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The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

HughJars said:
There seems little evidence of that, but for sure if we could clear the world of religion we'd be in a better place. People arguing about whose interpretation of a fairy story is the correct one. Give it a rest.
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Which fairy story would that be?

Actually I'm not bothered. One persons fairy story can be another's source of inspiration and guidance.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And by the discussion here Johnson has succeeded - as any debate about the appropriateness or otherwise of using mocking and intemperate language has largely been superseded by debate on the actual substance of what he wants debated and where his wider constituency lies. And in this debate he [ulls in many more than just conservative party members.

Trump get's the media talking about his intemperate and deceitful words, whilst his intended audience hears an underlying message that appeals to them. And when Trump has caught that audience and changes his tune to fit what the audience want to hear - and the media call that out - Fake News! The people Trump wants on board and are onboard with what Trump says to the today. What the media reports he said yesterday or the day before that conflicts with today's message - well that is all Fake News.

And so we wait for a change of position from Boris now that he has the islam-haters and islam-intolerants (and there are many out there) listening.
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I don't hate Islam, I don't like people who hate Islam. I also don't like people that wear Burkas. It does intimidate some people.
Boris has all kinds of people and not just " haters" talking about the wearing of Burkas. Job done, he has opened a discussion that some people feel strongly about. What's wrong with that.
 
Jensen said:
Like other countries, I personally think this item of clothing should be banned in the UK.
It is extremely rude to be unable to see someone's face and mouth, particularly in conversation. Furthermore it's open to abuse as anybody could be under that item, e.g. a wanted terrorist escaped by wearing one.
Despicable piece of clothing
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Hear hear!!!!!. This should be banned!!!!
 
Dando said:
does Islam really ask that they wear them?
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It depends on the company she is with.

If she is in public she must cover everything except the hands and face.

If she is with family, other muslim women or children, the rules are more relaxed.

It actually says in the Qur'an that both men and women must dress modestly.

In the case of the women, some scholars say it's to stop other men looking at the mans wife with lust in his heart which according to Mathew 5:28
''anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart''. NIV.
 
Tashyboy said:
Boris has all kinds of people and not just " haters" talking about the wearing of Burkas. Job done, he has opened a discussion that some people feel strongly about. What's wrong with that.
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To have a debate on burkhas he could have simply said he doesn't like or agree with how 'it hides faces' instead he used terms like 'letterbox and bank robbers' per his usual pretend buffoony loveable tousle-haired rogue style, that's why he's in bother and rightly so.
So calculated, he knows he has got to keep himself in the press, no matter who he offends, for his upcoming stint at removing May.
Odious man.
 
I do wonder how many people in the UK "agree" with his comments, is it a case of feeling like you should be offended because of the subject matter.

Many many shops will not allow people in wearing motorbike helmets for security reasons, they demand they be removed. For me this should apply to religious attire that covers the face.
 
There is a great deal of ignorance about the entire subject of the Burqa!

It certainly pre-dates Islam and, apparently, was not specifically mentioned in the Quran though 'dress modestly' is mentioned for both sexes!

If it's worn by choice, then I have no qualms about it, though there are certainly places/situations in modern society where it is inappropriate - and some sort of allowance for both sides of a situation need to be established! I'm not a fan of simply banning particular dress just because it's inconvenient.

If it's forced upon women however, as in Taliban ruled areas of Afghanistan, then I find that treatment obscene!

I DO find I'm in agreement with Boris on what it resembles however (at least the postbox bit)! But that's no reason to prevent anyone from wearing it - if the likes of actual identification issues can be resolved!
 
Wonder when we'll hear of the first attempt some joker makes to stuff a letter in the face of a niqab-wearing women - bleating out an apologetic - oh sorry thought you were a letter-box - oh hahaha...

Johnson knew exactly what he was doing when choosing his words carefully - and he knew - that despite his view that a ban would be wrong - what would actually stick in the minds of too many would be his jokey mocking of women who wear the niqab.
 
IanM said:
Sadly you might be right about an idiot doing that.

But I wonder if anyone would object if Boris ordered his wife to only go out in public dressed in a certain way?
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Johnson's wife is one individual - he mocked a small but sensitive and quite vulnerable section of the British public, and in doing so upset much of the wider Muslim community - and gave legitimacy to idiots mouthing off at women wearing niqabs.

Brilliant - just brilliant - he has a cunning plan I am sure - given to him by Steve Bannon no doubt.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Wonder when we'll hear of the first attempt some joker makes to stuff a letter in the face of a niqab-wearing women - bleating out an apologetic - oh sorry thought you were a letter-box - oh hahaha...

Johnson knew exactly what he was doing when choosing his words carefully - and he knew - that despite his view that a ban would be wrong - what would actually stick in the minds of too many would be his jokey mocking of women who wear the niqab.
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You make a lot of assumptions, or has he told you he was choosing his words carefully for maximum effect.

If you read back through the thread there's plenty of examples of you saying he speaks before he thinks, he's bumbling fool etc etc etc. Any chance of some consistency, or can't you make your mind up what Boris is?

That said, I can't believe he gets the air time he does, but the same could be said of Farage. Sad indictment of politics and how some of the country laps up what some of the idiots say. Sounds a bit like Trump really.
 
I thought the UK had rules about sexism/equal opportunity.

Why would it be Ok for an employer to allow certain women to cover their faces but men and other women be denied the same facility.

If I visit certain countries they may demand certain dressing codes, why do those people who voluntarily come to the UK decide not to be bound by or respect our culture?
 
Jensen said:
Like other countries, I personally think this item of clothing should be banned in the UK.
It is extremely rude to be unable to see someone's face and mouth, particularly in conversation. Furthermore it's open to abuse as anybody could be under that item, e.g. a wanted terrorist escaped by wearing one.
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Agree with the above.
I also believe that Sikhs should be made to wear crash helmets when on a motorbike.
 
drdel said:
I thought the UK had rules about sexism/equal opportunity.

Why would it be Ok for an employer to allow certain women to cover their faces but men and other women be denied the same facility.

If I visit certain countries they may demand certain dressing codes, why do those people who voluntarily come to the UK decide not to be bound by or respect our culture?
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And what if 'those people' are British citizens.
 
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