TRUMP, What the hell is going on

[Deleted member 15344]

An unusual turn of events? Iraq Parliament votes in favour of asking all foreign soldiers to leave. Iraq, to a large extent, doesn’t have a viable army/air force, and has never really got with Iran yet wants the US out.

Its too complicated for me.

a lot of the foreign military are supposed to there for “training and advisory” purposes but it certainly shows what they thing - also believe I heard they are putting a formal complaint to the UN for the action on their soil. Also part of the vote was removing the allowing of the use of the air and sea space for foreign military.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

Before the overthrow of Hussein and the rise of Erdogan, Iraq and Turkey were two middle eastern nations that were NOT Islamic theocracies.

Now Iraq is a disaster and Turkey is NATO's only dictatorship. A bunch of Saudis knocked down our World Trade Center, bringing on the TSA and making air travel horrific.

The UK had a huge presence in the middle east for many years, and during that time, we never gave the middle east a thought.

I had barely heard of Iraq,

and all that I knew about Turkey was that old novelty song, Istanbul, Not Constantinople, and that a portion of the tobacco in my Camel cigarettes (when I used to smoke) was Turkish.

What can I do to help you get your empire back?

 

[Tashyboy]

It happened in December of 1941.

It took catastrophe in the Pacific to finally get us to help you (and the USSR) in Europe.
Because of their treaty with Japan, Germany and Italy had to reluctantly declare war on us... and then we were in.
Better late than never, i guess.

Was in Hawaii in October last year, Laid a wreath at Arizona’s Anchor. Very moving day it was as well.

 

[Wolf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1213412757107888128

Significant and shows the whole feeling within the cojntry when you go through the thread.

Iran will retaliate of that there is no doubt but it’s highly possible it won’t be direct and will target US allies - including the UK , anyone going to Dubai etc going to have to be careful. The US are already putting further troops into the area.

Out of interest what feelings in what country. When I went through that whole thread it was just a few Americans having petty comments at each other about trump and others supporting the move.

The only thing I can find to back up your general statement of the feeling in the whole country is a single picture of the sheer number of mourners in the streets. But there is no Iranian responses in that thread to corroborate what you say the clear feeling is. Im nit digging you out here just looking for the clarity based on what's actually in that thread when i click your link.

 

[patricks148]

Before the overthrow of Hussein and the rise of Erdogan, Iraq and Turkey were two middle eastern nations that were NOT Islamic theocracies.

Now Iraq is a disaster and Turkey is NATO's only dictatorship. A bunch of Saudis knocked down our World Trade Center, bringing on the TSA and making air travel horrific.

The UK had a huge presence in the middle east for many years, and during that time, we never gave the middle east a thought.

I had barely heard of Iraq,

and all that I knew about Turkey was that old novelty song, Istanbul, Not Constantinople, and that a portion of the tobacco in my Camel cigarettes (when I used to smoke) was Turkish.

What can I do to help you get your empire back?

Oil

 

[patricks148]

God it must be so tiring being you

wasn't a snide comment. your just assuming based on your reputation

not liking a taste of his own medicine

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1213518211813126144

This appeared on my timeline and the man speaks very well. Lots of replies about these actions will create the immigrants that then risk their lives to come to the UK , immigrants created by the wars in Iraq and Syria.

Trump on Twitter is boasting about the amount they have spent on the military’s arms and that they will send stuff to them - it seems a very dangerous game to be playing as and Benn says - innocent people are going to be affected by this just as they were in the Iraq War. I really hope we stay out of this and it will be interesting to see if Iran do go to the UN as well Iraq have done

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

Just to clear up any possible misunderstanding beforehand, the word "caravan" does not refer to a mobile home in the United States.

I first heard it used that way watching the Irish film, The Commitments, in 1991 or2. But I digress.

A little while ago, I had to duck out to run a quick errand. On the streets, I ran into a caravan of pickup trucks, all festooned with American flags and huge Donal Trump signs, messing up traffic and beeping their horns.

I started out politely giving them a thumbs down sign. They responded with middle fingers. I responded by maneuvering my steering wheel with my knee and giving them two-handed middle fingers. Since everybody drives around with guns here in America, it got no further than that. Somebody shouted out "Communist" at me but Communists aren't what bother me. Republicans are. If they had called me "Republican, " then I may have started shooting. I hope not, but who knows? There's always a first time.

Anyway, that's where we are now in the "land of the free and home of the brave."

Same thing there? Except for the guns, of course. Although it wasn't that long ago when bakery trucks in Belfast all had tail gunners.

 

[Foxholer]

Do you of know what this guy may have been planning against the USA and its allies, do you know what threat he was to peace and stability in the World? We know nothing about it on this forum and as such its best to not guess about the whys or wherefors that lead to this act. It just could be that if he was alive many peoples friends and colleagues could have lost their lives.

