TRUMP, What the hell is going on

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sussexhacker said:
Why is there not a massive campaign by the public or media in the US against this joke of a human being and how does he keep his voters on his side through all this?

I’m not exactly a fan of bozza but the manor he’s spoken to the country so far has been exceptional in my opinion and then you watch trump in similar press conferences with media questions and he just goes after their valid questions with horrid personal attacks telling highly thought of journalists that they are third rate reporters and they won’t make it!!

Why don’t the media stand up to him?
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The differences between johnson and trump and how they perceive this are I think massive. Johnson absolutely does seem to defer to the experts - and absolutely does in the briefings; when Trump was asked last week about the metrics he’d use to assess things round relaxation of certain measures he tapped the side of his head - here’s my metrics...he’ll be dumping Fauci shortly - just watch. God Help America...
 
bobmac said:
More importantly, why watch him?
He's Americas problem, not ours.
When he comes on the tv, do your sanity and your blood pressure a favour and just turm him off.
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America is our best friend now and will be more so in the future remember. Always good to keep a watchful eye on what your best friend is up to if you are going to be depending on him.
 
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bobmac said:
More importantly, why watch him?
He's Americas problem, not ours.
When he comes on the tv, do your sanity and your blood pressure a favour and just turm him off.
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A very insular view Bob.
This is a man wielding inexorable power and influence across the globe from the seat of power in the world's most powerful country.

He has the ability to seriously affect other nation's economy at the flick of a pen stroke. Just look at the trade wars that he started through tariffs.

Whilst it's easy to say he is only the USA's problem, it's also not entirely true.
 
hovis said:
I do love the way he treats the media. imagine his response to being asked the same stupid questions again and again by our media ?
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It's clear the way he treats the media is nothing more than a smokescreen. Look at how he deflects a legitimate question by using personal attacks on the reporter asking the question, never actually answers the question asked.
It's childish and pathetic for a man elected to run a country to behave in this manner.
 
hovis said:
I do love the way he treats the media. imagine his response to being asked the same stupid questions again and again by our media ?
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Except the questions he's being asked are definitely NOT stupid! And they are repeatedly asked because he doesn't answer them - but covers that fact by abusing the questioner!

He's demonstrating the wisdom of the authors of the US Constitution (who restricted the President's possible dictatorial power), though he's still trying to bully dissenting states rather than negotiating with them. He treats his press conferences as an opportunity to screen re-election propaganda, which networks, fortunately, wisely exclude. Any criticism or awkward question is responded to with a personal attack avoiding answering it. Every real snippet of real info is surrounded in glorification as being 'the best'!

He reminds me of another 'great' handler of the Press - the (NZ born) Premier of Queensland, Joh Bjelke-Petersen, who described press conferences as 'feeding the chooks'!

Have to admire the way he does it though!!
 
Foxholer said:
Except the questions he's being asked are definitely NOT stupid! And they are repeatedly asked because he doesn't answer them - but covers that fact by abusing the questioner!

He's demonstrating the wisdom of the authors of the US Constitution (who restricted the President's possible dictatorial power), though he's still trying to bully dissenting states rather than negotiating with them. He treats his press conferences as an opportunity to screen re-election propaganda, which networks, fortunately, wisely exclude. Any criticism or awkward question is responded to with a personal attack avoiding answering it. Every real snippet of real info is surrounded in glorification as being 'the best'!

He reminds me of another 'great' handler of the Press - the (NZ born) Premier of Queensland, Joh Bjelke-Petersen, who described press conferences as 'feeding the chooks'!

Have to admire the way he does it though!!
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We have the best testing in the world, really, believe me. It’s really the best testing in the world anyone will tell you

How can he say other countries are going to him asking how they’ve gotten so good at testing?
I thought Germany and South Korea were widely believed to be the best at testing?

I’ve seen some articles from US media that report he is so keen to open the US and let everyone out freely is because 7 of his most profitable businesses are closed and he is losing millions a week from the closure.
 
I’ve always thought that this would eventually come down to money because not matter what anyone thinks personally, money does really make the world go round.

This is what I think he is thinking.

It has come to a point in his mind where lives are worth less than the economy. Plain and simple. He is thinking, why keep 98% of people down for the 2%. The maths doesn’t add up to him.

The economy is tanking. People can’t work so they can’t earn. Businesses are losing out big time. Businesses that employ millions of people who need somewhere to work to live once the whole pandemic thing is over.

If the lockdown stays on then the longer term impact is worse than the short term impact. Yes, people will die while the virus works its way through but at least the massive majority will get back to normal.

Keep the lockdown on and in a few months there will be civil unrest because no one will gave money for food, no one will have a job to go to.

