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The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

A British Airways employee gets told that she can't wear a crucifix, and hyper-indignation happens. Court cases and tribunals...

A muslim woman gets told she can't wear a naqib, and what happens?

I don't get the, "ah but it covers her face." So what. Are we to use the excuse of potential terrorists, and in so doing penalise 1,000's of legitimate wearers? Is the UK so intolerant that we don't respect their religion and their wishes? When did the UK join the race to the bottom, alongside Denmark and France?
 
I think cyclists in Lycra look ridiculous.
I also think golfers (including me) in Rupert Bear pants look silly.
Don’t even get me started on Morris Men!
To some I have just committed a hate crime.... or have I criticised the wrong people for that?
 
Hobbit said:
A British Airways employee gets told that she can't wear a crucifix, and hyper-indignation happens. Court cases and tribunals...

A muslim woman gets told she can't wear a naqib, and what happens?

I don't get the, "ah but it covers her face." So what. Are we to use the excuse of potential terrorists, and in so doing penalise 1,000's of legitimate wearers? Is the UK so intolerant that we don't respect their religion and their wishes? When did the UK join the race to the bottom, alongside Denmark and France?
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So we have an Imam, Dr Taj Hargey backing Boris and saying he shouldn't apologise - he is quoted as saying that the Burka “a nefarious component of a trendy gateway theology for religious extremism and militant Islam”.

He also says that nowhere in the Quran does it mention the need to wear one.
 
A leading Iman if that's the word, has sent a letter into the times newspaper. If anyone can post a copy greatly appreciated. Anyway he is in total support of Boris Johnson. In fact he says " Boris has not gone far enough". He says "there is nothing at all in the Koran about the wearing of the Burka and it is just a trendy gateway theology for religious extremism and militant Islam".He says that Boris should not have to apologise. Now this Iman could come across as an " extreme Muslim " crackpot". But he has been a long time critic of the wearing of Burkas, furthermore he is an advocate of both men and women being allowed to pray together.
When I hear comments like his, which come from someone who totally understands the issue, compared to the upper class Tory snobs that say wearing a Burka is like wearing a crucifix. Lord help us. The crucifix is a religious symbol. The Burka is not. But it's not about that, it's about the wearing of the burka and other similar items intimidates some people.
 
Honest answer...….does anyone on here feel intimidated by a woman wearing a burka, if so please explain why.


I feel intimidated by burly white guys with rings through their noses loads of tattoos and a shaven head, but a woman wearing a burka..naw.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Honest answer...….does anyone on here feel intimidated by a woman wearing a burka, if so please explain why.


I feel intimidated by burly white guys with rings through their noses loads of tattoos and a shaven head, but a woman wearing a burka..naw.
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How about a man wearing a burka?


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I believe the Quran has multiple comments about asking ladies to cover up their faces when in public etc etc - it doesnt specifically say " wear a Burka" but it does say ladies should wear Burkas to keep their innocence etc and to hide their beauty , i believe there was also Islam Prophets who said the same thing

But then it doesnt bother me , they dont harm me , they havent harmed anyone and i think its born out of fear , paranoia and good old lack of acceptance for other peoples faith and religion

Its not the wearing of a burka that hurts people its the actions of people.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Honest answer...….does anyone on here feel intimidated by a woman wearing a burka, if so please explain why.


I feel intimidated by burly white guys with rings through their noses loads of tattoos and a shaven head, but a woman wearing a burka..naw.
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So burly black guys with rings thru' their noses etc etc don't bother you at all?


Guessing you don't come across too many burqa/niqab wearers, in your community, so not quite sure how you would know how would deal with it if you did actually meet any...


And, no I don't feel intimidated... A bit 'uneasy' [maybe] but not intimidated...
As I said earlier, in time I feel, the wearing of the burqa/niqab will be become a rarer sight in the way it is now quite uncommon to see turban wearing Sikhs... Just hope the other associated 'stuff' like arranged marriages, child brides and FGM get confined to history also...
 
