The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Its not paranoia when said Muslim woman goes for an interview to get a job as a teacher, gets job then turns up on a Monday and is wearing a Burka and the primary Skool kids are tripping out coz there scared stiff. Why did she not wear burka to interview.
Its not paranoia when leading Imams are saying that Muslim schools should be mixed and not just girls or boys. Extremist Muslim religion is causing social segregation not integration.

What you need to know is why they were scared-stiff...

If they were taught that the wear was normal for a part of our community - and that they were assured about their new teacher - I suspect the children would accept her quite easily. Children are very adaptable and accepting unless they are told by adults close to them to be otherwise.

 

[MegaSteve]

What you need to know is why they were scared-stiff...

If they were taught that the wear was normal for a part of our community - and that they were assured about their new teacher - I suspect the children would accept her quite easily. Children are very adaptable and accepting unless they are told by adults close to them to be otherwise.

Why do you insist on making stuff up...

It's NOT 'normal' in any way whatsoever...

 

[drdel]

What you need to know is why they were scared-stiff...

If they were taught that the wear was normal for a part of our community - and that they were assured about their new teacher - I suspect the children would accept her quite easily. Children are very adaptable and accepting unless they are told by adults close to them to be otherwise.

So you'd change kids behavioural/educational norms in the UK for the misguided actions of less than 1% of the population.

I'm sorry but this is just pandering liberalism and twaddle that suggests a groundless pseudo religious reason should permit some minority rights which other members of society do not have.

If it was a verifiable religious requirement as with the Sikh turban they I can see a reason, even though I'd still disagree.

Police, customs and numerous other can demand me to confirm my identity and request photographic evidence as verification. There is absolutely no rational reason for a comparatively modern twist on a religious suggestion should be allowed to overturn the expectation placed upon everyone else in our society.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And this opinion is quite frankly what is wrong in this country. It is 100% correct in its Factuality, what is wrong is that the only comment is from the Scotish wind up village idiot who responds by saying it could of been a nun or a clown. No one has a valid answer to Colchesters opinion that the covering of faces can be used by terrorists and criminals and that some people do find it intimidating.

Look Bach, if you are going to lose the plot and start throwing insults how about try to get your facts right.

1] I am 50% Welsh.
2] I never mentioned clowns but thanks for that, could also add policeman, nurse etc.
3] For the more paranoid of folk who lived through WW2, Nuns/priests etc dressed as German spies/terrorists was a big issue.


How many actual cased of Islamic dressed terrorists are real.
Links could prove if these fears are substantial of just imagined.

I used to think that you were an 'honest' poster not the case now, disappointed in you.

 

[drdel]

Look Bach, if you are going to lose the plot and start throwing insults how about try to get your facts right.

1] I am 50% Welsh.
2] I never mentioned clowns but thanks for that, could also add policeman, nurse etc.
3] For the more paranoid of folk who lived through WW2, Nuns/priests etc dressed as German spies/terrorists was a big issue.


How many actual cased of Islamic dressed terrorists are real.
Links could prove if these fears are substantial of just imagined.

I used to think that you were an 'honest' poster not the case now, disappointed in you.

I'd be interested (in these times of legally enforceable Equal Opportunity for all) to know why you think its fine for some people to keep their identity secret when the lawful majority cannot?

 

[ColchesterFC]

If no women should wear a burka just in case they're hiding the fact they might be terrorists why aren't priests, nuns and friars banned from wearing their garb? After all, there's plenty of examples of members of the IRA dressing as members of the clergy.

It's not the burka, it's the niqab that I was talking about. And the difference between the niqab and the burka or any of the other "costumes" that you mention is the face covering. Did the members of the IRA who dressed as clergy cover their faces to conceal their identity? (<- genuine question as I don't know). My only problem with this type of dress (and it is just the niqab not the burka that I object to) is the concealing of the identity. If I can't wear a crash helmet or balaclava to enter certain places why should it be permissible for someone to wear a niqab which does exactly the same thing and is not a religious requirement?

 

[Dando]

What Allah says about this is irrelevant. If Johnson made a joke that has not been received well by those to whom it was targeted then he should apologise - this is simply a question of common decency.

Beyond that simple matter of decency - there is a much bigger question about what Johnson is up to. It's not even actually about 'to ban or not to ban' the burka. That is simply a vehicle for his ambition and an enabler for his aim to divide the nation so that he can get one part of it on his side and supportive of him. Then following the Trump approach - he builds in that part of the nation a belief that denies everything he might subsequently say that most might once have found unacceptable and denies as fake news everything that he said in the past that might contradict his current views.

