Trackman stats.

[the_coach]

Brilliant, thought I was heading back to the drawing board after tonights drives, now I've really got not to much to worry about, just set up as normal.

How did I think a 4 degree AoA was optimal ??

depends to a large extent on what chs is bein generated along with importantly the 'quality of centered strike' (+ the other launch condition numbers) as to whether whatever chs produced is then bein efficiently transferred to ball speed

if the 4º AoA is the average across 10 or more consecutive drives then at 101mph chs with all other launch criteria being optimum particularly LA/dynamice loft & spin loft then you got a fighting chance of having optimum carry distance

 

[Parsaregood]

You can just use track man with the optimizers on and see what needs improving. My drives are actually optimised even though i hit -1 attack angle because of other things i make up for that 'flaw' with. I prefer just to play golf though lol you could waste your time in all honesty trying to perfect numbers on trackman, great for some things but could be dangerous to your game if not used wisely

 

[User101]

depends to a large extent on what chs is bein generated along with importantly the 'quality of centered strike' (+ the other launch condition numbers) as to whether whatever chs produced is then bein efficiently transferred to ball speed

if the 4º AoA is the average across 10 or more consecutive drives then at 101mph chs with all other launch criteria being optimum particularly LA/dynamice loft & spin loft then you got a fighting chance of having optimum carry distance

Dynamic loft ave was 13.7, spin loft 13.2, but my AoA ave was only 0.5

 

[User101]

great for some things but could be dangerous to your game if not used wisely

Absolutely, as proved tonight thinking I had an issue with AoA, result was a couple of big over draws.

 

[Parsaregood]

Are you using track man with a coach, if not I'd suggest doing so because it can be a pretty windy road with deadends if you don't really know what your looking for

 

[User101]

Are you using track man with a coach, if not I'd suggest doing so because it can be a pretty windy road with deadends if you don't really know what your looking for

I was just using it for gapping, it wasn't til I got my email through that I started analysing it all, bit f a gook when it comes to that, but no I won't be reading too much in to is, like you I just want to play golf but like to know some stats.

 

[Parsaregood]

I'd say for the average guy leave the thinking to your coach or just for yardages lol I float between plus1 and scratch n I pay very little attention to track man numbers

 

[Deleted member 21258]

On the monitor I normally swing driver around 1 up AOA, but with changing my setup/thoughts I can normally get it to 2-3(sometimes 4) up AOA and subject massively with strike/spin/club open/path etc I can squeeze out some more carry, at a guess 10-20 yards for like for like conditions (but my swing is very irregular so hard to compare similar shots).

Try different setups to see if you can vary the AOA, like moving the hips forward on setup, angle the left shoulder higher, kept weight back a bit on the downswing or just thinking hit up with the arms though the bottom part of the swing. Even vary it the other way to launch it lower into wind, for instance. Its interesting to play around with it. Some things may work for you and some may not.

One thing I would mention is on a normal dry course, you actually see very little difference in where the ball ends up rolling out to between the two kind of swings, unless it is winter or a hazard to carry. This maybe different in Scotland on a parkland course as the fairways are probably wetter for longer, so maxing carry would be a good thing.

 

[nickjdavis]

Lpga players also don't hit it as far and hence need to optimise distance, men don't tend to have the same distance issues women do

Amateur male club golfers would find it more useful if they compared themselves to LPGA golfers....far more commonality in swingspeeds and required launch conditions than with the male pros.

https://blog.trackmangolf.com/2017-pga-lpga-tour-avg/

 

[Slime]

Every player is different

With a driver it’s generally considered a positive AoA such as +1 to +5.

Path slightly in to out with a slightly closed face to promote a draw. This is optional however.

Spin, low 2000 to late 1000 is good.

Surely that'll end up in a hook?
The ball will start left and then spin further left.
With an in to out path, you don't need a closed face to promote a draw as the club head path does that.
The club face just promotes the initial line the ball takes before the spin affects it's flight, as far as I'm aware.
Quite happy to be told I'm wrong though, just don't yet think I am!
Preparing to be shot down in flames!

