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UKIP a change on the political horizon or not.

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MetalMickie said:
But under the present system and even after Devo Max a further referendum would need to be sanctioned by that lot at Westminster.

20 seats may have an influence but not enough, I would suggest, to get another vote on independence so soon after the last one.
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Rather depends upon the mood of the Scottish electorate I'd suggest - and that being told by Westminster that NO is the 'settled will of the Scottish people' (load of tosh phrase that is anyway) so 'shut it' - may not go down that well.

And on HKs point about
...a party that they can not vote for or who does not 'directly' have any influence on what happens where they live
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- well what's the fuss about EVEL then :)
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Rather depends upon the mood of the Scottish electorate I'd suggest - and that being told by Westminster that NO is the 'settled will of the Scottish people' (load of tosh phrase that is anyway) so 'shut it' - may not go down that well.

And on HKs point about - well what's the fuss about EVEL then :)
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I think you'll find it was the SNP who first suggested the referendum was "once in a generation".

Oh how that attitude has changed after the result didn't go their way.

Wasn't the mood of the Scottish electorate captured in the recent referendum where c. 28 of 32 constituencies voted no?
 
NWJocko said:
I think you'll find it was the SNP who first suggested the referendum was "once in a generation".

Oh how that attitude has changed after the result didn't go their way.

Wasn't the mood of the Scottish electorate captured in the recent referendum where c. 28 of 32 constituencies voted no?
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Maybe they did - or maybe Alex Salmond did (and he isn't going to be leader of the SNP or FM for much longer). I could also say 'so what if they did'. Politicians say lots of things for purely political purposes and not really meaning them.
 
I thought this thread had died.. Then I see it, sat on my "New posts" screen.. Oh oh, someone's obviously posted about UKIP's newest political alliance with the Far Right, Hitler supporting, Holocaust denying Polish group.. An alliance made purely to keep the gravy train running right into UKIP's pockets....

But no, I find that SILH has somehow managed to resurrect the campaign for Scottish Independence.... Damn and blast..
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Maybe they did - or maybe Alex Salmond did (and he isn't going to be leader of the SNP or FM for much longer). I could also say 'so what if they did'. Politicians say lots of things for purely political purposes and not really meaning them.
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You're right SILH.. You and the rest of the 45 can stand there and stamp your feet and "cwy and cwy and cwy" until you get your own way.. What a fabulous advert for democracy..;)

FWIW, not everyone here in Englandshire wants EVEL. I'm happy with things as they are at the moment thank you very much..
 
bluewolf said:
I thought this thread had died.. Then I see it, sat on my "New posts" screen.. Oh oh, someone's obviously posted about UKIP's newest political alliance with the Far Right, Hitler supporting, Holocaust denying Polish group.. An alliance made purely to keep the gravy train running right into UKIP's pockets....

But no, I find that SILH has somehow managed to resurrect the campaign for Scottish Independence.... Damn and blast..
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Any demand for a future referendum will I think in the first instance come from the Scottish electorate rather than the politicians. My point is more that apparent 'snubs' (deliberate or no) of the SNP in Westminster 2015 GE debates will only risk exacerbating things if progress towards implementing the 'Vow' is deemed too slow. Then one good way to risk precipitating a further referendum on independence would be for the UK to vote to leave the EU.

Carmichael said during the referendum campaign that the rest of the UK and Westminster must work to ensure that conditions never again exist that would enable calls for Scottish independence to bring about another referendum. I suspect some may feel that they are not working very hard on this at the moment - as exemplified here by excluding the SNP from UK-wide debate.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Carmichael said during the referendum campaign that the rest of the UK and Westminster must work to ensure that conditions never again exist that would enable calls for Scottish independence to bring about another referendum. I suspect some may feel that they are not working very hard on this at the moment - as exemplified here by excluding the SNP from UK-wide debate.
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With all due respect, I suspect that if we all worked together to make the sky rain £20 notes and for Golf Club memberships to be free, there'd still be a minority of people who would be sat in the corner complaining that the £20's weren't £50's and that the course was now too busy to get round 18 in 1hr 45m.. Some people like complaining..
Leave em to it, head outside and enjoy the fresh air whilst we all still can.. It won't be long before the Tories have privatised breathing... :D
 
bluewolf said:
With all due respect, I suspect that if we all worked together to make the sky rain £20 notes and for Golf Club memberships to be free, there'd still be a minority of people who would be sat in the corner complaining that the £20's weren't £50's and that the course was now too busy to get round 18 in 1hr 45m.. Some people like complaining..
Leave em to it, head outside and enjoy the fresh air whilst we all still can.. It won't be long before the Tories have privatised breathing... :D
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Unless theres free semi naked caddie girls im out. Just not good enough. :D
 
I think I've just realized why this weekends threads have been largely good-natured and interesting... Oh well, back to normality in a few days I suppose....:whistle:
 
On UKIP being a change...well they will be - a pretty awful change to the nature of democratic debate in the 2015 Westminster GE IMO. In England supporting the Tories, Labour or LibDem and making an argument in favour of their policies or counter to what UKIP state will be dismissed as being 'part of the same old, same old; they would say that; and anyway who can trust a word they say; just listen to us - we're not like them - we're like you' sort of stuff. Well-argued counter arguments from UKIP and debate could be thin on the ground I fear. Hopefully I'll be quite wrong.

Mind you Cameron pandering to the UKIP-tendency by drawing a red line in the sand (mixed up stuff there) and making grand declarations over requiring - not requesting - changes to EU freedom of movment of labour rules do not help. Farage can quite rightly simply point to what Jose Manuel Barroso says on that matter and tell us 'there you go - the 'old' parties making promises they know they can't deliver - same old same old, blah blah'
 
Cameron seems to be making quite a habit of making unfulfilled promises at the moment.

EU Referendum........That will never happen.
The Vow................Jury is out on that one.
English Votes in Westminster..........Not without a devolved English Parliament.

The man seems to have lost the plot and I have also noted he has developed the Thatcher 'mad eyes' when staring down the camera.
 
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