TRUMP, What the hell is going on

[IanM]

I guess if Mrs Clinton and her chums hadn't used the same sort of language as you, about a significant core of the electorate, she'd now be President. (sounds vaguely familiar)

Any well run campaign without the snotty arrogance would have beaten the Orange Faced Oaf comfortably. But no.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I guess if Mrs Clinton and her chums hadn't used the sort of language as you, about a significant core of the electorate, she'd now be President. (sounds vaguely familiar)

Any well run campaign without the snotty arrogance would have beaten the Orange Faced Oaf comfortably. But no.

Americans of all ideological inclinations are genetically incapable of avoiding snotty arrogance. And you already knew that.
Secretary Clinton did indeed run a sloppy campaign, but the Clintons are Republican-Lites anyway. I voted for the Secretary holding my nose. I had supported Senator Sanders in the Democratic Primary.

Our Democratic Party is actually two parties trying to share the same tent.

I'm a Social Democrat. "Centrist" or "moderate" Democrats are light years to the right of your Tories.

Our Republicans are outright fascists who would be well subjected to a Stalinesque purge.

 

[Tashyboy]

Great Britain is a nuclear power and not in any way subservient to the US government.

Go back to the UK-Argentine War. The US was a member of both NATO (with the UK) AND The Organization of American States (with Argentina)
You did not worry about bringing troops to the Falkland Islands when we were technically required to physically oppose any attack on our hemisphere.

Evacuate Brits from Iran or don't as you see fit.

I think the main difference being the falklands being a British territory, I think if someone invaded Hawaii. There would rightly so be an outcry in America.

That aside, it’s a good job you never joined the forum when we were discussing Brexit and the general election. Some of the politicians discussed make Trump, look and sound like Einstein.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I guess if Mrs Clinton and her chums hadn't used the same sort of language as you, about a significant core of the electorate, she'd now be President. (sounds vaguely familiar)

Any well run campaign without the snotty arrogance would have beaten the Orange Faced Oaf comfortably. But no.

Careful - with calling Trump the OFO you’ll get pulled up for referring to the PotUS in a disparaging way...

 

[Tashyboy]

Careful - with calling Trump the OFO you’ll get pulled up for referring to the PotUS in a disparaging way...

with what the old Boomer said about POTUS I would suggest OFO ( whatever it means) is quite tame ?

 

[Dando]

Careful - with calling Trump the OFO you’ll get pulled up for referring to the PotUS in a disparaging way...

We all know that’s your job!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well can I just say congrats to Trump for his actions of stirring the biggest hornets nest in the world -

What is it with the stupid Yank Presidents that they feel they must be the worlds police

The world is unstable enough as it is without poking a very dangerous country in Iran - when this all kicks off I hope to god that NATO stay out of it and let the US go alone with any further conflicts in Iran and the Middle East - enough British blood was split following the last stupid yank president and I hope our PM doesn’t follow like a lapdog - oh it’s Boris ?‍

 

[williamalex1]

Well can I just say congrats to Trump for his actions of stirring the biggest hornets nest in the world -

What is it with the stupid Yank Presidents that they feel they must be the worlds police

The world is unstable enough as it is without poking a very dangerous country in Iran - when this all kicks off I hope to god that NATO stay out of it and let the US go alone with any further conflicts in Iran and the Middle East - enough British blood was split following the last stupid yank president and I hope our PM doesn’t follow like a lapdog - oh it’s Boris ?‍

I feared something like this from him, absolute madman, this will kick off big time .

 

[Old Skier]

Are some forum members actually suggesting that this action was taken on the say so of one man. The very same actions that Obama was looking at during his presidency.

 

[williamalex1]

Are some forum members actually suggesting that this action was taken on the say so of one man. The very same actions that Obama was looking at during his presidency.

No, but it couldn't have happened without his approval could it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are some forum members actually suggesting that this action was taken on the say so of one man. The very same actions that Obama was looking at during his presidency.

Trump is the exact sort of person to carry out this action on his own say so - either way it’s happened under his watch

As for Obama - I can’t recall it actually happening when he was President - can you confirm when it happened ?

 

[Old Skier]

Trump is the exact sort of person to carry out this action on his own say so - either way it’s happened under his watch

As for Obama - I can’t recall it actually happening when he was President - can you confirm when it happened ?

I said that Obama was looking at taking action against Iran, not he did.

As to your suggestion that the US might have taken this action on the say so of one man, you are obviously kidding.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I said that Obama was looking at taking action against Iran, not he did.

As to your suggestion that the US might have taken this action on the say so of one man, you are obviously kidding.

What exactly did Obama do against Iran ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/01/03/trump-obama-war-iran-093323

Or is it just normal Trumpisms ?

