The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

[Deleted member 16999]

I'd venture to say that across the population of the UK racists and religious zealots are a long way from being 'common' or the majority. To suggest a person's particular political leaning of being Labour, Liberal or Conservative etc. marks them out as a racist or intolerant of certain faiths is very wide of the mark.

The UK is one of the most open and tolerant societies in the world and it is something about which we should be proud and it should not be undermined by minority 'point scoring hype.

The theme of the thread was the PM, perhaps those wanting to challenge intolerance may want to start such a thread.

The theme of this thread is 4 years old, it has meandered along and changed over those 4 years.

Do you really suggest we keep adding new political threads everytime something occurs.

Maybe you could of made your point earlier in the week when Pritti Patel was discussed?

I really find it strange how some posters never, ever post their balanced view when Labour, Corbyn, Abbott or SNP Politicians are discussed and happily like and support said posts.

 

[Wolf]

I disagree with your post and accusations. I do indeed have an opinion on immigration and it forms a part of a wider view I hold on overpopulation of the country and Planet, these views are nothing to do with Religion or other peoples beliefs and I find it difficult to understand why you are suggesting this. Maybe it would help if you were to actually read and even discuss/question my viewpoint rather than attacking me in this manner.

My previous post was not an acceptance of Islamophobia but rather a comment suggesting that other faiths are also treated with disrespect and derision and a level handed view should be used. If you want examples of blinkered views and blunt accusations then look to a few of the posts here where it is suggested that because someone votes conservative they are automatically a racist.

I repeat that I dont have a racist bone in my body and resent being accused by you or anyone else of doing so. You Sir are using the same strategy against me that you accuse me of using, please show some evidence where I have used my views on immigration or population in a Racist manner!

Where did I accuse of racism.. I would suggest you also read what's written rather than what you assume is written.

Immigration was mentioned as you alway revert to it so stop playing the race card because nobody has mentioned racism.

Pathetic SR absolutely pathetic.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I fear (and I really do) that the last 4 years have exposed a rather unpleasant underbelly belonging to quite a large section (but I would hope still a huge minority) of the UK population - who if asked whether they would - if they could - replace 10 million non-indigenous British UK residents (estimated in 2017 to be 9.382m) with 10 million expats and family - we might well guess what the answer would be. I am not sure what reasons would be given - but it couldn't be down to overcrowding, a full country, or infrastructure not being up to the job. Maybe something to do with 'getting our country back'.

100% hypothetical of course (though as a question it isn't) but for me rather worrying as we look forward the next few years...given past comments made and expectations raised and set by such as Johnson (though he is far from the worst culprit).

 

[chrisd]

I fear (and I really do) that the last 4 years have exposed a rather unpleasant underbelly belonging to quite a large section (but I would hope still a huge minority) of the UK population - who if asked whether they would - if they could - replace 10 million non-indigenous British UK residents (estimated in 2017 to be 9.382m) with 10 million expats and family - we might well guess what the answer would be. I am not sure what reasons would be given - but it couldn't be down to overcrowding, a full country, or infrastructure not being up to the job. Maybe something to do with 'getting our country back'.

100% hypothetical of course (though as a question it isn't) but for me rather worrying as we look forward the next few years...given past comments made and expectations raised and set by such as Johnson (though he is far from the worst culprit).

..... and as big a load of rollocks as I've read in a long while

 

[ColchesterFC]

The world's only albino orangutan has been spotted alive and well in Borneo a year after she was released into the wild.

In other news Boris Johnson has been seen sitting in a tree eating watermelon........

 

[SocketRocket]

Where did I accuse of racism.. I would suggest you also read what's written rather than what you assume is written.

Immigration was mentioned as you alway revert to it so stop playing the race card because nobody has mentioned racism.

Pathetic SR absolutely pathetic.

You said :
"Case of someone we all know who blames immigration for most things and says more about their lack of acceptance of others beliefs"

I suggest that as the discussion was about Islamaphobia your comment suggests I have a lack of acceptance for others beliefs and as such this makes me Islamaphobic and as such racist. Does it not?
I still cannot understand why you have decided to bring my view on reducing immigration (I certainly dont blame it on everything) into debate, I can only assume its mentioned in relation to me not wanting foreigners in the country which again is a racist allegation (slur) is it not?

You said :
"A case of the sort of person who should be held accountable for an unwillingness to see others faiths being derided by a party or social politic agenda that meets their personal criteria. I'd also say that wasn't a reasonable defence but a downright pathetic statement."

