The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

SocketRocket said:
Once again. In that post I didnt disagree with your comments, I only suggested that people should also consider the acts against Christains which do not get the same support and condemnations. If you are trying to read something else into it then I cant help you.
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I’m not reading anything in to it.

I posted a factual comment on something that happened yesterday.

Your reply didn’t make any sense, as, as far as I’m aware the EHCR haven’t received any dossier on christianophobia and therefore I have no idea how big it would be or what difference it makes to them receiving the dossier on allegations of islamophobia in the tory party.
 
You can always guarantee that threads involving politics, religion, race or footy will cause problems, the only one missing from this thread is footy, so it’s a smouldering cauldron full of popcorn.

Right
The accusations of who said what, and to whom stop right now.

Socket, Wolf, Paul, please take a break away from this thread for a few days

I do not believe that anyone on here is being intentionally racist (otherwise I’d have kicked them off) But I do want people to be careful what they post, as the written word can be easily mis-interpreted,

Back on topic please
 
chrisd said:
..... and as big a load of rollocks as I've read in a long while
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You might think so - but I had to have a check on my thinking when I asked myself that question. We never have had a 100% indigenous Brit population (whatever that is) but I asked myself whether it would be a good thing or not if we could have. I don’t believe so. We are a very rich nation by having a wide diversity of cultures and ethnicities.

I fear that whilst it is i would hope very true that the number of racists in this country is very small I might suggest that the numbers holding racist views of some degree might not be quite so small. And as we do not actually know the extent of that it is important that leaders in our country - especially political - are careful about their use of language so as not to add any normalisation or legitimacy to these views - however mild they might seem to those holding the views.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I fear (and I really do) that the last 4 years have exposed a rather unpleasant underbelly belonging to quite a large section (but I would hope still a huge minority) of the UK population - who if asked whether they would - if they could - replace 10 million non-indigenous British UK residents (estimated in 2017 to be 9.382m) with 10 million expats and family - we might well guess what the answer would be. I am not sure what reasons would be given - but it couldn't be down to overcrowding, a full country, or infrastructure not being up to the job. Maybe something to do with 'getting our country back'.

100% hypothetical of course (though as a question it isn't) but for me rather worrying as we look forward the next few years...given past comments made and expectations raised and set by such as Johnson (though he is far from the worst culprit).
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If you type in UK race riots you might be surprised to see there's been race riots in almost every decade for the last 100 years. Has the UK sunk to new lows? It has if you want to use Brexit as an indicator, because its convenient for your argument, but I'd argue it hasn't changed barely a jot. And in that respect i find your question rather shallow.
 
Hobbit said:
If you type in UK race riots you might be surprised to see there's been race riots in almost every decade for the last 100 years. Has the UK sunk to new lows? It has if you want to use Brexit as an indicator, because its convenient for your argument, but I'd argue it hasn't changed barely a jot. And in that respect i find your question rather shallow.
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Whilst I would agree that the number of racists probably hasn’t changed, I would argue that the visibility of it is much increased. Not that it has been normalised, but I’m absolutely certain that people in senior positions are much more comfortable excusing people who make statements that many consider racist, just because they hold opinions that coincide with their own.
I’ll leave people smarter than me to discuss why that might be.
 
bluewolf said:
Whilst I would agree that the number of racists probably hasn’t changed, I would argue that the visibility of it is much increased. Not that it has been normalised, but I’m absolutely certain that people in senior positions are much more comfortable excusing people who make statements that many consider racist, just because they hold opinions that coincide with their own.
I’ll leave people smarter than me to discuss why that might be.
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Crikey Danny, where would we start, and where would it end, if we were to review changing standards of acceptable behaviour. How many shop lifters get anything more than a caution? How many Friday night pub fights end up with more than the Police separating the idiots? How often do the Police turn out for a burglary? And then it’s black ankle socks with shorts...

Visibility? Sensationalist reporting has not only increased the visibility, it’s also increased(incited) the emotion that goes with it.
 
Hobbit said:
Crikey Danny, where would we start, and where would it end, if we were to review changing standards of acceptable behaviour. How many shop lifters get anything more than a caution? How many Friday night pub fights end up with more than the Police separating the idiots? How often do the Police turn out for a burglary? And then it’s black ankle socks with shorts...

