ferenezejohn
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The US economy was performing much better as was employment.
He was running the family businesses when he inherited them.
Haters will always be haters as that's the easy way.
TRUMP, What the hell is going on
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He was running the family businesses when he inherited them.
Haters will always be haters as that's the easy way.
bit like his Fortune then, saying goes he would have had more money now if he had put his Dads money in a post office account... rather than "running his Business"
as for not being stupid, you have never seen or heard any of his Press Confs
D
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Performing much better than when?
And his property/business empire appears to have done rather better since he stepped away from day to day involvement.
I don't hate the man, rather I despair that a great nation such as the USA cannot find someone better as their leader.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Not so much the guy...the issue is the US electorate...with the majority in the edge states thinking about life, and it's rights and wrongs quite differently than most in the fly-over states.
gmc40
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He didn’t inherit a mess at all. You are talking complete nonsense and repeating the crap that he lies about on a daily basis. I’m truly baffled that grown adults can’t see through his crap. It’s a real life version of the Emperors New Coat but unfortunately I think so many people have been brainwashed they can’t see what’s right in front of them.
Embarrassing.
GreiginFife
Money List Winner
Personally, I think people confuse his lack of basic social skills with being forthright and they then subconsciously link forthrightness to honesty (as in he's honest and speaks his mind) and from that they like to think that that's how they are, forthright and honest. So they start to self identify with him. It's more like a remote mental Stockholm Syndrome than it is anything else for me.
Trump just blusters and waffles (any old waffle, I'm not even sure his brain is connected while he waffles, truth or no truth it matters none) and the above happens. It's like people that confuse manners with mannerisms ?
larmen
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I heard about Bush (43) that you put him in a room with 42 random people and he is by far the smartest in the room. If you compare him to 42 presidents before him he doesn’t look that great.
Now, you put Trump in a room with 44 people and he looks a moron. You put him in with 4000 of his supporters he looks brilliant to all 20000 of them.
Now, you put Trump in a room with 44 people and he looks a moron. You put him in with 4000 of his supporters he looks brilliant to all 20000 of them.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Seems like Trump’s big internal US focus up to Nov will be on immigration, playing on the xenophobia of his core, and his external push will be putting the focus on China to blame for the number of coved-19 deaths in the US - to divert from his failings to manage the pandemic.
Mudball
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His opponent is hoping for some intercourse
Swinglowandslow
Well-known member
Sorry, this is a long one.
I know little of USA politics and their Presidents. Of what I have been informed, there seems to be trend where those with , shall we say, "varied" personal lives seemed to be inclined to policies to benefit the ordinary American. E.g
Kennedy and Clinton.
I also admired Truman, particularly his decision to decline a Presidential pension.
Kennedy, of course, was a great speech maker ( didn't say writer?), and his speech about health care, in particular, was revealing.
But one wonders what they would have done with Twitter. Would they have embraced it, or avoided it.
Hopefully, the latter. It seems to me to be a lot wiser for a President to communicate in a measured manner. Whatever happened to "Released statements "?
But Trump , apparently seduced by Twitter, has done himself no favours at all.
He is not a wordsmith, by any stretch of the imagination, and his shooting from the hip style has been Manna to his critics ( too mild a word).
Like me, almost all here know of Trump mostly what we are told. We see him on TV of course, but as to his intentions and motives, we decide what he is really on what we want to believe. Which Press reports are accurate? Which are slanted maliciously against or mendaciously for? Working out what he says, or is trying to say, do we look at that fairly or with prejudice?
His latest controversy concerning "injecting disinfectant " is somewhat fascinating and will , I think, be subject of much comment for a long time.
Was he really suggesting or advocating people to inject disinfectant?
Or was he thinking aloud, ( which a President in front of the Press shouldn't do!), speculating that something about disinfectant may be used against the virus?
I don't know. Some of us may say it was clear he was talking of injecting disinfectant, period. But was he?
Having been slated and ridiculed for what he said, it seems he ( and advisors?)then threw up the defence of sarcasm. That didn't wash with me.
However, if I was his Counsel, defending him, I might put forward something like this as regards his link between the virus and disinfectant/bleach.
Knowing next to nothing about both ( like us), it probably has no merit, but, on the other hand, it may ,to the open mind ,be worth a thought or two.
What is the active ingredient in disinfectant which kills the virus?
Is that ingredient always toxic to humans? In all it's possible forms?
If not, is it possible to explore how it may be used for our benefit? Or is it a non starter?
Just today, it is reported that UK soldiers on the covid front line are using insect repellent spray to help ward off the virus. Hey? ..........yes, Look it up.
