The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

[Blue in Munich]

Your post is just typical of posters like yourself on a forum ,

Always trying to find some sort of angle to demean or dismiss someones opinion by trying to connect some scenarios

I couldn’t care less what someone wears at a demonstration- why would I , it just an item of clothing

And if a bank wants to put measures in place in regards ensuring a face is recognised then as long as it’s legal away they go - do they require to wear a helmut whilst ridding a bike or walking ?

It’s not illegal to wear a burqa - no one is going to harm you by wearing an item of clothing. If a lady wishes to wear one I have no problem with it at all - if offends people that much I’m sure the French will welcome you

What's the basis for the discrimination against motorcyclists then Phil; if a lady can wear a burka when there's no legal requirement, why can't I wear my crash helmet? They're a pain in the ass to carry round off the bike so leaving it on my head is really convenient.

If it's really for security then apply it to everyone :thup:

 

[IanM]

Women should be free to wear these!
Women should be free to NOT wear these.
Boris should be free to say he thinks they look bloody daft!
Muslims ARE free to say, stuff what you think Boris, we’ll wear them.

Nice to see axe grinders of all hues doing their nuts over it. As ever.

 

[Dellboy]

I think Boris was right in what he said and wouldn’t mind betting the majority of the country would agree but are to afraid to say so in fear of being labelled as a racist.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

If a lady wishes to wear one I have no problem with it at all

My expierience of working in Arabic resident properties is that most of the women wearing them have no choice in the matter, and its the fundamentialists end of Islam that orders it and treats the women as second rate and worth less than men.
In London you never see a muslim man walking side by side with a fully covered woman, the women are always made to walk about 10 feet behind their husbands. Hradly equality.
Simple answer would be to ban all religions.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

What's the basis for the discrimination against motorcyclists then Phil; if a lady can wear a burka when there's no legal requirement, why can't I wear my crash helmet? They're a pain in the ass to carry round off the bike so leaving it on my head is really convenient.

If it's really for security then apply it to everyone :thup:

I think in all fairness that motorcyclists have been asked to removed their helmets long before even 9/11 happened.

 

[SocketRocket]

Your post is just typical of posters like yourself on a forum ,

Always trying to find some sort of angle to demean or dismiss someones opinion by trying to connect some scenarios

I couldn’t care less what someone wears at a demonstration- why would I , it just an item of clothing

And if a bank wants to put measures in place in regards ensuring a face is recognised then as long as it’s legal away they go - do they require to wear a helmut whilst ridding a bike or walking ?

It’s not illegal to wear a burqa - no one is going to harm you by wearing an item of clothing. If a lady wishes to wear one I have no problem with it at all - if offends people that much I’m sure the French will welcome you

Oh! the irony.

 

[Tashyboy]

Look Bach, if you are going to lose the plot and start throwing insults how about try to get your facts right.

1] I am 50% Welsh.
2] I never mentioned clowns but thanks for that, could also add policeman, nurse etc.
3] For the more paranoid of folk who lived through WW2, Nuns/priests etc dressed as German spies/terrorists was a big issue.


How many actual cased of Islamic dressed terrorists are real.
Links could prove if these fears are substantial of just imagined.

I used to think that you were an 'honest' poster not the case now, disappointed in you.

I have lost the plot Doon because rather than just write twaddle try, and do a bit of homework when responding to someone's posts. The burglars/ murderers that battered an Asian guy in an attempt to rob him of £200,000 were in an Asian area of Leicester. When they killed the jewellery shop owner, they took his keys and went into his shop dressed as a woman with a burka on, to try and protect there identity. To suggest they could dress as a nun in this instance is quite frankly ignorant.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Your post is just typical of posters like yourself on a forum ,

Always trying to find some sort of angle to demean or dismiss someones opinion by trying to connect some scenarios

At no point did I demean or dismiss your opinion, I simply asked you to back your opinion up with facts which you were unable to do. My most sincere apologies for trying to debate a current affairs issue on the forum. From now on I will restrict myself to using Google to try to find information to support whatever my view is or failing that will try to browbeat others to support my view as that appears to be your favoured method of interaction on the forum.