Visibility? Sensationalist reporting has not only increased the visibility, it’s also increased(incited) the emotion that goes with it.
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If we’re going to look at the Media and it’s sensationalist leanings then I’d be far more interested in the people deciding editorial policy and the Venn diagram detailing them and senior politicians/SPAD’s. it would be closer to a perfect circle than many realise.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You might think so - but I had to have a check on my thinking when I asked myself that question. We never have had a 100% indigenous Brit population (whatever that is) but I asked myself whether it would be a good thing or not if we could have. I don’t believe so. We are a very rich nation by having a wide diversity of cultures and ethnicities.

I fear that whilst it is i would hope very true that the number of racists in this country is very small I might suggest that the numbers holding racist views of some degree might not be quite so small. And as we do not actually know the extent of that it is important that leaders in our country - especially political - are careful about their use of language so as not to add any normalisation or legitimacy to these views - however mild they might seem to those holding the views.
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I dont think it's a load of rollocks, I'm absolutely certain it is. I really cannot comprehend your thinking
 
chrisd said:
I dont think it's a load of rollocks, I'm absolutely certain it is. I really cannot comprehend your thinking
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Spot on!!!

Time and time again its 2+2=5. He spins a point, throws pixie dust at it and then tells you that the chicken bones have fallen a particular way. Facts are disctinctly missing or twisted and when you pull him for it, time and again he tells you its only an opinion..... its fact till you confront him.

He's Farage/Johnson in sheep's clothing.
 
Hobbit said:
Spot on!!!

Time and time again its 2+2=5. He spins a point, throws pixie dust at it and then tells you that the chicken bones have fallen a particular way. Facts are disctinctly missing or twisted and when you pull him for it, time and again he tells you its only an opinion..... its fact till you confront him.

He's Farage/Johnson in sheep's clothing.
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He can at times be worse than that, Farage/ Johnson admit to their beliefs
 
Hobbit said:
Spot on!!!

Time and time again its 2+2=5. He spins a point, throws pixie dust at it and then tells you that the chicken bones have fallen a particular way. Facts are disctinctly missing or twisted and when you pull him for it, time and again he tells you its only an opinion..... its fact till you confront him.

He's Farage/Johnson in sheep's clothing.
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He has such a negative attitude to life, I really am bewildered as to how he comes up with these ideas. GPS devices was bad enough, Brexit a nightmare, but what's coming now is just fantasy island
 
chrisd said:
He has such a negative attitude to life, I really am bewildered as to how he comes up with these ideas. GPS devices was bad enough, Brexit a nightmare, but what's coming now is just fantasy island
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Says the poster who is adamant that the EU need us more than we need them from a trading perspective. Everyone has their views, but sad there's a pile on yet again against the same one or two posters. All he said is that leaders need to be careful about what they say as to not embolden an increasingly fractious society. Not that fantasy island to me.
 
patricks148 said:
stand by for classic Tory deflection and no doubt,,,, "But Labour are anti semitic:cry:"
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I don't believe Labour, as an organisation, are actively anti-semetic, though the refusal to adopt internationally accept definitions of anti-semetism doesn't help their cause. There are, after all, a significant number of jewish folk in positions of influence, just as there are in the Tories

Rather than being anti-semetic, I believe Labour, as a 'natural home for the oppressed', is pro-Palestinian - an attitude I have some sympathy with.

There have been plenty of instances of supposed anti-semetic comments and attitudes from Tory folk too!
 
chrisd said:
He has such a negative attitude to life, I really am bewildered as to how he comes up with these ideas. GPS devices was bad enough, Brexit a nightmare, but what's coming now is just fantasy island
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I so hope he’s in your group at h4h!
 
After the seriously dividing events of the last 3 and half years - the coronavirus risk to the country presents Johnson with an unexpected (albeit 100% unwished for) opportunity to bring the country together.

The virus respects none of country, region, individual, political or views on the EU or the future. We are all equally at risk. We have to collaborate as individuals and as groups of individuals. This will happen I have little doubt - especially if the PM provides sound and clear leadership with unambiguous communication informed by our experts (rather than political opinion, self-interest or hunches cf what's going on in the USA). Indeed this is the sort of leadership that he seems well capable of; that we are told that he prefers; and indeed that he now seems to be providing - albeit perhaps a little tardily in respect of Cobra meetings (but that is past).

And so in looking for a glimmer of a silver lining to the difficult situation the country is in today - I pray that when the outbreak is contained and under-control - and the impact is reducing - that Johnson bears in mind the angry division of the last few years; compares that with what we will (hopefully) do together over the coming months - and going forward into 2021 acts and leads accordingly.
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