the logically sound choice of G25's but judging from his posts on them suffered similar to what I have just described above and went back to TP's. Mark Crossfield switched to JPX / EZ's from MP's for more forgiveness and has stayed with them. The difference here being on all his video threads he says he really likes the looks of the EZ's and is happy using them. Interestingly though when he reviews player clubs (MP54's, 714 CB's) he is always tempted to go back to this type of club but with tweaked lofts to get similar distances. Mark though had identified a issue in his iron play that switching clubs addressed. Do you feel you have an issue or are you just attempting to apply logic to golf!
The other option is there a middle ground between the AP2's to the G25's which are a little easier than the Aps'2 whilst maintaining a more classic look than the G25's?
However if I do not like the look of the club at address, then regardless of how forgiving it is I cannot hit it as consistently well as a less forgiving club that I do like the look of. Whether the actual results are much different the feel and therefore impression I get is I hit worse shots.
If you wanted two case studies Homer went with the logically sound choice of G25's but judging from his posts on them suffered similar to what I have just described above and went back to TP's. Mark Crossfield switched to JPX / EZ's from MP's for more forgiveness and has stayed with them. The difference here being on all his video threads he says he really likes the looks of the EZ's and is happy using them. Interestingly though when he reviews player clubs (MP54's, 714 CB's) he is always tempted to go back to this type of club but with tweaked lofts to get similar distances. Mark though had identified a issue in his iron play that switching clubs addressed. Do you feel you have an issue or are you just attempting to apply logic to golf!
The other option is there a middle ground between the AP2's to the G25's which are a little easier than the Aps'2 whilst maintaining a more classic look than the G25's?
You got to 9.9 playing well, and you will have shot below 10 to get there. If you change you will get a short honeymoon period with the G25's then you'll struggle for a wee while until you truly learn to believe in them... seriously, I'd stick with the AP2's.
I went through a similar dilemna early in the summer - i20's were siren singing to me. I stuck with the 712cb's... best thing I've done for a long time.
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guest100718
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If you want some nice new kit then go for it, but no new set is going to knock 3 shots a round off.
moogie
Tour Winner
As has been said by many others
U obviously have a decent game to reach current level
My only question would be, about the AP2 irons, is, u say u hit some bad shots......is this throughout the set.....??......or for example with the Longer irons......??
If the latter.......Have u considered just adding some AP1 irons at the Top End of the bag......??
If this is NOT the case, then I wouldnt worry too much as EVERYBODY is capable of hitting bad shots, some more so than others
U obviously have a decent game to reach current level
My only question would be, about the AP2 irons, is, u say u hit some bad shots......is this throughout the set.....??......or for example with the Longer irons......??
If the latter.......Have u considered just adding some AP1 irons at the Top End of the bag......??
If this is NOT the case, then I wouldnt worry too much as EVERYBODY is capable of hitting bad shots, some more so than others
D
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Do whatever makes you feel comfortable and confident
A new set of irons could make you feel a lot better when playing and then the scoring will improve but I wouldn't go from AP2's to G25's - would look towards the I range instead
A new set of irons could make you feel a lot better when playing and then the scoring will improve but I wouldn't go from AP2's to G25's - would look towards the I range instead
kid2
Money List Winner
Id echo this Chris....... Im down to 9 since the season finish.... i dont think that theres one magic iron that will save you 3 or 4 shots a round..... If they did everyone would be playing them...... Short game is what will get us down a bit more i think...... We Will miss greens and when we do thats where you'll drop or pick up shots....Like has been said to get to our handicap we have to be able to hit the ball with some bit of proficiency.....
I dont think that changing to a different iron is the magic fix.......I was also tempted to change but to be honest looking back....All of my good rounds and there were more than average rounds last season came with my current Bag of clubs....... If they are not working properly its the gobshite on the end swinging them thats the cause of dropped shots...Not the clubs ....... HTH.....:thup:
chrisd
Major Champion
Could I make changes there then?
chrisd
Major Champion
I don't disagree there Phil. I was at the range today and hit some i20. Shots pretty well but then, as you'd expect after asking the question, I was buttoning the AP's
Oh well!
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Have you considered spending the money upgrading yourself. You've obviously got a few new bits in there already, dropping your average age down, but you could get a lower average age by replacing more bits. I'd suggest looking down stairs. A decent enhancement there might get you round without having to stop for some relief, and thus you'll hit your younger mans clubs better through the 4 hour period you're on the course, rather than going for some older mans clubs that need frequent stops.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Perhaps a stiffer shaft maybe...
Or a g clamp?
chrisd
Major Champion
Factoring all the replacement parts I'm now younger than you grandad!
Perhaps a stiffer shaft maybe...
Just looking to re grip it at the moment!
