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The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

Liverpoolphil said:
Not sure and never can understand why someone gets so upset by an item of clothing. Doesn’t bother me one bit and I respect their right to be able to wear an item of clothing in line with their culture and religion. A burka never hurt anyone. It’s also extremely rude to not respect people’s wishes and rights
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I think the argument the countries that have banned them have used is that they believe the item is used as a way to control women based on an old fashioned notion that women are second class in this particular religion and should do as they are told by their husbands.
 
Papas1982 said:
I think the argument the countries that have banned them have used is that they believe the item is used as a way to control women based on an old fashioned notion that women are second class in this particular religion and should do as they are told by their husbands.
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Its a horrible backward garment, from a horrible backward religion...... (Mind you what Religion aint!) if you look at the countries where it is most prevalent -Saudi, Yemen, Oman these countries do treat woman like 2nd class citizens...... I work a lot in Tower Hamlets and its common to see veiled women walking several paces behind their husband. If he stops to look in a shop window she has to hover behind!
It is unsettling to try to talk to someone when you can,t see their face, and i think people that defend it are extremely naive and have absolutely no real experience of living and working in that community.
 
What Boris has said re Burka has been repeated by people in this country for an age, not all but some. It has been mentioned that Boris has said what he said because he wants to raise the awareness of said face covering items and have an open discussion re whether this country should ban them or not. His choice of words once more does not enlighten him to the neutral. It has also been said by some that he will not apologise as he will run one day as primeminister and to apologise would be a sign of weakness.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Not sure and never can understand why someone gets so upset by an item of clothing. Doesn’t bother me one bit and I respect their right to be able to wear an item of clothing in line with their culture and religion. A burka never hurt anyone. It’s also extremely rude to not respect people’s wishes and rights
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If this is correct then it could also be construed that wearing a full face covering is extremely rude and not respecting the wishes and rights of the country they have come to live in. Covering your face in public is IMO rude and demeaning to Women in this country. I am in favor of banning it just like some other civilised countries have done in Europe.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Not sure and never can understand why someone gets so upset by an item of clothing. Doesn’t bother me one bit and I respect their right to be able to wear an item of clothing in line with their culture and religion. A burka never hurt anyone. It’s also extremely rude to not respect people’s wishes and rights
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That's a tough circle to square though. Some people could say it shows a lack of respect to those who are uncomfortable seeing someone wearing a burka.

Personally, I don't care what someone wears. I don't care what their religion is, and I don't see colour. I just see a personality, and I love talking to people from different cultures. There is so much we can all learn from each other - call it best practice. Take the best from every culture and we will have a better world to live in.
 
SocketRocket said:
If this is correct then it could also be construed that wearing a full face covering is extremely rude and not respecting the wishes and rights of the country they have come to live in. Covering your face in public is IMO rude and demeaning to Women in this country. I am in favor of banning it just like some other civilised countries have done in Europe.
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Can you point out which “right” it is that means people can demand a women not wear something that her religion asks - unless it’s illegal that lady has every right to wear a burka. I’m not sure when you became aware of the wishes and rights of the “country” - don’t you mean “your” wishes but you have no right to demand she not wear it

If it’s not illegal then tough - deal with it and if you have no wish to be associated with it don’t wear it - it’s causing you no harm
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Can you point out which “right” it is that means people can demand a women not wear something that her religion asks - unless it’s illegal that lady has every right to wear a burka. I’m not sure when you became aware of the wishes and rights of the “country” - don’t you mean “your” wishes but you have no right to demand she not wear it

If it’s not illegal then tough - deal with it and if you have no wish to be associated with it don’t wear it - it’s causing you no harm
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does Islam really ask that they wear them?
 
I find it interesting that it is perfectly acceptable for a Muslim woman dressed in this manner to enter a bank or a petrol station and be served with no questions asked, yet as a motorcyclist I'm expected to remove my crash helmet on the grounds of security, despite far more of my face being visible. No double standards there then.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Can you point out which “right” it is that means people can demand a women not wear something that her religion asks - unless it’s illegal that lady has every right to wear a burka. I’m not sure when you became aware of the wishes and rights of the “country” - don’t you mean “your” wishes but you have no right to demand she not wear it

If it’s not illegal then tough - deal with it and if you have no wish to be associated with it don’t wear it - it’s causing you no harm
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Her religion does not 'ask' her to cover her face, the custom is modern and has been perpetuated by Muslim fundamentalist in Saudi Arabia. It has become more of a fashionable garment in the West. I think covering the face in Public is making a statement that you don't want to be recognised and as such is antisocial and unacceptable for security reasons. Some countries have created Laws that make wearing the garment in Public illegal and that creates the 'Right' to demand it is not worn.
 
SocketRocket said:
Her religion does not 'ask' her to cover her face, the custom is modern and has been perpetuated by Muslim fundamentalist in Saudi Arabia. It has become more of a fashionable garment in the West. I think covering the face in Public is making a statement that you don't want to be recognised and as such is antisocial and unacceptable for security reasons. Some countries have created Laws that make wearing the garment in Public illegal and that creates the 'Right' to demand it is not worn.
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Again the law hadnt been created here and the government have already said they have no intentions of creating the law

As for it being “modern custom” quite clearly it isn’t as it’s been worn for centuries throughout time all over Asianand Africa , and how can you suggest what it’s become when you don’t wear it

A very small minority of countries have reacted to terrorist incidents and banned them -‘doesn’t mean every country should follow suit and there have also been plenty of protests and challenges in court by Ladies saying it infringes on their human rights and their right to choose to wear it

And you thinking they are just covering up so they aren’t recognised is nothing but paranoia and lack of acceptance
 
Liverpoolphil said:
A very small minority of countries have reacted to terrorist incidents and banned them -‘doesn’t mean every country should follow suit and there have also been plenty of protests and challenges in court by Ladies saying it infringes on their human rights and their right to choose to wear it
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Does that equally apply if I am banned from wearing a balaclava when I go to the bank or to buy petrol? Are my human rights being infringed as it's my right to choose to wear it?
 
And by the discussion here Johnson has succeeded - as any debate about the appropriateness or otherwise of using mocking and intemperate language has largely been superseded by debate on the actual substance of what he wants debated and where his wider constituency lies. And in this debate he [ulls in many more than just conservative party members.

Trump get's the media talking about his intemperate and deceitful words, whilst his intended audience hears an underlying message that appeals to them. And when Trump has caught that audience and changes his tune to fit what the audience want to hear - and the media call that out - Fake News! The people Trump wants on board and are onboard with what Trump says to the today. What the media reports he said yesterday or the day before that conflicts with today's message - well that is all Fake News.

And so we wait for a change of position from Boris now that he has the islam-haters and islam-intolerants (and there are many out there) listening.
 
MegaSteve said:
More and more folk have become religion intolerant not just Islam...
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There seems little evidence of that, but for sure if we could clear the world of religion we'd be in a better place. People arguing about whose interpretation of a fairy story is the correct one. Give it a rest.
 
HughJars said:
There seems little evidence of that, but for sure if we could clear the world of religion we'd be in a better place. People arguing about whose interpretation of a fairy story is the correct one. Give it a rest.
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100% Agree...Religion is vile. It is dangerous and divisive. It achieves nothing other than keeping simpletons in order for fear of either not shagging numerous virgins in paradise for eternity, or ending up in an extremely hot place being prodded with hot pokers. I am convinced the vast majority of people in the world, if left to their own devices, are decent people who want only what is best for their families and friends. Why let the obscenity of religion, that is an irrational belief in the unbelievable, corrupt that basic decency.?
 
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