We are now, in our scientific knowledge, in the realms of genes and molecules and organisms. Blood used to be classed in groups, now we know about DNA.
Science is now capable of looking at hypotheses once thought completely implausible.
For example,it is widely regarded that a compound found in sharks has anti viral properties. Some reports say that this compound destroys all viruses . A Dr Zasloff
discovered it and it is called squalamine.
That, to me, seems an avenue for research . Maybe it has been looked at and led to nothing, I don't know, but we are a long way from 1993 when it was found.
Being in the situation we are in, it deserves a look.
If this was mentioned by Trump, musing something like "maybe this compound thing, whatever, could be injected, or whatever or the medical doctors could look at it.."
Then it becomes "Trump says get injected with sharks blood..."
Just saying..........M'Lord.?
I know little of USA politics and their Presidents. Of what I have been informed, there seems to be trend where those with , shall we say, "varied" personal lives seemed to be inclined to policies to benefit the ordinary American. E.g
Kennedy and Clinton.
I also admired Truman, particularly his decision to decline a Presidential pension.
Kennedy, of course, was a great speech maker ( didn't say writer?), and his speech about health care, in particular, was revealing.
But one wonders what they would have done with Twitter. Would they have embraced it, or avoided it.
Hopefully, the latter. It seems to me to be a lot wiser for a President to communicate in a measured manner. Whatever happened to "Released statements "?
But Trump , apparently seduced by Twitter, has done himself no favours at all.
He is not a wordsmith, by any stretch of the imagination, and his shooting from the hip style has been Manna to his critics ( too mild a word).
Like me, almost all here know of Trump mostly what we are told. We see him on TV of course, but as to his intentions and motives, we decide what he is really on what we want to believe. Which Press reports are accurate? Which are slanted maliciously against or mendaciously for? Working out what he says, or is trying to say, do we look at that fairly or with prejudice?
His latest controversy concerning "injecting disinfectant " is somewhat fascinating and will , I think, be subject of much comment for a long time.
Was he really suggesting or advocating people to inject disinfectant?
Or was he thinking aloud, ( which a President in front of the Press shouldn't do!), speculating that something about disinfectant may be used against the virus?
I don't know. Some of us may say it was clear he was talking of injecting disinfectant, period. But was he?
Having been slated and ridiculed for what he said, it seems he ( and advisors?)then threw up the defence of sarcasm. That didn't wash with me.
However, if I was his Counsel, defending him, I might put forward something like this as regards his link between the virus and disinfectant/bleach.
Knowing next to nothing about both ( like us), it probably has no merit, but, on the other hand, it may ,to the open mind ,be worth a thought or two.
What is the active ingredient in disinfectant which kills the virus?
Is that ingredient always toxic to humans? In all it's possible forms?
If not, is it possible to explore how it may be used for our benefit? Or is it a non starter?
Just today, it is reported that UK soldiers on the covid front line are using insect repellent spray to help ward off the virus. Hey? ..........yes, Look it up.
We are now, in our scientific knowledge, in the realms of genes and molecules and organisms. Blood used to be classed in groups, now we know about DNA.
Science is now capable of looking at hypotheses once thought completely implausible.
For example,it is widely regarded that a compound found in sharks has anti viral properties. Some reports say that this compound destroys all viruses . A Dr Zasloff
discovered it and it is called squalamine.
That, to me, seems an avenue for research . Maybe it has been looked at and led to nothing, I don't know, but we are a long way from 1993 when it was found.
Being in the situation we are in, it deserves a look.
If this was mentioned by Trump, musing something like "maybe this compound thing, whatever, could be injected, or whatever or the medical doctors could look at it.."
Then it becomes "Trump says get injected with sharks blood..."
Just saying..........M'Lord.?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
US yesterday passed a fairly grim couple of milestones. More than a million infected and more deaths than service personnel deaths in the ten years of the Vietnam War.
That this has almost completely happened after Trump's much self-vaunted Chinese immigration shut down (though it wasn't actually such a complete shut-down as he'd like his core to believe) doesn't seem to register with him - that he and his administration might actually have mis-managed the spread of the virus since the Chinese immigration 'ban'. In fact in some ways his ban means he can't blame Chinese immigration or visitors for the growth - but he continues to boast about the ban?
That this has almost completely happened after Trump's much self-vaunted Chinese immigration shut down (though it wasn't actually such a complete shut-down as he'd like his core to believe) doesn't seem to register with him - that he and his administration might actually have mis-managed the spread of the virus since the Chinese immigration 'ban'. In fact in some ways his ban means he can't blame Chinese immigration or visitors for the growth - but he continues to boast about the ban?