I fear that before long we'll be hearing from Johnson that - because of the fuss that has been made about his DT article and some of the views expressed - he has changed his mind over whether or not a ban is right for the UK. I fear it because if that comes about we will know he is taking the Trump-Bannon approach to gaining power - and we can look at the seriously divided mess the US is in today - with the PotUS saying one thing and his administration having reel him in where they can and do what they know is right

Of course what Allah says about this is irrelevant as it doesn’t suit your agenda at the moment!

also I’m certain that Johnson already said that a ban isnt right in the uk but once again the truth doesn’t suit your warped mind

 

[Dando]

I can hardly believe that you actually believe what you have posted there.

You or I can say, just about, whatever we like - we are free to do so.

But if you felt inclined to jokingly comment that what my wife was wearing made her look like a dumper truck, and your freely expressed 'jokey' comment was taken by her as an insult, that it hurt and upset her - then you might well get a punch on the nose from me for your freedom of speech troubles if you did not apologies to her. You can say just about whatever you want under freedom of speech - but you have to accept that there may be some comeback.

And we do not live in an Islamic country - we live in the United Kingdom - we are supposed to be proud of our values and our caring for others and tolerance of their views.

This deliberate pot-stirring by Johnson is simply to divide us - with his aim being to get enough of us 'on his side' so that he can force himself to become PM.

The Islamic terrorists may have set out to divide us - they don't have to try very hard any more - we are doing it to ourselves through Brexit and the utterances of the likes of Johnson, Farage and their acolyte defenders.

you're right we don’t live in an Islamic country- they live in ours but some have no desire to integrate or respect our values but I guess in your eyes that’s ok.

 

[Fade and Die]

Cars have been used by terrorists to kill people - a lot , in fact I suspect more people driving cars have killed people in this countrythan a lady who is wearing a burqa - would you like cars banned ?

Jackets are used by suicide bombers to cover up the explosives around them - would you like jackets banned as well ?

There are many things in the world that people get intimidated by - that doesn’t mean they should all be banned

It’s paranoia at the end of the day and fear of a bit of clothing

This is true but there is a law to prevent cars having windows that are too blacked out. Why do you think that is?


Wearing the Niqab denies one of the most basic of human interactions..... looking at someones face whilst conversing....... Reading through this thread I think many of the "defenders" of the Niqab don't have any real experience dealing with Muslims who wear it.

 

[Fade and Die]

Quoting Allah?

You know EXACTLY what I am saying and I wish you wouldn't twist it.

If you insult and upset my wife then I expect you to apologise - and if you don't then whatever might come your way as a result of your comment you cannot complain.

Johnson is in trouble for not apologising when his 'joke' backfired. What is so difficult to understand about that.

That aside - the more serious issue is that Johnson is setting out to divide and rule. He is a cunning and devious person deploying odious means for his own ends - regardless of who gets hurt along the way and the damage to our society. He is truly turning into our very own version of Trump.

Thankfully the Tories are considering a probe. Their issue will be that Johnson will now have a lot of Tory voters (past and potential) on his side - and that will cause problems for the Tory Party. Just look at how subservient the GOP is to Trump - they fear that any opposition to Trump will see their party in serious problems in the MidTerms in November.

This all sounds very Charlie Hebdo to me.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This is true but there is a law to prevent cars having windows that are too blacked out. Why do you think that is?


Wearing the Niqab denies one of the most basic of human interactions..... looking at someones face whilst conversing....... Reading through this thread I think many of the "defenders" of the Niqab don't have any real experience dealing with Muslims who wear it.

I have worked in - Saudi Arabia , Iraq , Kuwait , Bahrain , Afghanistan - come across plenty of people wearing the clothing that has everyone so worried - not once did I feel threatened by them.

In regards the car anology they still are being used to kill people - regardless of what the Windows off - so it’s an item that anyone can buy but kills more people than someone wearing a Burqa - do you demand it’s banned ?

 

[Old Skier]

1] I am 50% Welsh.

Said the man who didn't know Wales was a country.

 

[ColchesterFC]

But if you felt inclined to jokingly comment that what my wife was wearing made her look like a dumper truck, and your freely expressed 'jokey' comment was taken by her as an insult, that it hurt and upset her - then you might well get a punch on the nose from me for your freedom of speech troubles if you did not apologies to her.

Surely as a self professed religious man you should be walking away and turning the other cheek rather than resorting to violence.

 

[drdel]

I have worked in - Saudi Arabia , Iraq , Kuwait , Bahrain , Afghanistan - come across plenty of people wearing the clothing that has everyone so worried - not once did I feel threatened by them.

