Trial by TV

[bobmac]

Not wanting to hijack the other thread.
What would have happened if the tv viewer who called in the rule violation didn't do it until Saturday.
If PH had just made the cut, forcing 4 others to miss the cut, would they be called back after the DQ?
Or even worse if he won the event and the viewer called it in after cheques had been written and speeches made?
Your thoughts

 

[USER1999]

Can you imagine the engraver for the claret jug having to cross out a name, and put on a different one?

 

[znuffzz]

damn beaten to it!

this creates a dangerous precendce does it not. in the times this morning there also mention of a viewer phoning in and questioning whether another player moved a ball in abu dhabi (not PH but cant check as at desk at work and its generally frowned upon to be sat reading the golf news at the desk.)

Imagine if referees responded to members of the public phoning to say Lee Bowyer had just put the elbow in and the ref sent him off! it would be a national uproar!

for me the tournament officials should be tasked with doing this and any public monitoring of said should be ignored. the implications are endless, is it a member of another players family, is it a member of an asian gambling syndicate with money on another player?

i dont need to continue, you get the idea

 

[USER1999]

How long a time delay do you allow?

What if I am watching a rerun of the duel in the sun, and notice an infringement? Can I phone in and get a different winner?

 

[bobmac]

The was an incident, many many years ago, Leftie will probably remember when a player had a put to win The Open.
He putted up stone dead but marked it.
His opponent asked him to move his marker which he did to point B.
When it was his turn to sink the winning putt, he forgot he had moved his marker and holed out from point B.
Result?
As he was judged NOT to have gained any advantage, the putt was allowed and he won the Open.
Would that happen in modern golf?

 

[Bunkers]

This continued "Trial by TV" is likely to penalise the top Professionals most i.e. those who feature on TV the most frequently, thereby causing inequality in the way rules are applied in these events.

The only realistic way to prevent this is to ban this kind of reporting so that all players in the field are treated equally. Either that or have every player followed by their own personal TV crew and have a rules expert judge all footage.

All a bit coco-bananas if you ask me...

 

[Bacardibatman]

dunno about everyone else but im emailing to look at goosen yesterday on 17 yesterday i think picking something up off his line he pulled up ,tbh it looked like it was a spike mark not a lose impediment

*ok im going to do it cos im not a complete douche
(i dont have much of a life but im not that sad)

but wait til Ryder cup, im calling/tweeting /emailing about every single european/american shot (delete ur team allegiance) ...ok i wont be doing that either (for above reason*)...but u can guarantee that other ppl will be if they dont nip it in the bud quickly

make it so....
infringements Have be picked up by OFFICIALS, or it will become farcical

 

[robbest3offthetee]

Infringements should not be picked up by officials,the player has a duty to call a penalty on himself,thats why this game is so great,self regulation,if the player is not sure then bring in the official

 

[Bacardibatman]

what im saying player then officials

and if not by those then thats it



not by someone else watching it on some tv a squiilion miles away

 

[znuffzz]

^ how much have you got riding on it

 

[robbest3offthetee]

B,Totally agree if the player or his playing partners,or officials do not pick it up then so be it,there are enough eyes on the course never mind the people watching on tv...

 

[Ethan]

The was an incident, many many years ago, Leftie will probably remember when a player had a put to win The Open.
He putted up stone dead but marked it.
His opponent asked him to move his marker which he did to point B.
When it was his turn to sink the winning putt, he forgot he had moved his marker and holed out from point B.
Result?
As he was judged NOT to have gained any advantage, the putt was allowed and he won the Open.
Would that happen in modern golf?

Bobby Locke

 

[USER1999]

They probably made that ruling up so there were no cross outs on the jug.

 

[muttleee]

The was an incident, many many years ago, Leftie will probably remember when a player had a put to win The Open.
He putted up stone dead but marked it.
His opponent asked him to move his marker which he did to point B.
When it was his turn to sink the winning putt, he forgot he had moved his marker and holed out from point B.
Result?
As he was judged NOT to have gained any advantage, the putt was allowed and he won the Open.
Would that happen in modern golf?

It happened with Mark O'Meara in the Trophy Lancome in 1997, so yes it probably would.

 

[StrangelyBrown]

What about the super slow motion shots that have detected double hits and the like..? Should they be banned also?

 

[richart]

The was an incident, many many years ago, Leftie will probably remember when a player had a put to win The Open.
He putted up stone dead but marked it.
His opponent asked him to move his marker which he did to point B.
When it was his turn to sink the winning putt, he forgot he had moved his marker and holed out from point B.
Result?
As he was judged NOT to have gained any advantage, the putt was allowed and he won the Open.
Would that happen in modern golf?

Bobby Locke St Andrews 1957. Didn't you play in that one Bob ?

 

[SatchFan]

As I said in the other thread, if the players and the officials don't spot infringements at the time then that should be the end of it.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

At the end of the day it still comes down to the integrity of the players. You'll get incidents like Harrington and Poulters faux pas at the RTD and it should be down to them (Poulter did) to realise something may not be totally correct and ask what to do (if unsure) or just call a penalty and move on. Obviously there will always be serial offenders like Saltman but I can't see how anyone watching the coverage relayed to their front room is any position to say with absolute clarity what did and didn't happen.

I agree that it sets a precedent for malicious calls, and has implications not only with people missing cuts but ultimately keeping their card. It seems to have become an epidemic on both sides of the Atlantic in recent years and something needs to be done now to nip this before a serious error is made costing someone an event.

 

[freddielong]

Golf is a game where you play by the rules no matter if you are playing by yourself or being watched by 100 million, if in doubt check, Paddy has been around long enough to have known better, such a shame as he was playing well.

 

[freddielong]

As I said in the other thread, if the players and the officials don't spot infringements at the time then that should be the end of it.

A bit like in football where you can dive for a penalty and if you get it thats fine