Unplayable Lie - Options

[drdel]

As a player can declare a ball unplayable at anytime under 27_1a and take 'stroke and distance' where's the problem?
It would however mean that the second ball is immediately in play and the first ball is now defunct.

 

[duncan mackie]

As a player can declare a ball unplayable at anytime under 27_1a and take 'stroke and distance' where's the problem?
It would however mean that the second ball is immediately in play and the first ball is now defunct.

If you want to proceed under stroke and distance the do so - if you choose to play a provisional that's also fine.

You can't mix to two - your second ball, as you refer to it, if played as a provisional ceases to exist when the original is found in bounds....so you go back to where you played your previous shot and play again.

Simples.

 

[drdel]

If you want to proceed under stroke and distance the do so - if you choose to play a provisional that's also fine.

You can't mix to two - your second ball, as you refer to it, if played as a provisional ceases to exist when the original is found in bounds....so you go back to where you played your previous shot and play again.

Simples.

I'm not mixing anything D_M! The qualifying statement in my last paragraph is merely pointing out that having made the decision to declare a ball unplayable means you no longer have the option to change your mind In fact there is no choice of doing anything with the ball declared unplayable i.e. the ball hit with the second shot is the ball in play.

 

[rulefan]

As a player can declare a ball unplayable at anytime under 27_1a and take 'stroke and distance' where's the problem?
It would however mean that the second ball is immediately in play and the first ball is now defunct.

Simply deeming the ball unplayable does not take it out of play. Of course he does not have to 'declare' it so.

It is only when he puts another ball into play that his first is out of play. This is either by placing or dropping it on the teeing ground (if appropriate) or by dropping it if the original stroke was from elsewhere.

 

[duncan mackie]

I'm not mixing anything D_M! The qualifying statement in my last paragraph is merely pointing out that having made the decision to declare a ball unplayable means you no longer have the option to change your mind In fact there is no choice of doing anything with the ball declared unplayable i.e. the ball hit with the second shot is the ball in play.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make then.

What second ball are you talking about?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

My tee shot looks horrid and as a result I play a provisional, I have a look for my first but can't find it - MUST my provisional become my ball in play or can I choose to go back to tee and put another ball in play?

 

[Colin L]

My tee shot looks horrid and as a result I play a provisional, I have a look for my first but can't find it - MUST my provisional become my ball in play or can I choose to go back to tee and put another ball in play?

You would have to be careful with your timings. If you put another ball in play from the tee within 5 minutes of starting your search for your original ball, it is substituted for the original ball because the original is still in play. That would be your 3rd stroke. If 5 minutes of searching have elapsed, your original ball is lost and the ball you then play for the tee is substituted for your provisional ball. That would be your 5th stroke.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You would have to be careful with your timings. If you put another ball in play from the tee within 5 minutes of starting your search for your original ball, it is substituted for the original ball because the original is still in play. That would be your 3rd stroke. If 5 minutes of searching have elapsed, your original ball is lost and the ball you then play for the tee is substituted for your provisional ball. That would be your 5th stroke.

Ok - my provisional wasn't too hot either - but I walk off the tee to go look for my ball. As I approach where first ball is likely to be I can decide if within 5mins - to go back to the tee and put a new ball in play - playing three off the tee - ignoring the provisional I had played?

 

[rulefan]

Playing the third ball renders your provisional lost. You would lie 5 unless you found the original within 5 minutes.
See
http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-27,d27-2a-4

 

[Colin L]

Ok - my provisional wasn't too hot either - but I walk off the tee to go look for my ball. As I approach where first ball is likely to be I can decide if within 5mins - to go back to the tee and put a new ball in play - playing three off the tee - ignoring the provisional I had played?

Oops. That was careless of me. I had misgivings about what I'd said as soon as I thought, wait a minute, if I put a provisional ball into the rubbish I can't just say ok I'm now playing a ball under stroke and distance and only counting 3. Too late though to delete the nonsense before the mistake was picked up.

 

[woody69]

Oops. That was careless of me. I had misgivings about what I'd said as soon as I thought, wait a minute, if I put a provisional ball into the rubbish I can't just say ok I'm now playing a ball under stroke and distance and only counting 3. Too late though to delete the nonsense before the mistake was picked up.

50 lashings and 7 hail marys or you sir.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

50 lashings and 7 hail marys or you sir.

Yes - I thought it a bit curious if I had been able to do that. Your provisional is in fact your S&D new ball in play, played for expediency.

 

[Colin L]

50 lashings and 7 hail marys or you sir.

Jeez, that's harsh.

I plead for clemency on the grounds of incapacity brought on by the lateness of the hour and quite a number of glasses of red wine (an excuse which Rulefan may well recognise ).

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Jeez, that's harsh.

I plead for clemency on the grounds of incapacity brought on by the lateness of the hour and quite a number of glasses of red wine (an excuse which Rulefan may well recognise ).

Is a Hale Mary some form of dangerous cocktail?

 

[rulefan]

Jeez, that's harsh.

I plead for clemency on the grounds of incapacity brought on by the lateness of the hour and quite a number of glasses of red wine (an excuse which Rulefan may well recognise ).

Are you accusing me of being as inebriate as you?
Although I probably would be at this time of the evening. But not today - I'm in the middle of 3 days refereeing starts at 7.0am.

 

[Colin L]

Inebriate - a great word. No accusations, just a recognition that I'm not alone in having made a blooper in a forum following a modest libation or three.

 

[Tarkus1212]

Not if they have declared it lost you can't.

Not having a go at you Bunkermagnet but I must have this discussion with fellow golfers at least 3 or 4 times a year. And I'm not necessarily talking about players who are new to the game, there are an awful lot of golfers who have been playing the game for many, many years who believe that you can declare a ball lost.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not having a go at you Bunkermagnet but I must have this discussion with fellow golfers at least 3 or 4 times a year. And I'm not necessarily talking about players who are new to the game, there are an awful lot of golfers who have been playing the game for many, many years who believe that you can declare a ball lost.

Well you can - but as a statement it has absolutely no standing or meaning under the rules

 

[woody69]

Well you can - but as a statement it has absolutely no standing or meaning under the rules

Indeed, like me declaring myself King of the world!

 

[Colin L]

Or my saying I never make a mistake with the Rules.