Pinseeker
Club Champion
Yes i did see the incident but it was hardly a tantrum! his club didn't break like mine when i done it!!
Tiger tantrum
- Thread starter Tommo21
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Yes i did see the incident but it was hardly a tantrum! his club didn't break like mine when i done it!!
minty18
Tour Rookie
It wasnt a reaction to where the ball finished up, it was a reaction the the swing he put in. The commentry team even commented that it was his worst swing of the round so far when it happened.
On a brighter note, did anyone see the spectator who got done by a cactus? what a lemon!
On a brighter note, did anyone see the spectator who got done by a cactus? what a lemon!
KeefG
Journeyman Pro
have you ever heard Tiger rant & rave at a photographer saying "dont forget you're here because of me ok, remember that"?
Tiger & Monty's temperaments are two entirely different concepts!
bobmac
Major Champion
Did anyone ever see Nicklaus, Palmer, Player etc slam clubs.
I agree, its setting a bad example to the juniors of the game
minty18
Tour Rookie
So what if you kid slams his club into the ground in reaction to a bad shot? You dont want him settling for mediocrity (sp.). I see this as a sign of striving to excel in the sport.
Does your son watch footy? i'm sure he's seen players swear, or beat the ground after missing a shot? thats no different surely.
Does your son watch footy? i'm sure he's seen players swear, or beat the ground after missing a shot? thats no different surely.
KeefG
Journeyman Pro
I agree 110%, slamming your club into the ground is hardly a bad thing is it?
It becomes a different matter entirely however if you start flinging clubs about, swearing, jumping up and down and generally being an arse.
For gods sake he slammed his club into the ground, in what i'd consider to be a controlled manner, whats the big issue?
minty18
Tour Rookie
Agreed Keef, aslong as thats as far as it goes i cant see whats wrong with it and lets face it Tigers not going to start swearing and smashing the place up. Sorry to keep banging on about Footy but in one game you'll see fans swearing and making hand signs at players, you'll see players showing no respect for a referee and swearing aswell as kicking out at other players and beating the turf.
toonarmy
Q-School Graduate
[/QUOTE]Substitute Tiger for Monty, and suddenly the tone of the coverage changes 180°, THAT's what gets on my tits. It's the double standards involved in everything that tiger does.
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Ne'er a truer word said.
And as for the 'greatest golfer to have ever played' tag, I still don't buy it. The world's best pitch 'n' putter definitely. Let's see how he gets on when they change the grooves on the wedges...
And I still say he'd have been nowhere playing in the 70s with that standard of equipment but I guess we'll never know.
I don't think the Marmite comparison is fair. Yes, half of the world seem to think his poo don't pong, but I don't think the other half hate him. I couldn't care less about the bloke frankly but I do hate the attention he gets, the hyperbole and the fact that when he plays, no-one else seems to matter. These aren't his fault. When someone like Bill Elliot can't go an article without mentioning him, even if it's got nowt to do with Woods, you know there is a media coverage problem.
The Hogan comparison made earlier is all the evidence you need to put this ridiculous reporting of his recovery into perspective. Dallaglio spannered his ACL on the Lions tour and was back playing Test rugby in the same timescale as Woods is playing golf and don't try and tell me that compares!
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Ne'er a truer word said.
And as for the 'greatest golfer to have ever played' tag, I still don't buy it. The world's best pitch 'n' putter definitely. Let's see how he gets on when they change the grooves on the wedges...
And I still say he'd have been nowhere playing in the 70s with that standard of equipment but I guess we'll never know.
I don't think the Marmite comparison is fair. Yes, half of the world seem to think his poo don't pong, but I don't think the other half hate him. I couldn't care less about the bloke frankly but I do hate the attention he gets, the hyperbole and the fact that when he plays, no-one else seems to matter. These aren't his fault. When someone like Bill Elliot can't go an article without mentioning him, even if it's got nowt to do with Woods, you know there is a media coverage problem.
The Hogan comparison made earlier is all the evidence you need to put this ridiculous reporting of his recovery into perspective. Dallaglio spannered his ACL on the Lions tour and was back playing Test rugby in the same timescale as Woods is playing golf and don't try and tell me that compares!
Tommo21
Tour Winner
You’re right it is no different and that’s where the problem is. You’re comparing this great gentlemanly sport with football, a game that is full of overpaid cheats, divers, manipulators, bigots, adulterers and intimidators. If more and more players do this it will be the norm and then what will be the next step.
Not slamming the club on the ground does not mean you’re settling for mediocrity.
minty18
Tour Rookie
Toon, the knee recovery thing has nothing to do with it for me. I dont care if he's been out for 8 months. I just think he's the best golfer in the world at the moment (not of all time though, i've never said that).
The media hype that follows him really doesnt bother me, if someone comes up through the ranks and wins loads of events i'm sure they will then take the attention away.
Tommo, i understand the comparison I have made and I still stand by my point that its over nothing and actually when the thread first started i though it was hardly worth discussing.
If the cameras did manage to follow another group i'm sure you'd see it from alot of other pro's, problem is they are fixed on tiger all the time so it looks like he is the only one to do it. I bet atleast 5 players showed some disregard for the course in one way or another yesterday but we didnt see it. obviously thats not a fact but i still bet it happened.
The media hype that follows him really doesnt bother me, if someone comes up through the ranks and wins loads of events i'm sure they will then take the attention away.
Tommo, i understand the comparison I have made and I still stand by my point that its over nothing and actually when the thread first started i though it was hardly worth discussing.
