Traditional or modern?

I've got a Skycaddy SGX which is deemed to be one of the best available and I have to say it really helps when I'm playing either new or different courses to my own as it saves having to hunt out distances markers (discs on the fairways, stakes at the fairway sides etc) and then having to pace back to my ball. I don't use it on my home course as I'm comfortable with my distances seeing as I play it so often.

I don't think it gives me any advantage in my playing but it certainly does speed up my game and stops me having to keep glancing back behind and check that I'm not holding play up for anyone following behind (the main reason for this is poorly marked out tee locations).
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Why pace though? surely you know what 10 or 20 yards etc looks like roughly?
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Sometimes hard to judge 10 or 20 yards when your knee deep, off piste in rough where the greenstaff rarely visit :o
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Being a yard or two out in your measurements makes a difference when you're going for the pin. I'm all for GPS ( cant afford a real one so use an App on my phone)
Anything that helps me get closer gets my vote (apert from kicking my ball along the ground....)
 
For the sake of discussion, do you always tend to shoot at the flag? May I ask your handicap?
For most of us golfers outside 100 yards we don't need to know exactly to the inch because we are not consistent enough to be able to do it.
If I was stood 125 or 127 yards from the flag would it matter? Course it wouldn't, getting it into the green is the most important first commandment.
 
Yawn....

And a GPS wont give it to the inch either....

Brendy, It's your choice that you don't want a GPS - I'm fine with that. But if others think they're getting an advantage - even if it is only knowing how far they are from something - then that's your problem. You're the one choosing to not use any perceived advantage.
Why do you use the clubs that you use..?
Because they give you an advantage over using other clubs that don't suit you. Could you get the same performance from a set of Dunlops from Sports Direct compared to your AP2's - of course not. You use the AP2's because they give you an advantage. You're the poor Guy who plays with the Dunlops - I've got the AP2's.........
 

Being a yard or two out in your measurements makes a difference when you're going for the pin.
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No it doesnt , maybe for that chap jason that does be on here . if i put one of the driving range baskets 75yards away from you , exactly 75 to the mm, how many would you get in out of 18 balls ? use a gps or dont, up to you but if you can hit to within a yard every time your better than most pros, never mind us hackers :D
 
Yawn....

And a GPS wont give it to the inch either....

Brendy, It's your choice that you don't want a GPS - I'm fine with that. But if others think they're getting an advantage - even if it is only knowing how far they are from something - then that's your problem. You're the one choosing to not use any perceived advantage.
Why do you use the clubs that you use..?
Because they give you an advantage over using other clubs that don't suit you. Could you get the same performance from a set of Dunlops from Sports Direct compared to your AP2's - of course not. You use the AP2's because they give you an advantage. You're the poor Guy who plays with the Dunlops - I've got the AP2's.........
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awwwww ive got dunlops (2 sets in fact ) :(




BUT MINE ARE BRILLIANT!!!!! :) lol
 
For most of us golfers outside 100 yards we don't need to know exactly to the inch because we are not consistent enough to be able to do it.
If I was stood 125 or 127 yards from the flag would it matter? Course it wouldn't, getting it into the green is the most important first commandment.
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I agree with that. I think the tolerance is probably about 5 yards for most amateurs where they don't really have control... If an amateur hits a 7 iron 150 yards on average, for example, and you asked them to choke back on it and hit 145, how many of them could manage that? Not many is my bet. I'd bet most of them would actually hit it about 135-140 by over-compensating.
 
Yawn....

And a GPS wont give it to the inch either....

Brendy, It's your choice that you don't want a GPS - I'm fine with that. But if others think they're getting an advantage - even if it is only knowing how far they are from something - then that's your problem. You're the one choosing to not use any perceived advantage.
Why do you use the clubs that you use..?
Because they give you an advantage over using other clubs that don't suit you. Could you get the same performance from a set of Dunlops from Sports Direct compared to your AP2's - of course not. You use the AP2's because they give you an advantage. You're the poor Guy who plays with the Dunlops - I've got the AP2's.........
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No, you are the rich guy that changes his irons all the time while I make a decision and stick with it :D
Btw short term I reckon as long ad the shafts were usable I could get by just fine if I had dunlops.
People approach golf in many ways, mine is to learn to fix flaws in my game, others buy and buy but never seem to get better. My 5w for instance, 16 years old, original grip and shaft, goes great, should I potentially ruin my long game by purchasing a new super duper forgiving club that might actually be detrimental and take my mind of my basic swing thoughts?
 
