UKIP a change on the political horizon or not.

[bluewolf]

Holland are paying more per head than we are back into the pot.. Oh, and it's not strictly a direct redistribution of wealth from the UK to France, Germany etc.. It's a re-calculation of past contributions based on new data..

 

[bluewolf]

Ok Socketrocket. I've raised the issue twice and it's been ignored on both occasions..

What is your opinion on UKIP's new political allies in Europe? The Polish "Congress of the new Right" party..

Here is a small sample of their political views...

In July, he declared in English that the minimum wage should be “destroyed” and said that “four million nixxxrs” lost their jobs in the US as a result of the US president John F Kennedy signing a bill on the minimum wage in 1961.

Korwin-Mikke has also called for the vote to be taken away from women, has claimed that the difference between rape and consensual sex was “very subtle” and has said that Adolf Hitler was “probably not aware that Jews were being exterminated”.

When Korwin-Mikke tried to form an alliance with the French BNP, Marine Le Pen claimed that they were just too extreme.

So, multiple choice question.. Which one has Mr Farage sold out for money..

a, His principles
b, His morals
c, His own Grandmother..

Note, apologies for the x'd out word above. It's a direct quote from a political ally of a party that several people on here support..

 

[jp5]

Ok Socketrocket. I've raised the issue twice and it's been ignored on both occasions..

What is your opinion on UKIP's new political allies in Europe? The Polish "Congress of the new Right" party..

Do you actually understand what has happened or have you fallen foul of the media mud slinging?

If you want to bring up European alliances, perhaps you should report back on what the other parties are doing for fair comparison, such as the Tories alliance with the ECR.

Look forward to reading your balanced report!

 

[Ethan]

I agree, if voting means getting out of Europe which I'm all for, so be it, they'll get my vote :thup:

I don't see why, even if we've agreed to "the mechanism" there is no reward for all of us who are making sacrifices to shore up the deficit and our economy only then to see us propping up the likes of France & Germany who aren't obviously trying hard enough because we've got to shell out another 1.7bn which also goes to other countries getting refunds and more bailouts, stuff them, stuff Europe, as I said in an earlier post, I don't buy into the "we'll be cut off from trading" rubbish, if we have the skills and the product, countries will buy it, simples.

This rant was obviously written by an illiterate, uneducated, unwashed individual who has been hoodwinked and taken in by the UKIP train

At last we agree on something.

 

[bluewolf]

Do you actually understand what has happened or have you fallen foul of the media mud slinging?

If you want to bring up European alliances, perhaps you should report back on what the other parties are doing for fair comparison, such as the Tories alliance with the ECR.

Look forward to reading your balanced report!

this is a thread about UKIP. Correct? Not the tories and their shabby little deals. If you want to discuss the Tories then start another thread.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You tell me. Its not in their list of policies so where is it?

http://devolutionmatters.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/ukips-policy-on-britishness/

4 years ago but there are later links.
The UKIP person on question time did not say it had changed when asked. [Perhaps she was unaware]

 

[jp5]

this is a thread about UKIP. Correct? Not the tories and their shabby little deals. If you want to discuss the Tories then start another thread.

My point, proven by yourself, was that if you dig deep enough dirt can be found on any party - shady dealings aren't a phenomena specific to UKIP.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

UKIP have such a great way with words

Ukip's Chris Pain, leader of the opposition at Lincs Council and the party’s East Midlands regional chairman, wrote: “Have you noticed that if you *rearrange the letters in ‘illegal *immigrants’, and add just a few more letters, it spells, ‘Go home you free-loading, benefit-grabbing, resource-sucking, baby-making, non-English-speaking ********* and take those other hairy-faced, sandal-wearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-********, raghead ******** with you.’”


Mr Pain has also *objected to foreign doctors working in the NHS.

Last May he posted a story about a Hungarian medic who bungled an operation on a four-year-old boy in Manchester, and wrote: “We don’t want them taking all the jobs in the local community and we certainly don’t want them working in our hospitals!”

Peter Entwistle, party chairman in Bury, Greater Manchester, labelled President Barack Obama a Muslim, writing: “I bet he’s a closet ‘Imam’ as well!

"If I ever see him on a Greyhound bus wearing a rucksack, I’m getting off!!”

