To Cock or NOT To Cock?

[sev112]

I felt the videos would be more beneficial from a side position rather than behind to clarify the straight wrists, I appreciate it was only a promo vid.

Hi Goldenbare
Noted and i agree a side on vid would be very good, as wuold be an overhead one, and actually if you examine several of the video swings on the site i am sure that he is getting some wrist cock in there because it just is difficult in nature to not do so;

i haven't just taken his thoughts/theory on blindly. I am a professional engineer who specialises in theoretical mechanics so i get a bit of a weird buzz from analysing the physic, biomechanics (and statistics) of golf, and i just found that this idea clicked with a lot of the thoughts i had, and has done me very well in the past year so far.


Conversely, if anyone is interested in a really good (but highly theoretical) analysis of the swing and the benefits of really well timed wrist cock, then look up Theo Jorgensen's book "The physics of Golf". He certainly espouses the importance and benefit of wrist ciock at the right time , and most importantly of just letting it happen in the backswing and downswing. (he also points out some flaws/concerns in club fitting which are quite sensible).


There you go - i can see both sides of the argument

 

[JustOne]

I am a professional engineer who specialises in theoretical mechanics so i get a bit of a weird buzz from analysing the physic, biomechanics (and statistics) of golf, and i just found that this idea clicked with a lot of the thoughts i had,

Well you got me interested! You don't think that guy cocks his wrists at all?

 

[goldenbare]

[/QUOTE] then look up Theo Jorgensen's book "The physics of Golf".

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sev, I was brass instrumental teacher and tried to take on the "physiology of Brass playing" by one of the leading players/teachers. Didn't understand a word of it. Frustratingly I found the best players were the ones that did it without thinking about it, just like golf.

 

[sev112]

You don't think that guy cocks his wrists at all?

i think he does, but a lot less than most, and the actual point he makes is that (even if he does cock on the backswing) he suggests that he doesn't release on teh downswing. Which is a subtle difference to what we are talking about in teh thread in terms of cocking on the backswing.

Anyway, i'm not exactly an apostle of the theory, just that his system started me thinking about the problems with cockinga nd release and it went from there.

 

[JustOne]

You don't think that guy cocks his wrists at all?

i think he does, but a lot less than most, and the actual point he makes is that (even if he does cock on the backswing) he suggests that he doesn't release on teh downswing.

Ah right, well I don't release on the downswing either.

During the swing I maintain the angle I created at address... well it actually INCREASES (lag) which means that the wrists MUST actually cock albeit less than someone might think they need to.

The club 'releases' after the ball but it is an extension of the arms and not a collapsing of the left wrist.

In summary it's not a flip release or a rolling of the wrists, it's an extension into/through the ball.

I quite like this vid... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cyWGHfudzs I think that's where you're coming from?

 

[sev112]

During the swing I maintain the angle I created at address... well it actually INCREASES (lag) which means that the wrists MUST actually cock albeit less than someone might think they need to.

The club 'releases' after the ball but it is an extension of the arms and not a collapsing of the left wrist.

In summary it's not a flip release or a rolling of the wrists, it's an extension into/through the ball.

yep - i can certainly understand that - i think it just shows there are several ways of swinging the club and hitting the ball