Here you suggest I be made accountable for supporting other faith's being derided . Surely that would be the act of a racist. Would it not?

I repeat that my comment was to highlight that as much as Islamaphobia is wrong the same morals should be used against the phobia used against other Faith's, unfortunatly though we see certain members on this site often castigate other members for their Christian belief with immunity. Pathetic as it may seem to you I find it a matter of importance.

 

[Wolf]

You said :
"Case of someone we all know who blames immigration for most things and says more about their lack of acceptance of others beliefs"

I suggest that as the discussion was about Islamaphobia your comment suggests I have a lack of acceptance for others beliefs and as such this makes me Islamaphobic and as such racist. Does it not?
I still cannot understand why you have decided to bring my view on reducing immigration (I certainly dont blame it on everything) into debate, I can only assume its mentioned in relation to me not wanting foreigners in the country which again is a racist allegation (slur) is it not?

You said :
"A case of the sort of person who should be held accountable for an unwillingness to see others faiths being derided by a party or social politic agenda that meets their personal criteria. I'd also say that wasn't a reasonable defence but a downright pathetic statement."

Here you suggest I be made accountable for supporting other faith's being derided . Surely that would be the act of a racist. Would it not?

I repeat that my comment was to highlight that as much as Islamaphobia is wrong the same morals should be used against the phobia used against other Faith's, unfortunatly though we see certain members on this site often castigate other members for their Christian belief with immunity. Pathetic as it may seem to you I find it a matter of importance.

No it wouldn't be racist I never called you racist or mentioned race, religion a d immigration was mentioned not race so stop playing the race card.

I mentioned immigration which you do always bring up, I never mentioned race. Again stop reading what you think you see..

 

[SocketRocket]

No it wouldn't be racist I never called you racist or mentioned race, religion a d immigration was mentioned not race so stop playing the race card.

I mentioned immigration which you do always bring up, I never mentioned race. Again stop reading what you think you see..

If you suggest that my views on immigration means I dont accept others beliefs in a discussion about islamaphobia then you are suggesting I am islamaphobic which is racist. Is it not?
I just cant understand why you had a need to mention my views on immigration. I have spoken on the subject but only on context of a subject being discussed, I dont 'always bring it up' that's a gross exaggeration.

 

[Wolf]

If you suggest that my views on immigration means I dont accept others beliefs in a discussion about islamaphobia then you are suggesting I am islamaphobic which is racist. Is it not?
I just cant understand why you had a need to mention my views on immigration. I have spoken on the subject but only on context of a subject being discussed, I dont 'always bring it up' that's a gross exaggeration.

It was mentioned in direct response to a question I was asked and your views on immigration are well known and you do often mention them in relation to the context that was being discussed. Again i never referred to race I referred to religion stop twisting the facts to suit your personal agenda in trying to say I called you racist.

Direct quote on the definition of islamophobia from the dictionary "Islamophobia is the fear, hatred of, or prejudice against the Islamic religion"

Again I'll ask you once more stop trying play the race card because nobody except you has mentioned race. I won't reply any further because clearly you can't see past the facts and if you wish to further accuse me of calling you racist which I 100% factually did not do then go ahead and do so but we'll let the MODs resolve it as this is just continuing to derail a thread.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

How big would be a dossier detailing allegations over claims of Christianaphobia? Much bigger I would suggest but aparantly acceptable in our new world of selective diversity.

Against my better judgement Can I just ask 1 question.

Why didn’t you post this response in any of the GE Threads last year when we were discussing the dossier handed to the EHCR about Labour’s anti-semitism?

Looking back through those threads you never once raised the question of christianophobia or even mentioned the word christianophobia.

 

[Dando]

If you suggest that my views on immigration means I dont accept others beliefs in a discussion about islamaphobia then you are suggesting I am islamaphobic which is racist. Is it not?
I just cant understand why you had a need to mention my views on immigration. I have spoken on the subject but only on context of a subject being discussed, I dont 'always bring it up' that's a gross exaggeration.

Islam isn’t a race so how can it be racist?

 

[SocketRocket]

Against my better judgement Can I just ask 1 question.

Why didn’t you post this response in any of the GE Threads last year when we were discussing the dossier handed to the EHCR about Labour’s anti-semitism?

Looking back through those threads you never once raised the question of christianophobia or even mentioned the word christianophobia.

Because it was a different subject. What has labour anti semitism got to do with it. You may notice I did not accuse Labour of anti semitism.

 

[SocketRocket]

Islam isn’t a race so how can it be racist?