 

[SocketRocket]

I dont like the way many Muslims dress, I have to accept they have a right to dress the way they do in this country though. Multi Multiculturalism is a failed experiment IMO, it has created division and prevented immigrants and their descendants from integrating into regular society, many Women are treated like second class humans and will not get the opportunities of their Male counterparts. Can you honestly see a Woman in a Burka as a Policewoman, Firefighter, Solicitor, Judge, Member of the armed services etc? No of course not and why, it's because by and large they are forced/induced to wear a form of dress that isolates them in society. A number of European countries have decided that wearing such headdress in certain circumstances is not suitable in their countries, my opinion is that it should not be worn in public places in the UK.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I think in all fairness that motorcyclists have been asked to removed their helmets long before even 9/11 happened.

I'm sure they did. My issue is that if it is for security reasons to see my face, why don't they need to see everyone else's? I don't have a problem with removing it, I would do out of courtesy anyway. Just apply it across the board; helmets, hoodies, burkas, everyone show your face.

 

[Tashyboy]

I dont like the way many Muslims dress, I have to accept they have a right to dress the way they do in this country though. Multi Multiculturalism is a failed experiment IMO, it has created division and prevented immigrants and their descendants from integrating into regular society, many Women are treated like second class humans and will not get the opportunities of their Male counterparts. Can you honestly see a Woman in a Burka as a Policewoman, Firefighter, Solicitor, Judge, Member of the armed services etc? No of course not and why, it's because by and large they are forced/induced to wear a form of dress that isolates them in society. A number of European countries have decided that wearing such headdress in certain circumstances is not suitable in their countries, my opinion is that it should not be worn in public places in the UK.

Socket I wholeheartedly agree with what you say, I have not said that women should not be able to wear burkas. I have said that "some"people find them intimidating. That the wearing of them can lead to abuse. Other countries have had a rational discussion and banned them. For me the problem here, is that the person/Boris who has made this front page news, is probably the wrong person to of said something. Having said that, who would that right person of been.

 

[gmc40]

I thought the UK had rules about sexism/equal opportunity.

Why would it be Ok for an employer to allow certain women to cover their faces but men and other women be denied the same facility.

If I visit certain countries they may demand certain dressing codes, why do those people who voluntarily come to the UK decide not to be bound by or respect our culture?

I'm not aware of a rule against the burqa so unsure how they are "bound by" our our culture or disrespecting it?

I get why the shouldn't be warn in banks/airports etc but other than that It doesn't bother me in the slightest, live and let live I say.

Some people just love having someone or something to moan about. There was even a div on LBC this morning saying his 8 year old was terrified and in a terrible state after recently walking past a lady wearing a Burqa in the street. Ridiculous!

 

[bobmac]

Having said that, who would that right person of been.

Prince Phillip?

 

[hors limite]

I think that Bojo has a perfect right to dislike the burqa and to express his dislike. However, if his ambitions stretch to be PM, he surely should have the wit to argue his position without resorting to schoolboy insults about letterboxes. Unfortunately, I don't think that his words were clumsy but were intended to appeal to the people who have the ability to make his PM dream a reality.
He seems to take pleasure in expressing himself in ways that provoke division and ill feeling. Is this what we want in a future PM?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I wonder if Johnson will head up UKIP, where his political soul seems to lie.

His ego would enjoy finally splitting the Tory party in two.

 

[Tashyboy]

Prince Phillip?

Amen to that brother 😂

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think that Bojo has a perfect right to dislike the burqa and to express his dislike. However, if his ambitions stretch to be PM, he surely should have the wit to argue his position without resorting to schoolboy insults about letterboxes. Unfortunately, I don't think that his words were clumsy but were intended to appeal to the people who have the ability to make his PM dream a reality.
He seems to take pleasure in expressing himself in ways that provoke division and ill feeling. Is this what we want in a future PM?