The party’s deputy chairman in Scotland, Misty Thackeray, “liked” a Facebook group claiming “paedophilia is part of Islamic tradition”.

He also praised far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders, a self-*confessed “hater of Islam”.

Recommending Mr Wilders’ new book, he said: “Geert is great ...(peace be upon him.. lol) ..!”

Meanwhile Tiggs Keywood-*Wainwright, a Ukip councillor in Boston, Lincs, complained about mosques being built in “quintessentially English” Cambridge. “Is nowhere sacred for the Brits in Britain any more?” she wrote.

“Bottom line is we have too many muslims in this country!”

 

[bluewolf]

My point, proven by yourself, was that if you dig deep enough dirt can be found on any party - shady dealings aren't a phenomena specific to UKIP.

But the opportunistic nature, coupled with the ambivalence towards the political leanings of the "Congress for the New Right" illustrate the exact nature of UKIP. They are opportunistic, devious, manipulative individuals who have spotted a gap in the political firmament and are exploiting it for all they're worth. I'm not claiming that this is a new development in Politics, but the apparent ease with which they are finding support leaves me more than a touch concerned about future developments..

 

[NWJocko]

Oh, I find it rather satisfying.

.

As noted before that's because you come across on here as an arrogant....

I'm sure if a non mod continually called people stupid/illiterate etc there would be something said.

You may well be a decent bloke in person but your attitude on here does you no favours. Surely somebody as incredibly intelligent as you keep telling us you are can debate and/or discuss without the need for petty insults?

 

[Fish]

If you want to see an incoherent and incontinent wish list of fanciful, uncommitted and unworkable xenophobic promises, you mean.

UKIP do best when they make vague promises and bark slogans, because they hope that most of their supporters lack the interest or intellect to look beyond the superficial. Which, based on most of the UKIP supporters who turn up on TV, seems to be a reasonable hope.

Your continual policy of insulting peoples intellect is disgusting and does noting for yours.

At last we agree on something.

As there is no smiley I'll take that as a personal slur, can you award yourself 3 infractions points, and, I'm serious!

 

[SocketRocket]

UKIP have such a great way with words

Ukip's Chris Pain, leader of the opposition at Lincs Council and the party’s East Midlands regional chairman, wrote: “Have you noticed that if you *rearrange the letters in ‘illegal *immigrants’, and add just a few more letters, it spells, ‘Go home you free-loading, benefit-grabbing, resource-sucking, baby-making, non-English-speaking ********* and take those other hairy-faced, sandal-wearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-********, raghead ******** with you.’”


Mr Pain has also *objected to foreign doctors working in the NHS.

Last May he posted a story about a Hungarian medic who bungled an operation on a four-year-old boy in Manchester, and wrote: “We don’t want them taking all the jobs in the local community and we certainly don’t want them working in our hospitals!”

Peter Entwistle, party chairman in Bury, Greater Manchester, labelled President Barack Obama a Muslim, writing: “I bet he’s a closet ‘Imam’ as well!

"If I ever see him on a Greyhound bus wearing a rucksack, I’m getting off!!”

The party’s deputy chairman in Scotland, Misty Thackeray, “liked” a Facebook group claiming “paedophilia is part of Islamic tradition”.

He also praised far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders, a self-*confessed “hater of Islam”.

Recommending Mr Wilders’ new book, he said: “Geert is great ...(peace be upon him.. lol) ..!”

Meanwhile Tiggs Keywood-*Wainwright, a Ukip councillor in Boston, Lincs, complained about mosques being built in “quintessentially English” Cambridge. “Is nowhere sacred for the Brits in Britain any more?” she wrote.

“Bottom line is we have too many muslims in this country!”

Digging the bottom there! I guess it's possible to rake out silly comments by councillors of all parties.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Digging the bottom there! I guess it's possible to rake out silly comments by councillors of all parties.

Away you go and rake out some comments that will match those from the high ranking officials from the other parties

And what do you think of this link to this far right Polish group that Bluewolf has mentioned ?

 

[SocketRocket]

Ok Socketrocket. I've raised the issue twice and it's been ignored on both occasions..

What is your opinion on UKIP's new political allies in Europe? The Polish "Congress of the new Right" party..

Here is a small sample of their political views...

