Scoobiesnax
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In general a nun's face is not veiled!!
In general a nun's face is not veiled!!
The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary
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MegaSteve
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By stating it is worn out of seriousness you are initiating/inviting debate about the rights or wrongs...
Do you want BoJo to apologise just so you can question his sincerity?
In the manner you have with Jezza and anti-Semitism...
He is [as Maxfli65 put it yesterday] an odious man not quite sure how any apology will change that...
bobmac
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If people are demanding an apology, how does that affect his freedom of speech we have in this country, something that many islamic countries don't have.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I can hardly believe that you actually believe what you have posted there.
You or I can say, just about, whatever we like - we are free to do so.
But if you felt inclined to jokingly comment that what my wife was wearing made her look like a dumper truck, and your freely expressed 'jokey' comment was taken by her as an insult, that it hurt and upset her - then you might well get a punch on the nose from me for your freedom of speech troubles if you did not apologies to her. You can say just about whatever you want under freedom of speech - but you have to accept that there may be some comeback.
And we do not live in an Islamic country - we live in the United Kingdom - we are supposed to be proud of our values and our caring for others and tolerance of their views.
This deliberate pot-stirring by Johnson is simply to divide us - with his aim being to get enough of us 'on his side' so that he can force himself to become PM.
The Islamic terrorists may have set out to divide us - they don't have to try very hard any more - we are doing it to ourselves through Brexit and the utterances of the likes of Johnson, Farage and their acolyte defenders.
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Foxholer
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Some of those wishing to wear a 'traditional' garment may well have been born here!
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Taj Hargey, the Iman of Oxford, has made some interesting comments
bobmac
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And if you don't agree with those views you are allowed to punch them.
And if I can quote Allaah
''[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_light]this religion would reach all places on this earth. ‘This matter (i.e., Islam) will certainly reach everywhere that night and day reach, and Allaah will not leave any house or tent [i.e., all dwellings, in towns and in the desert], but Allaah will cause this religion to enter it, and some people will be honoured because of it [by converting] and others will be humiliated because of it [for refusing to embrace it], and they will be ruled by the Muslims'',[/FONT]
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Quoting Allah?
You know EXACTLY what I am saying and I wish you wouldn't twist it.
If you insult and upset my wife then I expect you to apologise - and if you don't then whatever might come your way as a result of your comment you cannot complain.
Johnson is in trouble for not apologising when his 'joke' backfired. What is so difficult to understand about that.
That aside - the more serious issue is that Johnson is setting out to divide and rule. He is a cunning and devious person deploying odious means for his own ends - regardless of who gets hurt along the way and the damage to our society. He is truly turning into our very own version of Trump.
Thankfully the Tories are considering a probe. Their issue will be that Johnson will now have a lot of Tory voters (past and potential) on his side - and that will cause problems for the Tory Party. Just look at how subservient the GOP is to Trump - they fear that any opposition to Trump will see their party in serious problems in the MidTerms in November.
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Doon frae Troon
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..and some may be 2nd, 3rd ,4th generation plus.
Over one million Muslims in London some guy said on BBC Ulster yesterday.
MegaSteve
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With guesstimates of about 1% wearing the burka/niqab...
No surprise it's not an uncommon sight down here...
bobmac
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So Boris has upset the muslim women of Britain and won't apologise so that gives the muslim men the right for violence against Boris and his supporters despite the Imam Dr Taj Hargey who says he didn't go far enough. Covering up is even banned in Mecca!
And now 100 muslim women are demanding Boris be kicked out of the conservative party.
Now read the quote from Allaah again bearing in mind that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
drdel
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We joke, criticise and complain about sexism and inequality in other religions such as the CoE, Catholic etc and some of the 'costumes' they wear.
The UK security services have a major issue with peoples' identity - police, passports/driving licences, speed cameras etc use and require photographic evidence but because of the incorrect assumption that the Muslim religion requires women to wear these facial coverings its hands off of debating the subject.
When sensible nations like Denmark, France and others ban such fashion based garb we should be courageous enough to recognise in modern society it is not appropriate/acceptable.
The UK security services have a major issue with peoples' identity - police, passports/driving licences, speed cameras etc use and require photographic evidence but because of the incorrect assumption that the Muslim religion requires women to wear these facial coverings its hands off of debating the subject.
When sensible nations like Denmark, France and others ban such fashion based garb we should be courageous enough to recognise in modern society it is not appropriate/acceptable.
Tashyboy
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And this opinion is quite frankly what is wrong in this country. It is 100% correct in its Factuality, what is wrong is that the only comment is from the Scotish wind up village idiot who responds by saying it could of been a nun or a clown. No one has a valid answer to Colchesters opinion that the covering of faces can be used by terrorists and criminals and that some people do find it intimidating.
Bunkermagnet
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I thought it had already been done
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Cars have been used by terrorists to kill people - a lot , in fact I suspect more people driving cars have killed people in this country than a lady who is wearing a burqa - would you like cars banned ?
Jackets are used by suicide bombers to cover up the explosives around them - would you like jackets banned as well ?
There are many things in the world that people get intimidated by - that doesn’t mean they should all be banned
It’s paranoia at the end of the day and fear of a bit of clothing
If no women should wear a burka just in case they're hiding the fact they might be terrorists why aren't priests, nuns and friars banned from wearing their garb? After all, there's plenty of examples of members of the IRA dressing as members of the clergy.
Tashyboy
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Its not paranoia when said Muslim woman goes for an interview to get a job as a teacher, gets job then turns up on a Monday and is wearing a Burka and the primary Skool kids are tripping out coz there scared stiff. Why did she not wear burka to interview.
Its not paranoia when leading Imams are saying that Muslim schools should be mixed and not just girls or boys. Extremist Muslim religion is causing social segregation not integration.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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What Allah says about this is irrelevant. If Johnson made a joke that has not been received well by those to whom it was targeted then he should apologise - this is simply a question of common decency.
Beyond that simple matter of decency - there is a much bigger question about what Johnson is up to. It's not even actually about 'to ban or not to ban' the burka. That is simply a vehicle for his ambition and an enabler for his aim to divide the nation so that he can get one part of it on his side and supportive of him. Then following the Trump approach - he builds in that part of the nation a belief that denies everything he might subsequently say that most might once have found unacceptable and denies as fake news everything that he said in the past that might contradict his current views.
I fear that before long we'll be hearing from Johnson that - because of the fuss that has been made about his DT article and some of the views expressed - he has changed his mind over whether or not a ban is right for the UK. I fear it because if that comes about we will know he is taking the Trump-Bannon approach to gaining power - and we can look at the seriously divided mess the US is in today - with the PotUS saying one thing and his administration having reel him in where they can and do what they know is right
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And I can buy a large knife; put it in a bag, and walk down the street. That in itself does not make me a potential murderer.
We might have a cultural difficulty looking at someone with their face covered - but there is nothing wrong with what we do and we can actually just get used to it and accept it as a norm for some of our community.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Indeed - and if you know your Scottish history you'll know that many of the Scottish clergy were very active supporting those fighting for independence, and through the centuries were supportive of many Scottish causes - they were heroes. But as far as England and parts of the Scottish nobility were concerned - these clergymen were terrorists or terrorist sympathisers.