If the cameras did manage to follow another group i'm sure you'd see it from alot of other pro's, problem is they are fixed on tiger all the time so it looks like he is the only one to do it. I bet atleast 5 players showed some disregard for the course in one way or another yesterday but we didnt see it. obviously thats not a fact but i still bet it happened.
Macster
Journeyman Pro
Since you mentioned it - pro football is an absolute disgrace, and could be responsible in some part for the appalling attitudes of some of the young nowadays.
Something seemed to start last year after Cashley Cole grabbed that ref, but that seemed to finish as quick to be forgotten again.
Just why the hell doesnt the FA bring in measures to stamp it out completely in a matter of weeks ?
Adopt the same rules as RU and the matter is sorted.
If anyone speaks to the ref other than the captain, its 10yds, or sin bin, or Off. Simple as.
Dive ? Off. Difficult to always detect at the time perhaps, so retrospective bans after TV reviews.
Even a fan of MU like myself would be quite happy for Mr Greaseball himself to be banned for 3 games after that dive against Inter on tues nt.
Tiger can be very petulant, maybe others too, but its not acceptable in any way, and despite what some of you say, it shouldnt be tolerated, particularly from the Pro's, who set an example to all.
To be honest, i get fed up of watching him, and apart from Monty, there is no-one that I would more like to see beaten,....by anyone !
Something seemed to start last year after Cashley Cole grabbed that ref, but that seemed to finish as quick to be forgotten again.
Just why the hell doesnt the FA bring in measures to stamp it out completely in a matter of weeks ?
Adopt the same rules as RU and the matter is sorted.
If anyone speaks to the ref other than the captain, its 10yds, or sin bin, or Off. Simple as.
Dive ? Off. Difficult to always detect at the time perhaps, so retrospective bans after TV reviews.
Even a fan of MU like myself would be quite happy for Mr Greaseball himself to be banned for 3 games after that dive against Inter on tues nt.
Tiger can be very petulant, maybe others too, but its not acceptable in any way, and despite what some of you say, it shouldnt be tolerated, particularly from the Pro's, who set an example to all.
To be honest, i get fed up of watching him, and apart from Monty, there is no-one that I would more like to see beaten,....by anyone !
Tommo21
Tour Winner
I thought what Tiger done was over nothing. It's no big deal but I dont think it has a place in this game.
bobmac
Major Champion
I disagree. It's just their inability to control their temper and possible frustration, and please do not compare football with golf. 2 different sports.
I still stand by my point. Nicklaus never slammed a club and did he settle for mediocrity?
Now HE IS an example to follow
minty18
Tour Rookie
Nicklaus beats his wife though!
Ok thats not a fact either, infact i just made that up. Look Nicklaus is or was the model pro however I think hitting your club into the ground is controlled anger. There has to be some form of release surely?
Throwing your club, wacking something or breaking something with it is not controlled.
Shall we agree to dis-agree?
Ok thats not a fact either, infact i just made that up. Look Nicklaus is or was the model pro however I think hitting your club into the ground is controlled anger. There has to be some form of release surely?
Throwing your club, wacking something or breaking something with it is not controlled.
Shall we agree to dis-agree?
minty18
Tour Rookie
i'd just like to add...
I hope i'm not annoying anyone or winding them up with these comments, these are just simply my views on the matter.
Minty
I hope i'm not annoying anyone or winding them up with these comments, these are just simply my views on the matter.
Minty
bobmac
Major Champion
Ok, but as a pro who teaches kids to play, I also teach them how to behave and if they mis-behave, they go home.
minty18
Tour Rookie
Would u send a kid home if he thinned a shot then hit his club in to the ground in disgust?
KeefG
Journeyman Pro
Minty....i'm with you 110% on this fella.
Times are a changing, golf is played by a different generation to that of Jack & his buddies. Look at the youth of today (jeeeez how old do i sound? lol) compared to the youth of then?
To go back to the football comparison, look at footballers from the 60's & 70's etc and their behaviour is a million times better than that of todays prima donna's.
I see Tigers act of controlled anger perfectly acceptable, however as i mentioned earlier that is all that can be accepted, Tiger is human afterall and not a soulless robot.
Monty's rants at sound technicians etc are all a bit OTT for me and is going that step too far, what Tiger, and probably hundreds more pro's do, is completely acceptable <u>in this day & age</u>
Times are a changing, golf is played by a different generation to that of Jack & his buddies. Look at the youth of today (jeeeez how old do i sound? lol) compared to the youth of then?
To go back to the football comparison, look at footballers from the 60's & 70's etc and their behaviour is a million times better than that of todays prima donna's.
I see Tigers act of controlled anger perfectly acceptable, however as i mentioned earlier that is all that can be accepted, Tiger is human afterall and not a soulless robot.
Monty's rants at sound technicians etc are all a bit OTT for me and is going that step too far, what Tiger, and probably hundreds more pro's do, is completely acceptable <u>in this day & age</u>
bobmac
Major Champion
Minty, they get one warning. If they do it again they go home. They all know the rules and btw, I've never had to send anyone home yet. 
Do the USPGA have a fine system like they do in tennis for racket abuse?
I know it wouldn't bother whatshisname with all his millions, but might discourage others though
Do the USPGA have a fine system like they do in tennis for racket abuse?
I know it wouldn't bother whatshisname with all his millions, but might discourage others though
viscount17
Money List Winner
rubbish! it's accepting this as the norm that is making these behaviours so prevalent.