By his 'jokey' comments Johnson implied he doesn't like the niqab (he wasn't talking about the burka which has no letterbox-like slot) - and that is fine - I don't feel fabulously comfortable myself. But his expression of his dislike of the attire was framed towards the wearer - and I you do that you make it personal to users and therefore something that might upset the wearers. If you upset an individual by making a comment about what they look like - as jokey as you 'might' have meant it to be - then it is courtesy, decency and good manners to apologise for causing the upset. And if you do not apologise then - apart from proving yourself to being rude and clearly not a gentlemen - you can most likely expect some comeback - which is what Johnson is getting. Why he is not apologising for what was claimed to be a throw-away jokey comment I just do not know - unless it was intended and not throw-away.

On the actual subject matter he was writing about I actually agree with him. Many might not - but as it happens I do - but as all are saying he is entitled to express his opinion - which he has. (btw - why did he choose to write about a clearly very contentious subject at this very politically sensitive time - there was nothing in the news that had raised it as a current issue - he just chose to discuss it in his column)

So what on earth are those supportive of Johnson complaining about in respect of accusations that some (weirdly remainers are taking much blame for this) are shutting down Johnson's freedom of speech.

Nobody is doing this. Nobody is saying that he should not have expressed his opinion on the wearing and/or banning of the niqib and burka in the UK. Some are saying that his jokey comments (not the substance of the piece) are provocative and divisive. Well if he just apologised for a misfire of a jokey observation and for being insensitive to wearers of these modes of dress, then there would be nothing to accuse him of. That he isn't apologising suggests that the comments actually reflect something more divisive and scheming on his part.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I wonder if Johnson will head up UKIP, where his political soul seems to lie.

His ego would enjoy finally splitting the Tory party in two.

Listening to Farage's take on this he almost seems to be hoping Johnson get's chucked out of the Tories and they join in forming a new right-wing party - UKIP being a completely busted flush. Polls seem to suggest that there could be rather a lot of support for such a party - especially if took a fairly strong anti-islam stance.

 

[drdel]

By his 'jokey' comments Johnson implied he doesn't like the niqab (he wasn't talking about the burka which has no letterbox-like slot) - and that is fine - I don't feel fabulously comfortable myself. But his expression of his dislike of the attire was framed towards the wearer - and I you do that you make it personal to users and therefore something that might upset the wearers. If you upset an individual by making a comment about what they look like - as jokey as you 'might' have meant it to be - then it is courtesy, decency and good manners to apologise for causing the upset. And if you do not apologise then - apart from proving yourself to being rude and clearly not a gentlemen - you can most likely expect some comeback - which is what Johnson is getting. Why he is not apologising for what was claimed to be a throw-away jokey comment I just do not know - unless it was intended and not throw-away.

On the actual subject matter he was writing about I actually agree with him. Many might not - but as it happens I do - but as all are saying he is entitled to express his opinion - which he has. (btw - why did he choose to write about a clearly very contentious subject at this very politically sensitive time - there was nothing in the news that had raised it as a current issue - he just chose to discuss it in his column)

So what on earth are those supportive of Johnson complaining about in respect of accusations that some (weirdly remainers are taking much blame for this) are shutting down Johnson's freedom of speech.

Nobody is doing this. Nobody is saying that he should not have expressed his opinion on the wearing and/or banning of the niqib and burka in the UK. Some are saying that his jokey comments (not the substance of the piece) are provocative and divisive. Well if he just apologised for a misfire of a jokey observation and for being insensitive to wearers of these modes of dress, then there would be nothing to accuse him of. That he isn't apologising suggests that the comments actually reflect something more divisive and scheming on his part.

Well I guess there's going to be a ban on the Scots who wear a kilt which has been the butt of jokes for decades, because it might be aimed at the wearer.

C'mon wise up its a storm that's now being whipped up purely for political mileage

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Listening to Farage's take on this he almost seems to be hoping Johnson get's chucked out of the Tories and they join in forming a new right-wing party - UKIP being a completely busted flush. Polls seem to suggest that there could be rather a lot of support for such a party - especially if took a fairly strong anti-islam stance.

The nightmare dream team Farage & Johnson.