The world of golf is being held back

[justagolfer]

As my last post was removed I would like to ask this question of David M or anyone else who cares to give an opinion..

David wrote " He is just the type of stuffed shirt that has held golf back for so many years. "

This is genuine and serious question……Yes I am a traditionalist when it comes to golf.. and life.. That is a given.

Good etiquette, decent manners, smart appearance, clean kit, especially shoes, etc,etc,

So David “ what is this world of golf “ you are being held back from, because of attitudes like mine.

I look forward to hearing from you… all

 

[Swinger]

The Thead was moved to the website feedback section as this one probably will be.

Attitudes like yours?

Well I can only speak from my experiences but attitudes like yours love things to be just right while failing at several areas yourselves.

Smart clothes? Brought from Tesco, cheap but does the job, right? So much for supporting your local pro. There is that one jumper with the club logo that gets aired far too much and past its sell by date years ago, not that you brought that from the pro but got a cheap one embriodered where he gets his done.

Decent manners? Won't say anything on course to anybody but then expect everyone else you mention it to, to then jump. Haven't realised this doesn't work as much as you'd like yet? maybe you should take the bull by the horns get on committee or club management.

Clean kit? This may have come from a pro but they are more than likely older than the current assistant. Probably illegal in some instances too.

All I see is the ageing member who thinks that his £???? gives him god like power to have everything just his way, but not a penny more.

You should have got involved in politics or become a rock star as you'd get that feeling without having to play golf.

Supporting the club (not just by being present, that doesn't count) is something you don't seem to have high on your list.

Pointing out to people the error of their ways, doesn't always work perfectly but that itch needs to be scratched right. If people keep telling you where to go then maybe you need to work on something yourself, personal skills.


Well done on the clean shoes though.

 

[User20205]

Gilbert

no one on here will disagree that certain standards have to be up held in Golf. Self regulation of rules, a dress code etc. However it's how those subjective standards are enforced that is an issue.

Pay a visit to any typical members club and count the number of signs telling patrons not to ...

to give a real example of this kind of enforcement wear a hat, or a pair of jeans in the same typical clubhouse and see what kind of reaction you get.

Golf has to move with the times & encorporate modern attitudes, this doesn't mean revolution, just an evolution. Then maybe green fee paying vistors, potential new members & the junior section won't get turned off by an approach to life that belongs in the 1950's

 

[StrangelyBrown]

Out of the few hundred people I went to school with only 3 play the game. The reason most don't entertain the thought is because of the perceived stuffiness and snobbery.

Justagolfer, i'm afraid that you're just reinforcing that stereotype.

Golf needs to evolve to appear to be more progressive and welcoming. You wont attract new players if they are looked down upon because their shoes are dirty.

 

[DaveM]

In reply. Good manners should be part of your every day life. You I am afraid sir come over as a stuffed shirt and a snob (this is just an observation from how you have conducted yourself on here. You may be the nicest guy in the world. But I can only judge from your posts). I had no intension of getting involved with the first post. But your Rude and bad mannered personal attacks on other golfers. Calling them fat slobs and worse. I'm afraid sir showed your true colours. Good manners never change, but the world does. Move with the times. Who knows you may get a nice suprise.

My warmest wishes, good health and happiness to you.

Kind regards David

P.S. The atitude and behaviour of this type of ignorance does not hold me back. I will just ignore with the contempt they deserve. I belive in the good in man, until they prove me wrong.

 

[FaldosJumper]

dog with a bone, springs to mind...

 

[tincup]

Good etiquette, decent manners, smart appearance, clean kit, especially shoes, etc,etc,

Im sorry but I fail to understand what part of having good manners involves calling someone brainless who you have never met and looking at a couple of photos and assuming everyone on it is a beer swilling yob

 

[stevie_r]

justagolfer. I originally supported your initial point in the etiquette thread as i thought it was valid. Since then however you have not done yourself any favours whatsoever, the amount of moaning has diluted the impact of your initial argument.

Assumptions and accusations of heavy drinking - pointless, unpleasant and unnecessary.
The 'go somewhere else next year' post in another thread came across as particularly petulant and somewhat immature - I think that was the point at which you lost any support you had amongst forum members.

Give it up mate, people are getting bored with it

 

[DCB]

Things have moved on a bit surely. I can remember the days when Jacket and tie were necessary to go for a drink in the clubhouse. Yes, we've moved on from there, but I'm not suggesting that standards should drop into the abyss. A certain standard of dress is still generally indicated at most clubs, both on the course and in the clubhouse. That's fine by me. Good etiquette and decent manners should be a must, we should all treat each other with dignity and respect.

Each to their own I suppose, but I suppose I'd come down on the traditionalist side of the fence if I had to make a choice.

