Urgent Statement from PM today
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Hacker Khan
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Not for the 1st time in this thread you seem to have got the wrong end of the stick.
I was bemoaning the speed that education policy changes now within the same party. This then makes it extremely difficult to make any long term plans about the future of schools and as a chair, do what you think is in the best interests of the kids. The more I see of the DFE, multi academy trusts and the quality of the secretary of states for education the more disillusioned I get about if they really care about the future of the pupils or their own personal agendas and careers.
When Blair then Brown was in power, whilst there were still ideological issues at play, state schools were funded relatively well which allowed teachers to get on with their jobs. That is not the case now. But I have also been pretty clear that Labour's current education policy is a bit of a shambles and do not really see them coming to power as the answer to the state education is in.
If you have a good read about David Blunkett's performance as Ed Sec, and the flip flopping that went on then you would have a very different perspective of how the Dept for Education shifted course more times than a Spanish galleon under Labour.
NWJocko
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PhilTheFragger
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You didn't mention the BBC , I did
The make up of the organisation you were describing sounds similar to the BBC trust, which has been criticised in the past.
Just making the point that it might be more complicated than it seems👍
The make up of the organisation you were describing sounds similar to the BBC trust, which has been criticised in the past.
Just making the point that it might be more complicated than it seems👍
NWJocko
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I don't expect it to be simple but because something is complicated shouldn't mean it isn't looked at and/or implemented for the greater good IMO.
Having some form of working body with a view beyond the (max) 5 year parliamentary term for Education and Healthcare etc would be better than having, potentially, a sea change in direction depending on the government of the day for me.
If the board/trust who are responsible from the BBC have made mistakes then learn from them :thup:
SocketRocket
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I didnt get the wrong end of the stick. You suggested that once the change of government between Labour and the Tories introduced a form of stability and now that was lost due to their only being Tories. I pointed out that Labour had previously had a long run in Government and such calls were not made then.
bobmac
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If only we had an extra £350m a week to spend on the NHS, education, Armed forces etc
FairwayDodger
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We'll soon be living in a land of milk and honey without Johnny Foreigner telling us how to do things.
bobmac
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Sign me up :thup:
SocketRocket
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And me but could I swap out the Milk and Honey for Steak and Chips please.
Reemul
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Well I live in Dorset and voted Tory for the first time at the last election. I am going back to Lib Dem. No vote for labour round here but I think we need to rethink things and while Corbyn seems useless I worry for 5 years of Tory rule with poor opposition and a large majority.
I was up for some austerity but worry the way the NHS and Education is going and don't think another 5 years of cutbacks is going to help added to leaving the EU.
Tough times ahead
I was up for some austerity but worry the way the NHS and Education is going and don't think another 5 years of cutbacks is going to help added to leaving the EU.
Tough times ahead
The austerity thing is an issue I do feel needs further explanation to the electorate. My questions are around the "what would the state of our finances have been if we hadn't had it? Would we have been another Greece/Spain/Portugal basket case? Equally, if we'd carried on down the route of spending our way out of the financial crash would it have been better? Are there elements of public spending that need ring fencing, e.g. a triple lock on NHS/benefits spending?
My gut feel, which isn't reliable data, is that both the Tories and Labour have got it wrong... but where do we go if they have?
Austerity - I believe the debt is now bigger than it was before. Selective cut backs that failed to solve the debt problem.
ColchesterFC
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I'm sure I read somewhere that this Tory government has borrowed more than all previous Labour governments combined. No idea if that is accurate but it's a scary thought if it is right. But at least the deficit is getting smaller.
Doon frae Troon
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Nearly doubled since Cameron came to power with the Tories.
Really seems to be working this austerity thing Eh.
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
Equates to £51,000+ debt for every taxpayer
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To reduce the yearly borrowing, then you have to do, one of two things or both :-
1) Raise more revenue (aka partly known as tax)
2) Reduce what you spend (aka partly known as austerity)
So which is it and how much are you going to pay to put right your personal percentage that you have not paid over the last few years? Sadly you can not have everything you want in this world or is there a magic wand
Old Skier
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Still thinking of voting Labour? Try refreshing your memory first:
A Few Facts about Labour....
1) Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Government. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).
2) Hundreds of stealth taxes, paid by all.
3) Between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose 133% and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices again?.
4) The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions: The tax grab has cost workers £118bn no since 1997. (Office for Budget Responsibility).
5) Labour spent £148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.
6) The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.
7) Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).
8) In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.
9) £660 million has been cut from Labour run NHS Wales over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.
10) When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than £190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over £1bn per year.
11) Labour wasted £11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.
12) Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - £50 billion worth of loans which are costing £300 billion in repayments.
13) It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.
14) Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.
15) Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.
16) In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by £14 million.
17) Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.
18) Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.
19) British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.
20) Labour left a deficit of £156 billion, PFI liability of £301 billion, EU Rebate loss £9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss £6 billion.