In regards the car anology they still are being used to kill people - regardless of what the Windows off - so it’s an item that anyone can buy but kills more people than someone wearing a Burqa - do you demand it’s banned ?

Very bad argument with no logic. You miss a crucial fact because the major difference is that these are Muslim countries where it is their religion and culture and you were, hopefully, a respectful guest! In addition they are not under the same security issues as the UK

 

[Old Skier]

I wonder if those who support the wearing of the Burqa also support:

1) forcing females to wear it
2) forced marriage
3) FGM
4) Sharia law
5) the taking of many wives

All falsely claimed to be part of the teachings of Allah.

A person should be free to choose to wear whatever they like whether it makes them look like a letter box or makes their bum look big but let's stop confusing dominance and religion.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Very bad argument with no logic. You miss a crucial fact because the major difference is that these are Muslim countries where it is their religion and culture and you were, hopefully, a respectful guest! In addition they are not under the same security issues as the UK

How is a bad argument when the post before says people haven’t had experience dealing with Muslims who wear it - so I post that I have had dealings with Muslims who were it you say it’s a bad argument

Would suggest it was prob a touch more volatile in the countries I list than in the UK and security risks a damn sight higher than in this country.

And why shouldn’t they be allowed to practise their religion and practises here as long as they are not harming you , not breaking any laws and being respectful.

 

[ColchesterFC]

And why shouldn’t they be allowed to practise their religion and practises here as long as they are not harming you , not breaking any laws and being respectful.

This is the crux of the issue. Perhaps you could point out where in "their religion" the wearing of the burka or niqab is required or demanded. The instruction is to "dress modestly" not to have to cover the face or dress like a postbox or a bank robber.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This is the crux of the issue. Perhaps you could point out where in "their religion" the wearing of the burka or niqab is required or demanded. The instruction is to "dress modestly" not to have to cover the face or dress like a postbox or a bank robber.

I don’t need too - it doesn’t bother me and I have no issues with it , if they wish to wear a burqa because they believe that’s what their beliefs include you or any others can’t tell them they are wrong - they are entitled to interpret what is said in any book in any way they wish provided no law is being broken. We are multi cultural society - always have been since the day I was born with various religions and practises and we always pride ourselves in accepting others cultures as long All respect each other and no laws are broken ( that’s a key phrase )

It’s an item of clothing a lady believes she is entitled to wear - then away she go , it’s prob a damn sight more respectable that some of the stuff you see people wearing

 

[ColchesterFC]

I don’t need too - it doesn’t bother me and I have no issues with it , if they wish to wear a burqa because they believe that’s what their beliefs include you or any others can’t tell them they are wrong - they are entitled to interpret what is said in any book in any way they wish provided no law is being broken. We are multi cultural society - always have been since the day I was born with various religions and practises and we always pride ourselves in accepting others cultures as long All respect each other and no laws are broken ( that’s a key phrase )

It’s an item of clothing a lady believes she is entitled to wear - then away she go , it’s prob a damn sight more respectable that some of the stuff you see people wearing

Which is handy for you as that instruction doesn't exist.

Do you have any issues with far right extremists covering their faces with balaclavas at right wing demos? Surely it's the right of right wing extremists to wear such garments if they so choose.

Do you have any issues with banks or petrol stations requiring motorcyclists having to remove full face helmets before entering their premises? Surely it's their right to wear what they want - after all they're just interpreting what is in the Highway Code which at the end of the day is just "what is said in any book".

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Which is handy for you as that instruction doesn't exist.

Do you have any issues with far right extremists covering their faces with balaclavas at right wing demos? Surely it's the right of right wing extremists to wear such garments if they so choose.

Do you have any issues with banks or petrol stations requiring motorcyclists having to remove full face helmets before entering their premises? Surely it's their right to wear what they want - after all they're just interpreting what is in the Highway Code which at the end of the day is just "what is said in any book".

Your post is just typical of posters like yourself on a forum ,

Always trying to find some sort of angle to demean or dismiss someones opinion by trying to connect some scenarios

I couldn’t care less what someone wears at a demonstration- why would I , it just an item of clothing

And if a bank wants to put measures in place in regards ensuring a face is recognised then as long as it’s legal away they go - do they require to wear a helmut whilst ridding a bike or walking ?

It’s not illegal to wear a burqa - no one is going to harm you by wearing an item of clothing. If a lady wishes to wear one I have no problem with it at all - if offends people that much I’m sure the French will welcome you