 

[DaveM]

Before people claim to be a traditionalist. Please stop and think for a minute. Do you really want to go back to the days. When membership took into account. Race, religion, or creed? Oh and no ladies in the club house plus restricted tee times and you had to be sir this or general that, or blimp-smyth to get in. Well do you?

 

[lobthewedge]

I actually agree with much of what justagolfer has to say, I too believe standards have slipped in manners, etiquette and some aspects of appearance. Sadly its just a reflecton of modern British society in general decline, and golf along with other sports is not immune to it.

However, I was tought that moaning after the event and resorting to name calling is not the ideal way of dealing with your objections.

 

[DaveM]

I actually agree with much of what justagolfer has to say, I too believe standards have slipped in manners, etiquette and some aspects of appearance. Sadly its just a reflecton of modern British society in general decline, and golf along with other sports is not immune to it.

However, I was tought that moaning after the event and resorting to name calling is not the ideal way of dealing with your objections.

So do I. I only wish he showed the same manners he expects others to have. Pot and kettle springs to mind.

 

[lobthewedge]

Before people claim to be a traditionalist. Please stop and think for a minute. Do you really want to go back to the days. When membership took into account. Race, religion, or creed? Oh and no ladies in the club house plus restricted tee times and you had to be sir this or general that, or blimp-smyth to get in. Well do you?

I think youre taking that a bit far. I would class myself as a 'traditionalist', but I would never entertain any of that Muirfield pish. I believe in manners, respect, sportsmanship and good humour when it comes to golf, and those are the things that I see as being in decline.

For example, when I was a junior and played for the team we were made to wear collar and tie and sit with our opponents for the dinner afterwards. Short speeches were made, thankyous and congratulations were exchanged and it was all conducted in a great spirit that instilled good principles on young golfers.

For whatever reason this doesnt happen anymore, and I personally think its quite sad.

 

[bluetoon]

Justagolfer, this a is a golfing website full of golfers that are passionate about our sport, we are not lager swilling yobs. Most come on here to talk and share all things golf and contribute to the community.

Ok, you had a bad experience. The offenders are guilty as charged and have apologised, get over it, let it rest.

You had the chance to say something at the time and 'get it of your chest', however you have choosen to go on a public forum and vent your spleen and in doing so have upheld the reputation of golf being full of stuffy shirts and old whinging men.

So, yes i agree attitudes like yours do hold golf back.

Have a nice day.

 

[john0]

So Gilbert..... at next year's England V Scotland match at Goswick which team will you be batting for?

 

[CMAC]

For example, when I was a junior and played for the team we were made to wear collar and tie and sit with our opponents for the dinner afterwards. Short speeches were made, thankyous and congratulations were exchanged and it was all conducted in a great spirit that instilled good principles on young golfers.

For whatever reason this doesnt happen anymore, and I personally think its quite sad.

That shocks me, why doesnt this happen anymore? it was part of growing as a young man to conduct yourself in a civilised manner and be sporting to your competitors whether you won or lost, friendships were made. Is this across all clubs for a reason or just a few that want to play and leave with no sense of occasion?

 

[DCB]

Before people claim to be a traditionalist. Please stop and think for a minute. Do you really want to go back to the days. When membership took into account. Race, religion, or creed? Oh and no ladies in the club house plus restricted tee times and you had to be sir this or general that, or blimp-smyth to get in. Well do you?

That's the big difference between golf North of the border and South of the border. Yes there are clubs up here where that has gone on and probably still does go on, but the vast majority of members clubs are populated by normal working men and women. Golf is a game for the masses up here. Long may that continue.

 

[DCB]

That shocks me, why doesnt this happen anymore? it was part of growing as a young man to conduct yourself in a civilised manner and be sporting to your competitors whether you won or lost, friendships were made. Is this across all clubs for a reason or just a few that want to play and leave with no sense of occasion?

We still instil this into our Juniors. The collar and tie are gone, but the team polo shirt has taken their place. The two teams eat together after the match and short speeches are made by a player from each side. Nothing too long winded, just the usual thanks for a good game, thanks for the conditions of the course and the catering. Simple but very necessary to help the youngsters grow into young men.

 

[john0]

That's the big difference between golf North of the border and South of the border. Yes there are clubs up here where that has gone on and probably still does go on, but the vast majority of members clubs are populated by normal working men and women. Golf is a game for the masses up here. Long may that continue.

Jolly spiffing generalisation that, im just off out hunting with the dogs now. Im so glad we dont have no working class scum south of the border!

 

[SonicBoom]

I am a French, Buddhist monk and I love nothing more than treading the fairways in my sandals and kaftan. I have always been well received by the members.
And my boyfriend loves it too.