21) The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.
22)
The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).
23) When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.
24) Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.
25) Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK £9.3 billion between 2007-2013.
26) In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.
27) Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.
28) Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.
29) Under Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.
30) Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.
31) Labour wants to charge patients. Lord Warner said people should pay a £10-a-month fee to use NHS/£20 for every night they stay in hospital.
32) Sexed up dossiers.
33) Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them.
34) Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began.
35) Labour destroyed our border controls then with the help of the BBC denounced anybody who voiced concerns about mass immigration as racists.
36) Labour councils are the biggest users of zero hour contracts.
37) Under Labour between 1997 to 2010 the gap between rich and poor got wider.
38) The last Labour government doubled the rate of income tax on the lowest paid.
39) Thousands of dead Iraqi women and children.
40) Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed).
41) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us.
42) Labour opposes democracy in Britain by denying the British people a referendum on EU membership.
43) Labour Party Manifesto Pledge 2001: 'We will not introduce top-up fees'. It did.
44) One of the reasons for high energy prices is EU driven 'Green Taxes' brought in by the last Labour government.
45) It was Labour under Blair who handed control of British food regulation to the EU, (Regulation EC no 178/2002).
46) Remember when Tony Blair and Labour essentially traded guns for access to oil with Libya.
47) The Labour Party paid only £14,000 in tax in 2013, on total income of £33.3 million. (The Spectator, 30/07/
48) A systematic Anti Semitism that runs rife throughout the Party.
49) Weapons of mass distraction.
50) Rotherham 1400 plus girls known to be groomed by Muslims & covered up by the council & police & left to continue for years.
But it's all the Tory Party's fault.
A Few Facts about Labour....
1) Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Government. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).
2) Hundreds of stealth taxes, paid by all.
3) Between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose 133% and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices again?.
4) The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions: The tax grab has cost workers £118bn no since 1997. (Office for Budget Responsibility).
5) Labour spent £148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.
6) The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.
7) Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).
8) In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.
9) £660 million has been cut from Labour run NHS Wales over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.
10) When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than £190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over £1bn per year.
11) Labour wasted £11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.
12) Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - £50 billion worth of loans which are costing £300 billion in repayments.
13) It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.
14) Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.
15) Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.
16) In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by £14 million.
17) Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.
18) Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.
19) British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.
20) Labour left a deficit of £156 billion, PFI liability of £301 billion, EU Rebate loss £9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss £6 billion.
21) The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.
22)
The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).
23) When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.
24) Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.
25) Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK £9.3 billion between 2007-2013.
26) In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.
27) Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.
28) Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.
29) Under Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.
30) Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.
31) Labour wants to charge patients. Lord Warner said people should pay a £10-a-month fee to use NHS/£20 for every night they stay in hospital.
32) Sexed up dossiers.
33) Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them.
34) Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began.
35) Labour destroyed our border controls then with the help of the BBC denounced anybody who voiced concerns about mass immigration as racists.
36) Labour councils are the biggest users of zero hour contracts.
37) Under Labour between 1997 to 2010 the gap between rich and poor got wider.
38) The last Labour government doubled the rate of income tax on the lowest paid.
39) Thousands of dead Iraqi women and children.
40) Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed).
41) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us.
42) Labour opposes democracy in Britain by denying the British people a referendum on EU membership.
43) Labour Party Manifesto Pledge 2001: 'We will not introduce top-up fees'. It did.
44) One of the reasons for high energy prices is EU driven 'Green Taxes' brought in by the last Labour government.
45) It was Labour under Blair who handed control of British food regulation to the EU, (Regulation EC no 178/2002).
46) Remember when Tony Blair and Labour essentially traded guns for access to oil with Libya.
47) The Labour Party paid only £14,000 in tax in 2013, on total income of £33.3 million. (The Spectator, 30/07/
48) A systematic Anti Semitism that runs rife throughout the Party.
49) Weapons of mass distraction.
50) Rotherham 1400 plus girls known to be groomed by Muslims & covered up by the council & police & left to continue for years.
But it's all the Tory Party's fault.
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Im pretty sure you can see a list just as bad that will be assigned to the Tory Party - they are no better than Labour and both parties and their supporters will sit there pointing the finger of blame at each other when the truth is both are to blame for the issues our country has faced over the last 40 plus years.
They only get into government because there is no one credible to challenge the pair of them - Lib Dems ruined their chances for life after they got lumbered with all the issues after the coalition
Shame for the UK that we have to chose between two corrupt pathetic political parties that are only ever going to look after themselves and their own interests - none of them give two hoots about the UK and the majority of it's residents
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Labour Party top 50 achievements since being elected in 1997 - Published 2010
1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
11. 85,000 more nurses.
12. 32,000 more doctors.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
19. Restored city-wide government to London.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
43. Free eye test for over 60s.
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.
Just to provide a bit of balance :thup:
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