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UKIP a change on the political horizon or not.

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Ethan said:
You, sir, are precisely the sort of person UKIP is targeting.

I can just see the new slogan "UKIP - the party for people whose IQ is not in three figures (not including decimal places)."

Carswell has no special insight into HIV, but he has form in homophobia.
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I guess you would be happy if the right to vote was a prerequisite of a high IQ. You Sir are exactly the type of person the Liberal Elite are made up of.
 
Ethan said:
You, sir, are precisely the sort of person UKIP is targeting.

I can just see the new slogan "UKIP - the party for people whose IQ is not in three figures (not including decimal places)."

Carswell has no special insight into HIV, but he has form in homophobia.
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I think this is very poor of you Ethan, I think if I accused a fellow formumite of having a 2-digit IQ based on their opinion I would have had a warning of some kind, everyone is entitled to an opinion but then associating it with having a low IQ is quite uncalled for!
 
Ethan said:
You, sir, are precisely the sort of person UKIP is targeting.

I can just see the new slogan "UKIP - the party for people whose IQ is not in three figures (not including decimal places)."

Carswell has no special insight into HIV, but he has form in homophobia.
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Ethan you may well be correct that I am the sort of person they are looking at. But what/who exactly am I.

51 yr old worked in the coal mines for 36 yr til I am made redundant next year. The Tory government has hammered the mining industry. They can apply to the EU for state aid as has Germany, Spain, Czechs, Poland. Etc etc to soften the blow to not just the miners but it's supporting industries. but it chooses not to. So forgive me if I don't wave a Davis Cameron flag.

But hang on a minute, Labour has shut just as many pits as the Tories, yeah but that was 50 yr ago. er no it wasn't. new Labour under That Criminal Tony. Blair did nowt to help me either. So there's no waving of the red rose either.

my wife of 29 yr is a nurse and seen the NHS brought to its knees by successive Tory and Labour governments. She is no lover of Labour or the Tories either.

i have three kids. Our eldest is a copper in Sheffield Central she is 27 an been a copper 8 years. The problems she tells me of inner cities with benefit culture kids, and immigrants of differing cultures at war with one another because they cannot respect one another's cultures is frightening. They only thing they hate more than one another is the police who they have no respect for. Yet every year there budget gets hit again and again.

my son who is 26 is a class one lorry driver. Now he is a classic target for the UKIP party. But hey he's young and thinks he can change the world by himself. He worked in the prisons for 3 yr and was disgusted to see how cushy prisoners have it. Do you know if your on benefits you can claim traveling expenses for seeing family members in the clink. I,m proud as punch for the both of um.

me youngest, she is 21 this December. We adopted her when she was 2 yr 11 months old. My family have spent more time and money on her,teaching her old fashioned family values it was a complete and utter waste of time ( Nathan if you want a full and frank rundown of her life then al pm you) she has contributed nothing to society. She has a son who is 18 month old, I have seen him 4 times, she is pregnant again with a father of her kids who is looking at spending the next 6-9 yr inside. I could go on. Me and you are paying every single day for the next couple of decades to keep her and her partner in the life of luxury.

the problem is that since I could vote from 1981 I have voted labour, SDLP and liberals last time around and where as it got us.

fortunately or unfortunately the UKIP party have come along, and has already been said, some of there policies hit the nail on the head and others are iffy to say the least.
 
Tashyboy said:
Ethan you may well be correct that I am the sort of person they are looking at. But what/who exactly am I.

51 yr old worked in the coal mines for 36 yr til I am made redundant next year. The Tory government has hammered the mining industry. They can apply to the EU for state aid as has Germany, Spain, Czechs, Poland. Etc etc to soften the blow to not just the miners but it's supporting industries. but it chooses not to. So forgive me if I don't wave a Davis Cameron flag.

But hang on a minute, Labour has shut just as many pits as the Tories, yeah but that was 50 yr ago. er no it wasn't. new Labour under That Criminal Tony. Blair did nowt to help me either. So there's no waving of the red rose either.

my wife of 29 yr is a nurse and seen the NHS brought to its knees by successive Tory and Labour governments. She is no lover of Labour or the Tories either.

i have three kids. Our eldest is a copper in Sheffield Central she is 27 an been a copper 8 years. The problems she tells me of inner cities with benefit culture kids, and immigrants of differing cultures at war with one another because they cannot respect one another's cultures is frightening. They only thing they hate more than one another is the police who they have no respect for. Yet every year there budget gets hit again and again.