You've got this the wrong way around!

It should be (have been in this case) US's responsibility to reveal how he was actively 'threatening peace and stability in the World'!

Not just an irresponsible, two-faced action by Trump to bolster his re-election prospects.

As it, I believe it's Trump that is the greatest threat to 'peace and stability in the World. Though I wouldn't advocate any attempt to assassinate him!

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

As it, I believe it's Trump that is the greatest threat to 'peace and stability in the World. Though I wouldn't advocate any attempt to assassinate him!

Would that I only had such self-restraint.

 

[drdel]

You've got this the wrong way around!

It should be (have been in this case) US's responsibility to reveal how he was actively 'threatening peace and stability in the World'!

Not just an irresponsible, two-faced action by Trump to bolster his re-election prospects.

As it, I believe it's Trump that is the greatest threat to 'peace and stability in the World. Though I wouldn't advocate any attempt to assassinate him!

You do realise that this person was the chief of Iran's Quds Force, an elite clandestine paramilitary task force created with the sole purpose of developing and executing acts of terrorism anywhere he considered. Thus, since his purpose was to undertake illegal incursions, that alone justifies his targeting and elimination.

 

[Foxholer]

You do realise that this person was the chief of Iran's Quds Force a clandestine paramilitary force created with the sole purpose of developing and executing acts of terrorism anywhere he considered. Thu,s since his purpose was to undertake illegal incursions, that alone justifies his targeting and elimination.

Like certain parts our MI6/SAS etc then! Or any of several US agencies!

Btw. Yes I did!

Isn't it a joy to be on 'the side of right' and know that everything we do is true and justified!

Oh hang on a bit! Dr David Kelly was right about Iraq's WMDs, but Blair 'eliminated' him and the Dodgy Dossier held sway!

 

[drdel]

Like certain parts our MI6/SAS etc then! Or any of several US agencies!

Btw. Yes I did!

Isn't it a joy to be on 'the side of right' and know that everything we do is true and justified!

Oh hang on a bit! Dr David Kelly was right about Iraq's WMDs, but Blair 'eliminated' him and the Dodgy Dossier held sway!

And yet you wish to blame Trump etc. and in that case your deflections and logic don't hold water IMO.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

If somebody wishes to blame Trump for the flood that allegedly forced Noah to build an ark, I wouldn't be quick to discredit the idea.

The man is a despicable cretin by any reasonable standard. If he's guilty of 1/10th of that for which he's blamed, and the true figure is very much greater than that,
he unworthy of sharing the planet's oxygen supply. And he is.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51001167

well that’s not good news

I see Boris has asked for both side it de escalate and asked Iraq for UK troops to stay in - I hope that helps and that Iraq keeps up relations with us

 

[SocketRocket]

You've got this the wrong way around!

It should be (have been in this case) US's responsibility to reveal how he was actively 'threatening peace and stability in the World'!

Not just an irresponsible, two-faced action by Trump to bolster his re-election prospects.

As it, I believe it's Trump that is the greatest threat to 'peace and stability in the World. Though I wouldn't advocate any attempt to assassinate him!

I can only repeat what I said in that post, you and I are not privy to the military intelligence and as such can only guess at why this act was perpetrated. You are allowing your prejudicial feelings against Trump to cloud your view.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Would that I only had such self-restraint.

I was surprised he survived to reach inauguration.

 

[Foxholer]

And yet you wish to blame Trump etc. and in that case your deflections and logic don't hold water IMO.

If somebody wishes to blame Trump for the flood that allegedly forced Noah to build an ark, I wouldn't be quick to discredit the idea.

The man is a despicable cretin by any reasonable standard. If he's guilty of 1/10th of that for which he's blamed, and the true figure is very much greater than that,
he unworthy of sharing the planet's oxygen supply. And he is.

Far better put than I could have - from someone 'closer to the source'!

Though I've certainly seen some 'scuttle-butt', since deleted from t'internet about some of his contcts - at least one of which I've met and wouldn't trust an inch!

 

[Foxholer]

I can only repeat what I said in that post, you and I are not privy to the military intelligence and as such can only guess at why this act was perpetrated...

I agree. That's precisely why it's up to USA to provide real hard evidence of crimes against humanity before deciding to simply murder 'opponents'!

...You are allowing your prejudicial feelings against Trump to cloud your view.

Wrong! My view would be the same had it been Clinton (either of them), Obama, Bush or Reagan!

The fact that I detest Trump makes no difference to my view on this murder!

 

[gmc40]

It’s important to remember that Trump pulled out of the Iran deal not because it was a bad deal but because it was Obama’s deal. The man doesn’t do anything unless it benefits himself but unfortunately some people continue to be wilfully ignorant on this topic.

It’s a convenient distraction and the start of his 2020 campaign.