Pin-seeker
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But one won a trophy,competed in the CL & qualified for next seasons CL. Different ways of looking at things.
Well done Wenger
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But one won a trophy,competed in the CL & qualified for next seasons CL. Different ways of looking at things.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
Ha! Never heard 2nd referred to as first loser before
So automatic qualification for the Champions League, extra broadcasting revenue plus actually having contended for the title.
Would you say there was also sod all difference between a side finishing 8th and a side finishing 17th?
jp5
Q-School Graduate
Not saying that Arsenal haven't had a successful season, I was comparing Arsenal's league campaign to that of Liverpool.
For Arsenal to have led the league for the majority of the season and then capitulate at the business end was very disappointing for a club and manager of such stature.
Not sure I agree about competing in the CL, I wouldn't class an annual repeat of scraping through the group stages before an inevitable Last 16 exit truly competing. I'd sacrifice the Champions League for a genuine run at the title.
Pin-seeker
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Ha! Never heard 2nd referred to as first loser before
So automatic qualification for the Champions League, extra broadcasting revenue plus actually having contended for the title.
Would you say there was also sod all difference between a side finishing 8th and a side finishing 17th?
I maybe wrong but I believe Arsenal occupied top spot the most this season. But it only matters who's top after the last game.
Is it really that impressive for one of the biggest clubs in the world to finish 2nd?
Foxholer
Blackballed
No.
Pin-seeker
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Think you'll find Liverpool blew it at the business end. Arsenal blew it before that:thup:
whilst I fully agree the Rodgers deserved the manager of year title. I think the reason Liverpool missed out on the title was for the exact reason that when it counted he got the tactics wrong. He's young though and was his first title challenge, hopefully he will learn.
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
Can't see how you can realistically compare a manager who has delivered many good seasons for his club against one who has produced just only one good year to date...
Foxholer
Blackballed
I agree with 1 of the points. But the other 2 are rubbish imo.
NWJocko
Tour Winner
Yep, one of the sides won a trophy!!
The attitude of some Liverpool fans after one good season in the league is quite amusing.
I have no idea how winning the FA Cup could ever be described as a "bad thing"!!!?
MarkA
Head Pro
As a Man U fan i would say be very careful what you wish for!
Can you really say the FA cup and CL qualification is failure.
To the Liverpool fans your Manager lost it through his inexperience ( If i was really vindictive I could say Stevie G lost it for you!)- his tactics against Chelsea were wrong. And at the end of the day Arsenal have a trophy Liverpool don't!
Football is big business these days and you can't scrap a successful business model without good cause, a single game or goal can effect a season - changing the manager is a big thing as we found out this year - Arsenal fans who want him out should think carefully who they would replace him with and whether they could guarantee what they have already ! The answer to that is no. A new manager would want to spend spend and has Arsenal got those kind of resources?
So Well done Wenger, it took a while but you got there!
Can you really say the FA cup and CL qualification is failure.
To the Liverpool fans your Manager lost it through his inexperience ( If i was really vindictive I could say Stevie G lost it for you!)- his tactics against Chelsea were wrong. And at the end of the day Arsenal have a trophy Liverpool don't!
Football is big business these days and you can't scrap a successful business model without good cause, a single game or goal can effect a season - changing the manager is a big thing as we found out this year - Arsenal fans who want him out should think carefully who they would replace him with and whether they could guarantee what they have already ! The answer to that is no. A new manager would want to spend spend and has Arsenal got those kind of resources?
So Well done Wenger, it took a while but you got there!
Is the FA Cup still seen as an achievement?
Genuine question.
I had no idea it was actually on yesterday until I seen the result. I had the same experience with the Europa Cup Final on Thursday night.
Genuine question.
I had no idea it was actually on yesterday until I seen the result. I had the same experience with the Europa Cup Final on Thursday night.
Foxholer
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Ranks at about the same level as my Bale for England blunder! EC is forgiveable as no British interest for some time!
Yes FA Cup is still rated - at least until your own team goes out
Rather downgraded though what with Champions League being THE main aim. ManU (understandably) preferring to play World Club Finals was a noticeable shift. Still watched by huge overseas audience!
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What attitude ?
The FA Cup is a KO comp - it's irrelevant to the league. It's great to win a cup , it gives the fans something to celebrate after ten years of nothing. But it shouldn't paper over the obvious cracks in the Arsenal team - 10 years ago Arsenal went unbeaten in the league with a team full of stars , have they progressed in those ten years ? I would suggest they have gone backwards.
Look at their results against the others in the top 4 - they got a proper canning a number of times by the other top teams and they do need a lot of work - the reason why I say it "could be a bad thing" is winning the KO Cup could make some ignore the problems in the league. So much promise in the club but it's held back by the team on the pitch.
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It is still an achievement but don't think it is as highly regarded as it used to be - domestic KO's have taken a step back as the CL has grown.
Ranks at about the same level as my Bale for England blunder! EC is forgiveable as no British interest for some time!
Yes FA Cup is still rated - at least until your own team goes out
Rather downgraded though what with Champions League being THE main aim. ManU (understandably) preferring to play World Club Finals was a noticeable shift. Still watched by huge overseas audience!
Really? Having no idea that a cup that I have no interest in had its final yesterday and I had no idea it was on ranks the same as thinking the best Welsh footballer in a generation is English.
Puzzling.
Lu thibk the attitude referee to is that all of a sudden, some fans are deriding or at least questioning other teams season and status. Having had their (Liverpool's) best season in quite some time.
i agree that arsenal haven't improved in the timescale that you mention, how they improve on invincibles is difficult though. Win every game all season?
I can't recall all the big teams line ups, but I was gutted we played a weakend team at what at the time was a shocking Sunderland. FA cup for me is still the most prestigious comp in England. Mainly as saints have at least a slight chance at it. I would imagine that teams like Everton n spurs would go full tilt at it too. Winers get Europa and Europa winners get champs league next year. So surely that's a carrot?
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
My god, is it possible to have even one football conversation on here without Liverpool being dragged into it? Why the obsession?
This is a post on Arsene Wenger. I know football posts will always move about, but what has it to do with Liverpool?
Congratulations on winning the FA cup, a massive monkey off his back. Is he holding Arsenal back, or will he finally buy a Mascherano-like player and some good centre halves, and even 1-2 forwards? If he does and he wins future trophies, fair enough.
If he doesnt in the next 2-3 years, and they just keep finishing 3rd/4th and dont add to the trophies tally, he is just doing a more inflated version of what Newcastle's ambitions are (winning the financial security trophy).
Which one do you think will happen?
This is a post on Arsene Wenger. I know football posts will always move about, but what has it to do with Liverpool?
Congratulations on winning the FA cup, a massive monkey off his back. Is he holding Arsenal back, or will he finally buy a Mascherano-like player and some good centre halves, and even 1-2 forwards? If he does and he wins future trophies, fair enough.
If he doesnt in the next 2-3 years, and they just keep finishing 3rd/4th and dont add to the trophies tally, he is just doing a more inflated version of what Newcastle's ambitions are (winning the financial security trophy).
Which one do you think will happen?