And yes there is no doubt Trump would have ordered the attack - is that too mad to think then ?

Are you that Pro Trump that you think this was a good thing he has just ordered ?

 

[drdel]

Well can I just say congrats to Trump for his actions of stirring the biggest hornets nest in the world -

What is it with the stupid Yank Presidents that they feel they must be the worlds police

The world is unstable enough as it is without poking a very dangerous country in Iran - when this all kicks off I hope to god that NATO stay out of it and let the US go alone with any further conflicts in Iran and the Middle East - enough British blood was split following the last stupid yank president and I hope our PM doesn’t follow like a lapdog - oh it’s Boris ?‍

The problem with a 'hornets nest' is if you leave it alone it will keep sending hornets to sting you. You either neutralise or eradicate it other wise casualties will just keep on rising.

These 'nations' are the origins of terrorist assaults that have injured and killed many Western people - how many deaths and casualties are we in the West prepared to accept and for how long?

Its all very well believing your enemies will obey the Geneva Convention but be warned those 'gentlemen's' agreements don't work against fanatics - left undeterred bullies/fanatics will just become more emboldened and dangerous over a increasingly wider geographic region

 

[Old Skier]

What exactly did Obama do against Iran ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/01/03/trump-obama-war-iran-093323

Or is it just normal Trumpisms ?

And yes there is no doubt Trump would have ordered the attack - is that too mad to think then ?

Are you that Pro Trump that you think this was a good thing he has just ordered ?

Are you on the Horlick again or just trying one of your trolling windups. Just try reading the posts.

Where have I said I was pro Trump.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The problem with a 'hornets nest' is if you leave it alone it will keep sending hornets to sting you. You either neutralise or eradicate it other wise casualties will just keep on rising.

These 'nations' are the origins of terrorist assaults that have injured and killed many Western people - how many deaths and casualties are we in the West prepared to accept and for how long?

Its all very well believing your enemies will obey the Geneva Convention but be warned those 'gentlemen's' agreements don't work against fanatics - left undeterred bullies/fanatics will just become more emboldened and dangerous over a increasingly wider geographic region

And how did it work out last time “Western Nations “ decided that they should neutralise or eradicate these “nations” ? What happened to both Iraq and Afghanistan ? How many further western people lost their lives because the US decided to “neutralise” a Middle East nation

And what do you think is going to happen now - they will have their revenge and then we will point fingers at them and it won’t be long before “boots on the ground “ .

Trump and his team and have made a monumental error in public by carrying out this attack which is as close to declaring war as you can get

I saw enough people lose their lives because the US and their “war on terror” - don’t want to see more lose their lives

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are you on the Horlick again or just trying one of your trolling windups. Just try reading the posts.

Where have I said I was pro Trump.

Because you appear to be attempting to justify the actions of Trump and bringing in Obama for some “whataboutary” even though Obama did zero military action against Iran

 

[Old Skier]

Because you appear to be attempting to justify the actions of Trump and bringing in Obama for some “whataboutary” even though Obama did zero military action against Iran

Where have I justified anything. Why is it when somebody posts something that doesn't fall into your way of thinking your use that stupid "whataboutary" quote.

My original statement stands, do you honestly believe that the attack was instigated by one man.

As to my Obama statement, your Google powers seem to be failing you.

 

[Wolf]

Because you appear to be attempting to justify the actions of Trump and bringing in Obama for some “whataboutary” even though Obama did zero military action against Iran

I think the point old Skier is making is that similar action was considered during Obama tenure for very simlar reasons that have now festered potentially forcing Trump's hand now.

If you think that decision was made purely by Trump alone without intelligence being gathered over time and with guidance from military leaders then you'd be very blind to looking at full facts yourself. Which I'd have thought you'd understand as former military man.

As for US war on terror thats merely a phrase they coined after 9/11 in retaliation for such an atrocity which any nation should respond to had it happened to them. The actual war on terror that other nations became embroiled in was because as a result of that attack NATO invoked Article 5 less than 24hrs after the attacks occured meaning member states had to come to the assistance of the US. Its not all down to one man, it never is theres always a collective decision involved. Whether you agree with tthe decisions to be involved or not is a totally different debate to that of who is singularly to blame for it all.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

How many further western people lost their lives because the US decided to “neutralise” a Middle East nation

Can't stand Trump, without doubt he's a very loose canon. However, I don't see the previous conflict as the problem, the problem was that after promising support and help because they were going to get stuck in, they didn't and left the mess behind them. Dont forget Saddam was supported with funds and hardware when he was fighting Iran when it suited them.
Gaddafi was a huge thorn, they took him out, screwed up the country and left the mess that it is now because they renaged on the promises made to help them.
The US is only interested in it's own borders and self, and nothing will change that.