In July, he declared in English that the minimum wage should be “destroyed” and said that “four million nixxxrs” lost their jobs in the US as a result of the US president John F Kennedy signing a bill on the minimum wage in 1961.

Korwin-Mikke has also called for the vote to be taken away from women, has claimed that the difference between rape and consensual sex was “very subtle” and has said that Adolf Hitler was “probably not aware that Jews were being exterminated”.

When Korwin-Mikke tried to form an alliance with the French BNP, Marine Le Pen claimed that they were just too extreme.

So, multiple choice question.. Which one has Mr Farage sold out for money..

a, His principles
b, His morals
c, His own Grandmother..

Note, apologies for the x'd out word above. It's a direct quote from a political ally of a party that several people on here support..

Mr 'Bluewolf' Sir, I am not a spokesman for UKIP and have no intention of defending them or their operations. I think I have stated here before that I am a Conservative and slightly right of centre (Someone once said here I was right of Genghis Khan, although I would say definitely of Hacker Khan ) My comments regarding UKIP is that in my uneducated opinion they are a force to be reckoned with and those here that brush them off as some form of protest vote are a little deluded. I have asked people that say they are a protest vote to explain what voters are protesting about but have not received a reasonable explanation. I would suggest that its due to the other main parties not clarifying how they will deal with the issues causing their concern (I have outlined these a number of times now).

Time will reveal the outcomes and I think many will be surprised how well UKIP will do next year, I would even hazard a guess they will be strong enough to be the Government makers. I hope this is wrong and the Tories can be true to their roots such that there is a turn of tide in their direction but I doubt it as the likes of Cameron is to Liberal for me.

If I am wrong then I will admit it after the election, in a way I hope I have to.

 

[SocketRocket]

Away you go and rake out some comments that will match those from the high ranking officials from the other parties

And what do you think of this link to this far right Polish group that Bluewolf has mentioned ?

I have better ways of spending a few hours than googling the interweb to find snippets to support a biased opinion. Maybe you can do it for me.

Regarding the alliance, I think nothing of it. Catch up!

 

[ColchesterFC]

Away you go and rake out some comments that will match those from the high ranking officials from the other parties

How about Conservative MP Patrick Mercer who had to stand down after saying "You don’t look like a soldier to me. You look like a bloody Jew" to an undercover reporter?

Or Aidan Burley (Tory) who had to stand down after arranging a Nazi themed stag party in France?

Or maybe Diane Abbott (Labour) who said "White people love playing 'divide & rule" in response to criticism of the Stephen Lawrence investigation.

David Wrd (LibDem) who said "The big question is - if I lived in Gaza would I fire a rocket into Israel? - probably yes"

Sir Gerald Howarth (Tory) who said that "he believed Enoch Powell, the late author of a notoriously anti-immigration speech from 1968, was correct in his views."

Lord Freud saying that disabled people didn't deserve the minimum wage.

And then there's George Galloway as both a Labour and independent MP.

There are unpleasant people in all the parties not just UKIP (and I'm not a UKIP voter before that gets suggested) and it's easy to find quotes like the ones above to back this up.

 

[SocketRocket]

There you go then Phil 10 minutes on Google. Not difficult is it.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/293840/Fury-as-Labour-MP-Diane-Abbott-sends-stupid-and-crass-tweet
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2013...e-nasty-party-is-still-just-as-nasty-as-ever/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ibe-at-female-cabinet-appointees-9612064.html
http://crashbangwallace.com/2012/02/16/the-labour-councillor-who-likes-ira-bombings/

 

[Deleted member 15344]

All perfect examples why there is not one single party that are worthy of a vote from anyone

They are low , they are untrustworthy , they have no morals and they shame the country

 

[SocketRocket]

Away you go and rake out some comments that will match those from the high ranking officials from the other parties

And what do you think of this link to this far right Polish group that Bluewolf has mentioned ?

All perfect examples why there is not one single party that are worthy of a vote from anyone

They are low , they are untrustworthy , they have no morals and they shame the country

But you decided to single out UKIP for your previous vitriol. Was that a misjudgement or deliberate?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But you decided to single out UKIP for your previous vitriol. Was that a misjudgement or deliberate?

I believe this thread is about UKIP hence why I posted about UKIP to keep it on the subject of UKIP in the UKIP thread

When a thread starts about the other parties I will then "single" them out in their relevant threads