my son who is 26 is a class one lorry driver. Now he is a classic target for the UKIP party. But hey he's young and thinks he can change the world by himself. He worked in the prisons for 3 yr and was disgusted to see how cushy prisoners have it. Do you know if your on benefits you can claim traveling expenses for seeing family members in the clink. I,m proud as punch for the both of um.

me youngest, she is 21 this December. We adopted her when she was 2 yr 11 months old. My family have spent more time and money on her,teaching her old fashioned family values it was a complete and utter waste of time ( Nathan if you want a full and frank rundown of her life then al pm you) she has contributed nothing to society. She has a son who is 18 month old, I have seen him 4 times, she is pregnant again with a father of her kids who is looking at spending the next 6-9 yr inside. I could go on. Me and you are paying every single day for the next couple of decades to keep her and her partner in the life of luxury.

the problem is that since I could vote from 1981 I have voted labour, SDLP and liberals last time around and where as it got us.

fortunately or unfortunately the UKIP party have come along, and has already been said, some of there policies hit the nail on the head and others are iffy to say the least.
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Fair play to you for being so honest and open in making your point, I doff my cap to you sir :thup:
 
Tashyboy said:
Ethan you may well be correct that I am the sort of person they are looking at. But what/who exactly am I.

51 yr old worked in the coal mines for 36 yr til I am made redundant next year. The Tory government has hammered the mining industry. They can apply to the EU for state aid as has Germany, Spain, Czechs, Poland. Etc etc to soften the blow to not just the miners but it's supporting industries. but it chooses not to. So forgive me if I don't wave a Davis Cameron flag.

But hang on a minute, Labour has shut just as many pits as the Tories, yeah but that was 50 yr ago. er no it wasn't. new Labour under That Criminal Tony. Blair did nowt to help me either. So there's no waving of the red rose either.

my wife of 29 yr is a nurse and seen the NHS brought to its knees by successive Tory and Labour governments. She is no lover of Labour or the Tories either.

i have three kids. Our eldest is a copper in Sheffield Central she is 27 an been a copper 8 years. The problems she tells me of inner cities with benefit culture kids, and immigrants of differing cultures at war with one another because they cannot respect one another's cultures is frightening. They only thing they hate more than one another is the police who they have no respect for. Yet every year there budget gets hit again and again.

my son who is 26 is a class one lorry driver. Now he is a classic target for the UKIP party. But hey he's young and thinks he can change the world by himself. He worked in the prisons for 3 yr and was disgusted to see how cushy prisoners have it. Do you know if your on benefits you can claim traveling expenses for seeing family members in the clink. I,m proud as punch for the both of um.

me youngest, she is 21 this December. We adopted her when she was 2 yr 11 months old. My family have spent more time and money on her,teaching her old fashioned family values it was a complete and utter waste of time ( Nathan if you want a full and frank rundown of her life then al pm you) she has contributed nothing to society. She has a son who is 18 month old, I have seen him 4 times, she is pregnant again with a father of her kids who is looking at spending the next 6-9 yr inside. I could go on. Me and you are paying every single day for the next couple of decades to keep her and her partner in the life of luxury.

the problem is that since I could vote from 1981 I have voted labour, SDLP and liberals last time around and where as it got us.

fortunately or unfortunately the UKIP party have come along, and has already been said, some of there policies hit the nail on the head and others are iffy to say the least.
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Respect for that post

I will vote for no one because there is no one i trust or agree with

I want there to be a vote on the slip that allows me to show that i vote no one
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Respect for that post

I will vote for no one because there is no one i trust or agree with

I want there to be a vote on the slip that allows me to show that i vote no one
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+1

Been saying this for years.
Why vote for someone/party that you don't agree with purely to say you voted...?

"None of the above" should be the last name on any ballot paper.
 
Tashyboy said:
Ethan you may well be correct that I am the sort of person they are looking at. But what/who exactly am I.

51 yr old worked in the coal mines for 36 yr til I am made redundant next year. The Tory government has hammered the mining industry. They can apply to the EU for state aid as has Germany, Spain, Czechs, Poland. Etc etc to soften the blow to not just the miners but it's supporting industries. but it chooses not to. So forgive me if I don't wave a Davis Cameron flag.