Take the tough choice now and get the county moving again and they will thank me for it later because there will still be a country
 
The reality is that he will get re-elected. Keeping his ignoramus ways to a side, don’t forget the other half of the equation - his supporters. He is their Moses and he can part water for them. They believe his rhetoric that he made no mistake and it was all a democrat hoax and a Chinese/immigrant virus. Americans have hyper local news. They care of their community and at best what’s happening in their state. if you ask someone in the mid-west of what is happening on the coasts, they will struggle to get past the media narrative.

Speaking of Democrats, how bad have they got to get to let a Trump re-election. They have Biden. He is a bit of a Corbyn mode. Now if they could galvanise an Andrew Cuomo or a Gavin Newsom rather than a Biden, then we could see a different result.
 
Captainron said:
I’ve always thought that this would eventually come down to money because not matter what anyone thinks personally, money does really make the world go round.

This is what I think he is thinking.

It has come to a point in his mind where lives are worth less than the economy. Plain and simple. He is thinking, why keep 98% of people down for the 2%. The maths doesn’t add up to him.

The economy is tanking. People can’t work so they can’t earn. Businesses are losing out big time. Businesses that employ millions of people who need somewhere to work to live once the whole pandemic thing is over.

If the lockdown stays on then the longer term impact is worse than the short term impact. Yes, people will die while the virus works its way through but at least the massive majority will get back to normal.

Keep the lockdown on and in a few months there will be civil unrest because no one will gave money for food, no one will have a job to go to.

Take the tough choice now and get the county moving again and they will thank me for it later because there will still be a country
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Would you be comfortable making the order that would in most estimates see over 2 million people die just so the economy can recover quicker?
 
Mudball said:
The reality is that he will get re-elected. Keeping his ignoramus ways to a side, don’t forget the other half of the equation - his supporters. He is their Moses and he can part water for them. They believe his rhetoric that he made no mistake and it was all a democrat hoax and a Chinese/immigrant virus. Americans have hyper local news. They care of their community and at best what’s happening in their state. if you ask someone in the mid-west of what is happening on the coasts, they will struggle to get past the media narrative.

Speaking of Democrats, how bad have they got to get to let a Trump re-election. They have Biden. He is a bit of a Corbyn mode. Now if they could galvanise an Andrew Cuomo or a Gavin Newsom rather than a Biden, then we could see a different result.
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Seems true, any Twitter argument about him has as many blindly defending him as attacking him.
Of the Democrats Biden seems a bit toothless to me, rather than earning a shot at The White House, he's just being given it cos he was VP to Obama. Sanders was too much of a firebrand. Others not standouts.
Used to seeing Trump talk daft but that press briefing was a bit shocking.:eek:
 
rosecott said:
Pretty sure this one is genuine:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=651523978995432
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100% genuine.

Every word from the PotUS and every Fox commentator. Which is why the Murdoch's are getting more than a bit nervous as they face potentially massive litigation from relatives of those who believed what they were told by Fox - but then their relative died as a result of believing it was a hoax and not taking any precautions.
 
maxfli65 said:
Seems true, any Twitter argument about him has as many blindly defending him as attacking him.
Of the Democrats Biden seems a bit toothless to me, rather than earning a shot at The White House, he's just being given it cos he was VP to Obama. Sanders was too much of a firebrand. Others not standouts.
Used to seeing Trump talk daft but that press briefing was a bit shocking.:eek:
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The most recent one (in which he effectively declared himself King of America) is simply an evolution from all previous ones.

I like Don Lemon's take on it all.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/poli...g-coronavirus-dead-back-don-lemon-ctn-vpx.cnn
 
sussexhacker said:
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I thought Germany and South Korea were widely believed to be the best at testing?
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Norway and Switzerland have highest test/1m of population (23, 22k resp) of 'major' countries. Italy, (understandable), Portugal and Austria around 17K. Germany almost 16K. US just under 9K and UK about 5.5K. So Trump spouting twaddle - as ever!

Low German deaths/1M probably down to their pragmatic tendency to 'do what their govt decrees'. Interesting looking at figures for Norway,Denmark and Sweden...Deaths per !m pop seem almost exactly inverse of Test Rate per 1m - ie. Norway 25 23.4k/m; Denmark 49 12.7k/m; Sweden 91 5.4k/m
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Whilst it's easy to say he is only the USA's problem, it's also not entirely true.
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I meant as far as the election is concerned.
We have no vote in November and that's all he's interested in, even if you're dying.
If everyone wants to watch this idiot lie to the American people for the next 7 months, good luck to them. I'll be focused on what's happening in the UK
 
bobmac said:
I meant as far as the election is concerned.
We have no vote in November and that's all he's interested in, even if you're dying.
If everyone wants to watch this idiot lie to the American people for the next 7 months, good luck to them. I'll be focused on what's happening in the UK
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The problem is that there are also people in the UK who also believe the rubbish he comes out with. He is the leader of the most powerful nation in the world and what happens there has impact elsewhere.
 
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