 

[patricks148]

no idea, not very good i'd imagine esp by the look on they TM guys face at the fitting day last week when i told him my Handicap:rofl::rofl:

 

[the_coach]

think that any confusion over the launch conditions for a draw (or a fade) are around where the face angle direction & path direction is relative to target

to hit a draw the face angle needs to be a tad closed to the path (or swing direction) but that still means the face angle is open to the ball/target line

so as ball park figures (always speaking to a centered strike) the ratio of path to face angle for a draw would be as a guide 2:1

meaning a path in to out of 3º with a face to path angle of -1.5º (face to path is relative to face angle & club path not relative to target line - for a rh the negative face to path represents a face angle that is 'closed' to the path)
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[MendieGK]

Surely that'll end up in a hook?
The ball will start left and then spin further left.
With an in to out path, you don't need a closed face to promote a draw as the club head path does that.
The club face just promotes the initial line the ball takes before the spin affects it's flight, as far as I'm aware.
Quite happy to be told I'm wrong though, just don't yet think I am!
Preparing to be shot down in flames!

Closed to path. Path open, face closed - Draw

 

[brendy]

So +6 or +7 AOA is a bit much?

 

[xreyuk]

Surely that'll end up in a hook?
The ball will start left and then spin further left.
With an in to out path, you don't need a closed face to promote a draw as the club head path does that.
The club face just promotes the initial line the ball takes before the spin affects it's flight, as far as I'm aware.
Quite happy to be told I'm wrong though, just don't yet think I am!
Preparing to be shot down in flames!

In to out is like a ‘push’, so if you hit it with a square face, the ball goes straight right. Hitting it with a slightly closed club face puts side spin on the ball. So the ball starts out to the right, and draws back into the centre.

If you where to have a neutral swing, with a closed club face, then the ball will start straight and draw left.

A hook generally happens when the face is too closed, or you swing out to in, with a closed club face.

The key to a draw is ‘slightly closed’ club face compared to path.

 

[LCW]

In to out is like a ‘push’, so if you hit it with a square face, the ball goes straight right. Hitting it with a slightly closed club face puts side spin on the ball. So the ball starts out to the right, and draws back into the centre.

If you where to have a neutral swing, with a closed club face, then the ball will start straight and draw left.

A hook generally happens when the face is too closed, or you swing out to in, with a closed club face.

I am reading this as some correct information followed by you contradicting yourself.

If you where to have a neutral swing, with a closed club face, then the ball will start straight and draw left.

Not really. If you mean neutral swing as 0.0 club path to target then a closed face to that path (lets say 3.0 closed) would start the ball left of target and the path being to the right of that club face would promote a draw shot starting left ( because of the club face to target and moving/draw missing left because of the path being to the right of the club face). Thats if we are referencing your starting line as zero which is a fundamental piece of information.

Unless I have missed something what are you referencing as zero? I could stand 45 degrees closed to a target of zero, "swing left" and cut the ball or draw the ball depending on my face angle to that path. Trackman/ GC2 would still show me an in to out swing path relative to my target line of zero.

Its extremely easy to over complicate the ball flight laws IMO, its confusing to people by just saying closed face/open face promotes X shape as it all has to be relative to some constant i.e. your target line, what is your zero!

I play with a guy who works it round the course with a pull draw (in simple terms) (Ive seen his trackman numbers) so just aims way right to compensate. If he aimed straight to his intending target and makes his normal move then he swings "left" according to data and it would start left and go even further left.

A hook generally happens when the face is too closed, or you swing out to in, with a closed club face

Face is too closed to what ? I hit a draw and I promise you my face is open. The key here is my face is open to my target because it has to be to start the ball to the right of my target. I happen to swing even further right of my face to get the curvature back towards target.

I wont even get into AOA and how that factors into club path

 

[Slime]

I hit a draw and I promise you my face is open. The key here is my face is open to my target because it has to be to start the ball to the right of my target. I happen to swing even further right of my face to get the curvature back towards target.

Ball flight laws in a nutshell :thup:.

 

[3565]

Go to trackman university. Test yourself on there. It's mind boggling.