But hang on a minute, Labour has shut just as many pits as the Tories, yeah but that was 50 yr ago. er no it wasn't. new Labour under That Criminal Tony. Blair did nowt to help me either. So there's no waving of the red rose either.

my wife of 29 yr is a nurse and seen the NHS brought to its knees by successive Tory and Labour governments. She is no lover of Labour or the Tories either.

i have three kids. Our eldest is a copper in Sheffield Central she is 27 an been a copper 8 years. The problems she tells me of inner cities with benefit culture kids, and immigrants of differing cultures at war with one another because they cannot respect one another's cultures is frightening. They only thing they hate more than one another is the police who they have no respect for. Yet every year there budget gets hit again and again.

my son who is 26 is a class one lorry driver. Now he is a classic target for the UKIP party. But hey he's young and thinks he can change the world by himself. He worked in the prisons for 3 yr and was disgusted to see how cushy prisoners have it. Do you know if your on benefits you can claim traveling expenses for seeing family members in the clink. I,m proud as punch for the both of um.

me youngest, she is 21 this December. We adopted her when she was 2 yr 11 months old. My family have spent more time and money on her,teaching her old fashioned family values it was a complete and utter waste of time ( Nathan if you want a full and frank rundown of her life then al pm you) she has contributed nothing to society. She has a son who is 18 month old, I have seen him 4 times, she is pregnant again with a father of her kids who is looking at spending the next 6-9 yr inside. I could go on. Me and you are paying every single day for the next couple of decades to keep her and her partner in the life of luxury.

the problem is that since I could vote from 1981 I have voted labour, SDLP and liberals last time around and where as it got us.

fortunately or unfortunately the UKIP party have come along, and has already been said, some of there policies hit the nail on the head and others are iffy to say the least.
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As the others have said, respect your honesty and openness there fella :thup:
 
Tashyboy said:
Ethan you may well be correct that I am the sort of person they are looking at. But what/who exactly am I.

51 yr old worked in the coal mines for 36 yr til I am made redundant next year. The Tory government has hammered the mining industry. They can apply to the EU for state aid as has Germany, Spain, Czechs, Poland. Etc etc to soften the blow to not just the miners but it's supporting industries. but it chooses not to. So forgive me if I don't wave a Davis Cameron flag.

But hang on a minute, Labour has shut just as many pits as the Tories, yeah but that was 50 yr ago. er no it wasn't. new Labour under That Criminal Tony. Blair did nowt to help me either. So there's no waving of the red rose either.

my wife of 29 yr is a nurse and seen the NHS brought to its knees by successive Tory and Labour governments. She is no lover of Labour or the Tories either.

i have three kids. Our eldest is a copper in Sheffield Central she is 27 an been a copper 8 years. The problems she tells me of inner cities with benefit culture kids, and immigrants of differing cultures at war with one another because they cannot respect one another's cultures is frightening. They only thing they hate more than one another is the police who they have no respect for. Yet every year there budget gets hit again and again.

my son who is 26 is a class one lorry driver. Now he is a classic target for the UKIP party. But hey he's young and thinks he can change the world by himself. He worked in the prisons for 3 yr and was disgusted to see how cushy prisoners have it. Do you know if your on benefits you can claim traveling expenses for seeing family members in the clink. I,m proud as punch for the both of um.

me youngest, she is 21 this December. We adopted her when she was 2 yr 11 months old. My family have spent more time and money on her,teaching her old fashioned family values it was a complete and utter waste of time ( Nathan if you want a full and frank rundown of her life then al pm you) she has contributed nothing to society. She has a son who is 18 month old, I have seen him 4 times, she is pregnant again with a father of her kids who is looking at spending the next 6-9 yr inside. I could go on. Me and you are paying every single day for the next couple of decades to keep her and her partner in the life of luxury.

the problem is that since I could vote from 1981 I have voted labour, SDLP and liberals last time around and where as it got us.

fortunately or unfortunately the UKIP party have come along, and has already been said, some of there policies hit the nail on the head and others are iffy to say the least.
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I like this post :thup:
 
Ethan said:
The trouble with facts is that many people do not want to hear facts, they just want to hear what fits their prejudice. Shame on politicians who pander to that, greater shame that almost all of them do.
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But this is what political campaigns are all about. People like yourself vote a certain way and always have done, that is not a slur, but a fact as that is how most people vote. So people like yourself, a middle class man, will not be swayed as they do not say anything that interests you. But there is the other side to voting, the ones who do not know who to vote for or the people that are getting to vote for the first time.

You take a group of people struggling to find work and start filling their heads that it is immigrants taking the jobs away. Natural human instinct is to find someone else to blame so they are slowly getting brainwashed by people like UKIP. They feel that the government are not doing enough to help them, so look for someone to blame and someone to help them, UKIP offer that to them and say what they want to hear. This doesn't mean they have a low IQ, or you could say the same about Labour voters for not voting Conservative.

People on the fence will vote for the party that say the things they want to hear wether that be labour, conservative or any other party.
 
Tashyboy said:
Ethan you may well be correct that I am the sort of person they are looking at. But what/who exactly am I.