For most of us golfers outside 100 yards we don't need to know exactly to the inch because we are not consistent enough to be able to do it.
If I was stood 125 or 127 yards from the flag would it matter? Course it wouldn't, getting it into the green is the most important first commandment.
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I agree with that. I think the tolerance is probably about 5 yards for most amateurs where they don't really have control... If an amateur hits a 7 iron 150 yards on average, for example, and you asked them to choke back on it and hit 145, how many of them could manage that? Not many is my bet. I'd bet most of them would actually hit it about 135-140 by over-compensating.
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All this talk about consistency and whether you're 125 or 127 from the pin is missing the whole point. I agree, most amateurs couldn't hit the ball 146 yards if their lives depended on it. Knowing a yardage doesn't hit the shot for you. All you are doing with GPS, yardage markers or strokesavers is determining that yardage. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a means of determining a yardage.
Fragger has a GPS. He can glance at it quickly and know he has 135 yards to the middle of the green. He can then select the club that he thinks he's going to hit 135 yards.

Whether or not he makes it is irrelevent to the discussion about GPS. All his SC2.5 has done is told him how far he has to hit the ball. Which is exactly what your brain, a Yardage marker or a strokesaver will do. What's wrong with that...? The TeeBox on a par 3 has a yardage on it. 167 yards. Is that wrong too...?
 
My 5w for instance, 16 years old, original grip and shaft, goes great, should I potentially ruin my long game by purchasing a new super duper forgiving club that might actually be detrimental and take my mind of my basic swing thoughts?
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Absolutely not Mate!!

But that's your choice.......

If you wanted to buy a 910 F because you thought it could save you a shot or two then I'm sure you would.

That's my point.
 
Imurg, my last comemnt was not specifically about GPS. As you say, if a tee box says 145, most amateurs, if between clubs, would not really know how to drop 5 yards off a club. So we sort of agree on that!

And that's why I don't object to people using them. I don't think what they do for a player constitutes a big enough advantage to make them "unfair"
 
They are not electronic books by the way. They are real time distance devices.
Stroke savers are there to show you general yardages and bunkers etc in the distance that you may not see from the tee/fairway etc. they dont give you exact yardage from anywhere on the course which is where the argument comes in that you should have to figure out your yardage yourself when you miss the fairway.
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So a Strokesaver is to just so "general" yardages, to show you "approximately" where hazards are.....

Get real Brendy!!

A GPS does exactly what a strokesaver does - exactly!! It just does it without you having to work out which tree is pictured on the strokesave and are you next to it or not.

If DMD's are "not in the Spirit of the game(God I hate that phrase!)" then nor are yardage markes at 100, 200, 150 or whatever, nor are yardages marked on sprinkler heads or any yardage information at the tee or on the scorecard. Ban the Strokesaver - it can tell you how far to the green when you're off the fairway too.........

In your piece in the Mag you refered to Darts and how that has remained the same - FFS Brendy, you're chucking sharpened bits of metal at a board - how can that move with the times? Golf has it's areas that have remained since day 1 - get the ball in the hole....

Do you use a Sat-Nav? What's wrong with a Map....?
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The only thing I would disagree in that is that the 50 100 150 markers are there for everyone to see and use. Having a gps it can become a bit for the person who has the extra to play the game to gain one of these. If I cant afford a gps then am I at a disadvantage to those who can afford one which makes the game easier as has been said by those that use one?

Interesting points about the whole pacing it out. Are you seriously telling me if you turned up to a club and forgot your gps or it ran out of battery that you would go pace every shot out? I doubt you would in fact I dont think I have ever seen anyone on a course go pace a shot out and find a yardage that way?
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Jammag

In response to you questioning if I'd pace the yardage out if I forgot my GPS, well the answer is no I wouldn't but many a time I've had to go walkabout to try and find the distance marker discs in the middle of the fairway as they're not visible from off the fairway and they don't have the marker posts at the edge of the fairways.