Mudball
Assistant Pro
Dont worry.. he will blame the Democrat govs for it. afterall the worst death are in Democrat states as well as some of the toughest lockdowns. The Republicans are shouting to open. if the economy tanks, he will blame the Democrats for squeezing it out. There is also another conspiracty theory around high death rates.. One reason being touted by sources as the reason for higher ‘Covid related death’ in the US.. Blame Capitalism or Obamacare (pick your words)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ore-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/
triple_bogey
Tour Rookie
And yet he still praises himself for the matter......''facepalm''
NYC Governor Cuomo has already stated, the outbreak didn't start from someone from China. It came from Europe.
So the WHO were kind of right in saying Trump was wrong in just banning flights just from China. It should had been a full international ban.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
bit like his Fortune then, saying goes he would have had more money now if he had put his Dads money in a post office account... rather than "running his Business"
as for not being stupid, you have never seen or heard any of his Press Confs
I cannot stand a lot, if not pretty much all about Trump, but this is the one area I might cut him a bit of slack. Whilst I have no doubt that the assertion regarding his finances is correct, what weight, if any, is given to the fact that he has built up or invested in, for example, golf resorts that provide jobs and income for locals, taxes and potentially knock on effects to the local economy. Yes it would have been easier to stick it in the bank & live off the interest and personally have greater wealth, but in doing what he has surely he should get some recognition, and he had to invest some of that fortune to do it?
what about the many many projects that have gone pop and cost others and the D getting off scot free?
didn't have time to look for Proof, so here's just one article
https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-business-bankruptcies-4152019
Foxholer
Blackballed
Not knocking the benefits that such investment does provide, the entire gist of the comment is surely that he should ALSO have been able to make that investment work much better than he has - as other equivalent organisations (e.g. like other Hotel groups) have! Trump Entertainment Resorts has actually filed for bankruptcy protection 4 times, so he's certainly not running that particularly well - except, perhaps, for his own interest! As he, uniquely, refused to provide financial details that all previous Presidents have, it's difficult to actually tell with much precision!
Mudball
Assistant Pro
Well Trump is just the longest pole in the tent... but that tent has a fair share of other wonderful creations of God
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Fortunately she is only the Mayor and has no power over relaxing lockdown constraints...
meanwhile back in Washington DC Trump is raging with his campaign team over his poll ratings, both nationally and in key swing states...well he was warned about the damage his ‘briefings’ were doing.
Mudball
Assistant Pro
Textbook says... Attack China and blame Dems for locking America up. If China had some oil and a smaller army, he would have invaded China by now.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And so this morning we get a mega shrug (well there you go) sort of moment in consideration of Trump and his administration.
Mike Pence's press secretary is tested positive for CV - and guess who Katie Miller is married to - ah yes - Stephen Miller - one of Trump's top advisors (and a bit of a bampot if you listen to him) - all pure coincidence of course. But what the...someone very close to Pence married to someone very close to Trump - and she tests positive. No matter says Trump - he and Pence are both tested every day - well that's OK then. Nothing I've heard yet about Stephen Miller - and I guess that there will be a lot of the administration who will have been close to one or both of the Millers. Contact tracing could have 'half' the administration self-isolating for 14 days.
Won't happen of course as that would be the administration demonstrating and admitting the risk with the virus that Trump is trying to play-down as he wants the states to 'open up' - in complete contradiction of course to his own administrations guidelines for determining when to it is safe to start opening up.
Also loved Trump wearing a pair of goggles rather than a mask when he was visiting a PPE manufacturing facility - as if wearing a pair of goggles is going to protect all of his face from airborne droplets...
No matter, he's the President - and he's an expert on everything
Mike Pence's press secretary is tested positive for CV - and guess who Katie Miller is married to - ah yes - Stephen Miller - one of Trump's top advisors (and a bit of a bampot if you listen to him) - all pure coincidence of course. But what the...someone very close to Pence married to someone very close to Trump - and she tests positive. No matter says Trump - he and Pence are both tested every day - well that's OK then. Nothing I've heard yet about Stephen Miller - and I guess that there will be a lot of the administration who will have been close to one or both of the Millers. Contact tracing could have 'half' the administration self-isolating for 14 days.
Won't happen of course as that would be the administration demonstrating and admitting the risk with the virus that Trump is trying to play-down as he wants the states to 'open up' - in complete contradiction of course to his own administrations guidelines for determining when to it is safe to start opening up.
Also loved Trump wearing a pair of goggles rather than a mask when he was visiting a PPE manufacturing facility - as if wearing a pair of goggles is going to protect all of his face from airborne droplets...
No matter, he's the President - and he's an expert on everything
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