51 yr old worked in the coal mines for 36 yr til I am made redundant next year. The Tory government has hammered the mining industry. They can apply to the EU for state aid as has Germany, Spain, Czechs, Poland. Etc etc to soften the blow to not just the miners but it's supporting industries. but it chooses not to. So forgive me if I don't wave a Davis Cameron flag.

But hang on a minute, Labour has shut just as many pits as the Tories, yeah but that was 50 yr ago. er no it wasn't. new Labour under That Criminal Tony. Blair did nowt to help me either. So there's no waving of the red rose either.

my wife of 29 yr is a nurse and seen the NHS brought to its knees by successive Tory and Labour governments. She is no lover of Labour or the Tories either.

i have three kids. Our eldest is a copper in Sheffield Central she is 27 an been a copper 8 years. The problems she tells me of inner cities with benefit culture kids, and immigrants of differing cultures at war with one another because they cannot respect one another's cultures is frightening. They only thing they hate more than one another is the police who they have no respect for. Yet every year there budget gets hit again and again.

my son who is 26 is a class one lorry driver. Now he is a classic target for the UKIP party. But hey he's young and thinks he can change the world by himself. He worked in the prisons for 3 yr and was disgusted to see how cushy prisoners have it. Do you know if your on benefits you can claim traveling expenses for seeing family members in the clink. I,m proud as punch for the both of um.

me youngest, she is 21 this December. We adopted her when she was 2 yr 11 months old. My family have spent more time and money on her,teaching her old fashioned family values it was a complete and utter waste of time ( Nathan if you want a full and frank rundown of her life then al pm you) she has contributed nothing to society. She has a son who is 18 month old, I have seen him 4 times, she is pregnant again with a father of her kids who is looking at spending the next 6-9 yr inside. I could go on. Me and you are paying every single day for the next couple of decades to keep her and her partner in the life of luxury.

the problem is that since I could vote from 1981 I have voted labour, SDLP and liberals last time around and where as it got us.

fortunately or unfortunately the UKIP party have come along, and has already been said, some of there policies hit the nail on the head and others are iffy to say the least.
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I'll tell you who you are! You're the kind of person this country needs more of and I hope life favours you in the future.
 
Ethan said:
You, sir, are precisely the sort of person UKIP is targeting.

I can just see the new slogan "UKIP - the party for people whose IQ is not in three figures (not including decimal places)."

Carswell has no special insight into HIV, but he has form in homophobia.
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Are you as much of a pompous, self important clown in person as you come across on here sometimes?

Being a doctor give you the right to assume intellectual superiority over everyone these days?

Arse.
 
Ethan said:
You, sir, are precisely the sort of person UKIP is targeting.

I can just see the new slogan "UKIP - the party for people whose IQ is not in three figures (not including decimal places)."

Carswell has no special insight into HIV, but he has form in homophobia.
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This from a moderator on this great forum? :rolleyes:
 
jp5 said:
This from a moderator on this great forum? :rolleyes:
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Hmm, but their aloud their personal opinion, even if its flaming or derogative towards another forumite but if you dare criticise them its then not personal, its against a moderator, so you lose the fight!

That's me buggered :whistle:
 
Hobbit said:
I guess my UKIP vote and IQ of 134 are at odds with each other. So why am on the very top mark of gifted but voting UKIP?

Without going into reams about illegal wars, expense scandals, u-turns over manifesto promises, irrespective of which party, I want to give the established parties a bloody nose. I want them to be honest and trustworthy. And if giving them a bloody nose makes them sit up and listen to the people, I'm all for it.

Do I want UKIP in power? No. Do I want them in a coalition? No. They have the odd policy that makes some sense, just as all the parties do, but just like the Lib Dems have proven to be they're not good enough for office.

My UKIP vote is a protest vote because I don't trust either the Cons or Labour anymore.
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Don't have a go at me, mate. The guy I responded to was the one who made a point about IQ and party affiliation.

134 is good, so I am sure you know that clever people sometimes make bad choices.

Protest voting tends not to be very successful and only encourages those with whom you choose to protest.
 
NWJocko said:
Are you as much of a pompous, self important clown in person as you come across on here sometimes?

Being a doctor give you the right to assume intellectual superiority over everyone these days?

Arse.
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Well, I assume those who have the power of literacy will see that I was responding directly to a point made by someone else which deplored the political parties whose supporters had three figure IQs. By implication, he was casting UKIP as the party for those that did not.

I assume you have summoned up an equal share of your self righteous anger and aimed it at them too. Or are you just a hypocrite?
 
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