It must be a pain for you to hear someone shout the precise yardage just as your getting ready to take your shot (something I never do unless requested by the way) but it's amazing the amount of times I'm asked for distances by playing partners who don't carry GPS units (not in comps of course) :D
 
They are not electronic books by the way. They are real time distance devices.
Stroke savers are there to show you general yardages and bunkers etc in the distance that you may not see from the tee/fairway etc. they dont give you exact yardage from anywhere on the course which is where the argument comes in that you should have to figure out your yardage yourself when you miss the fairway.
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So a Strokesaver is to just so "general" yardages, to show you "approximately" where hazards are.....

Get real Brendy!!

A GPS does exactly what a strokesaver does - exactly!! It just does it without you having to work out which tree is pictured on the strokesave and are you next to it or not.

If DMD's are "not in the Spirit of the game(God I hate that phrase!)" then nor are yardage markes at 100, 200, 150 or whatever, nor are yardages marked on sprinkler heads or any yardage information at the tee or on the scorecard. Ban the Strokesaver - it can tell you how far to the green when you're off the fairway too.........

In your piece in the Mag you refered to Darts and how that has remained the same - FFS Brendy, you're chucking sharpened bits of metal at a board - how can that move with the times? Golf has it's areas that have remained since day 1 - get the ball in the hole....

Do you use a Sat-Nav? What's wrong with a Map....?
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The only thing I would disagree in that is that the 50 100 150 markers are there for everyone to see and use. Having a gps it can become a bit for the person who has the extra to play the game to gain one of these. If I cant afford a gps then am I at a disadvantage to those who can afford one which makes the game easier as has been said by those that use one?

Interesting points about the whole pacing it out. Are you seriously telling me if you turned up to a club and forgot your gps or it ran out of battery that you would go pace every shot out? I doubt you would in fact I dont think I have ever seen anyone on a course go pace a shot out and find a yardage that way?
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Jammag

In response to you questioning if I'd pace the yardage out if I forgot my GPS, well the answer is no I wouldn't but many a time I've had to go walkabout to try and find the distance marker discs in the middle of the fairway as they're not visible from off the fairway and they don't have the marker posts at the edge of the fairways.

It must be a pain for you to hear someone shout the precise yardage just as your getting ready to take your shot (something I never do unless requested by the way) but it's amazing the amount of times I'm asked for distances by playing partners who don't carry GPS units (not in comps of course) :D
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nothing wrong with giving yardage in comps . is there ?
 
Don't see how it's any different to a caddy walking the course and measuring distances from certain points they know their man might be in and writing it down. Or any different to the players using lasers during practice rounds and marking down the information.

Yardage information is allowed, how you obtain it is entirely up to you as long as it's within the rules.
 
ive just played my 4th round this week... the first 3 were all at the local muni as my course was shut. Several of the 150 markers were missing, there were no 100yd markers, and to top it off, I forgot my GPS on all 3 rounds. I managed to shoot sub par twice, and 1 over on the other. I played at my own course today and remembered my GPS. I shot 4 under. Did the GPS help? Not as much as you might think. The only time I checked it was on shots when the yardage was "iffy". To be honest, I probably saved more shots by using a Pro V1, some JPX800's and a beautifully made Mizuno putter. Do I "need" the GPS? No...Do I like having one? Yes.. If you don't want one. then don't buy one... Its no skin off my nose.. But dont waste my time complaining when I use mine, whilst leaning on your R11, stroking your Pro V1, and looking lovingly at your Scotty Cameron...
 
I hear Brendys argument about most amateur golfers not being able to hit the exact yardage, but I would counter that by asking what about courses with large greens where the difference between front and back could be 30+ yards. That could be one or two clubs depending on conditions and GPS is able to give you that easily, and quickly.

It's clear there are some like Brendy that simply don't agree with GPS and thats fine. However I'm firmly in the FOR camp and the biggest asset for me is from within 120 yards. I can decide accurately which the best wedge to use is and decide whether I need a full or shorter swing. Either way I've become far more accurate.
 
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