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60% of those polled for Sky don't think Johnson should apologise for the 'joke that misfired' (I'll be kind).

If any of us told a joke that misfired and upset someone - we'd apologise - wouldn't we? If someone made a joke about my wife's attire - let's just say something like 'it makes you look like a dump truck' hohoho, my wife might well be very insulted and very upset. Would I stand there telling her to chill-out - it's only a joke. I don't think so. I would demand an apology and if I didn't get one them I might just punch the guy - maybe.

And yet 60% of those polled don't think he should apologise for the 'joke'. What a sad country we are becoming.
 
Women wearing the burka/niqab might not have hurt anyone Doon but the terror suspect who escaped wearing one as a disguise could have done.

Or the guy that has just been jailed for torturing and murdering a shop owner during a burglary while wearing a burka as a disguise certainly did hurt someone.
 
Sweep said:
I think cyclists in Lycra look ridiculous.
I also think golfers (including me) in Rupert Bear pants look silly.
Don’t even get me started on Morris Men!
To some I have just committed a hate crime.... or have I criticised the wrong people for that?
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Cyclist in Lycra know they look ridiculous
Golfers in Rupert Bear pants know they look silly
Morris Men know they are Morris Men

All the above are quite happy and accept that others might giggle and point.

Muslim women wearing the niqab do so in all seriousness - they are entitled to expect respect from others - not be made the butt of a senior politicians 'joke' - a joke that will be found funny by those of a certain mindset and whose favour he wishes to curry.
 
MegaSteve said:
You know this for sure?

And, if so, why they wear it 'in all seriousness'...
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Yes - many - if not the majority - do - they want to wear it and are quite comfortable wearing it. And if you are honest to yourself you know that for a fact - so please don't demonstrate that you are one of the 60%.
 
MegaSteve said:
So what about those that wear it out of fear?
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They wear it out of fear. You are debating the rights or wrongs of the niqab.

The problem facing Johnson is not about that debate - it is about his 'joke' and refusal to apologise. A 'joke' that would have insulted and hurt a section of the British population going about their business harming no-one.

Yet 60% of those polled think that that is OK and that he need not apologise. And johnson sits there smiling as he knows his deliberate words are having exactly the effect he wanted - his deliberate words are dividing us.

And before long it will be as it is in the states - where it does not really matter what Trump says - if Johnson's dog whistle plays the right tune then his 'side' will follow him - regardless. And eventually every media outlet, politician or commentator who comments negatively about Boris will be accused of being a purveyor of 'fake news'

And that is troubling and sad - what has happened to us?
 
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Re the "intimidation" factor - I'd like to see how some would feel travelling on the tube in London when you're suddenly surrounded by men and women in the full religious dress in question. I know of at least 4 people who have got off the tube and waited for the next train.

Here's a scenario which happened this week to the guy who sits next to me at work..... he's standing on the tube when a woman gets on (all you can see is eyes) and she had a black shopping trolley (think along the lines of the thing your nan uses) absolutely crammed full with something, he said all he could see on top was white cloth. Because of everything thats happened in recent years his mind starts racing as to what could be in that trolley and I'll quote him here "I thought at least I'm standing right next to her, so if it does go off at least I wont feel anything".....and that I'm afraid is the reality that many people live with day in day out.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Women wearing the burka/niqab might not have hurt anyone Doon but the terror suspect who escaped wearing one as a disguise could have done.

Or the guy that has just been jailed for torturing and murdering a shop owner during a burglary while wearing a burka as a disguise certainly did hurt someone.
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The terror suspect/burglar could easily have chosen a nun's outfit for a disguise.
 
drdel said:
If I visit certain countries they may demand certain dressing codes, why do those people who voluntarily come to the UK decide not to be bound by or respect our culture?
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Welllllll, maybe because we don't have such dress codes, maybe because we're NOT a country in thrawl to religious nuttery (except the pretendy type peddled by Jayda Fransen, Yaxley-Lennon & Rangers football club supporters). Just a thought.
 
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