I dont make those rules, racism is called against people who critisise Islam but never Christianity. It is also used/inferred against people who have concerns about immigration and population.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Because it was a different subject. What has labour anti semitism got to do with it. You may notice I did not accuse Labour of anti semitism.

I never said you accused anyone of anything, I’m simply asking why when 2 dossiers have been handed to the EHCR, about our 2 main political parties, containing similar allegations you only mention christianophobia today?
Were you not worried about how big a dossier detailing allegations about christianophobia would of been 4 months ago?

 

[SocketRocket]

It was mentioned in direct response to a question I was asked and your views on immigration are well known and you do often mention them in relation to the context that was being discussed. Again i never referred to race I referred to religion stop twisting the facts to suit your personal agenda in trying to say I called you racist.

Direct quote on the definition of islamophobia from the dictionary "Islamophobia is the fear, hatred of, or prejudice against the Islamic religion"

Again I'll ask you once more stop trying play the race card because nobody except you has mentioned race. I won't reply any further because clearly you can't see past the facts and if you wish to further accuse me of calling you racist which I 100% factually did not do then go ahead and do so but we'll let the MODs resolve it as this is just continuing to derail a thread.

I wont leave it. Again you have said my views on immigration are well known so you must have felt that was somehow relevant, it was an accusation and unfair. You know you used it as a leverage against me so please dont deny it. I have respected your posts but am rather dissapointed in what you said here.

 

[SocketRocket]

I never said you accused anyone of anything, I’m simply asking why when 2 dossiers have been handed to the EHCR, about our 2 main political parties, containing similar allegations you only mention christianophobia today?
Were you not worried about how big a dossier detailing allegations about christianophobia would of been 4 months ago?

I have not followed these dossiers closely as the subject does not really interest me. I think a lot of the accusations against Labour have been mixing anti Israeli and anti semitism. Likewise some of the accusations of islamaphobia appear to be exaggerated somewhat. Some on here seem to be looking for things that have not been said or inferred, I repeat, my earlier comment didnt suggest any phobias are right, quite the opposite I said that all attacks on religions are wrong equally.

 

[Wolf]

I wont leave it. Again you have said my views on immigration are well known so you must have felt that was somehow relevant, it was an accusation and unfair. You know you used it as a leverage against me so please dont deny it. I have respected your posts but am rather dissapointed in what you said here.

I did feel it was relevant to the overall context as you'll often drag immigration out in context with these type of debates to the question I was asked and the fact you chose to use the term Christianphonia in reply to Islamaphobia but had never thought once to do so when antisemitism was being banded about which comes across as a little double standard almost like a defence of the Tory party but wouldn't think to do the same with the shoe on the other left foot so to speak.

But you played the race card so don't talk about respect when you've said in several posts I'm calling you racist.. I'm not using it as leverage against you don't be so pedantic, your the one perusing a race argument that was never once mentioned so yes you should drop it because its factually untrue.

But if you wish to continue to go over the same point feel free SR because it's getting rather boring pointing out the facts that I never said you were racist.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I have not followed these dossiers closely as the subject does not really interest me. I think a lot of the accusations against Labour have been mixing anti Israeli and anti semitism. Likewise some of the accusations of islamaphobia appear to be exaggerated somewhat. Some on here seem to be looking for things that have not been said or inferred, I repeat, my earlier comment didnt suggest any phobias are right, quite the opposite I said that all attacks on religions are wrong equally.

The only post I have questioned is post #929 and that doesn’t mention anything about “all attacks on religion are wrong equally”

 

[SocketRocket]

The only post I have questioned is post #929 and that doesn’t mention anything about “all attacks on religion are wrong equally”

Once again. In that post I didnt disagree with your comments, I only suggested that people should also consider the acts against Christains which do not get the same support and condemnations. If you are trying to read something else into it then I cant help you.

 

[SocketRocket]

I did feel it was relevant to the overall context as you'll often drag immigration out in context with these type of debates to the question I was asked and the fact you chose to use the term Christianphonia in reply to Islamaphobia but had never thought once to do so when antisemitism was being banded about which comes across as a little double standard almost like a defence of the Tory party but wouldn't think to do the same with the shoe on the other left foot so to speak.

But you played the race card so don't talk about respect when you've said in several posts I'm calling you racist.. I'm not using it as leverage against you don't be so pedantic, your the one perusing a race argument that was never once mentioned so yes you should drop it because its factually untrue.

But if you wish to continue to go over the same point feel free SR because it's getting rather boring pointing out the facts that I never said you were racist.

Please stop deflecting. My views on immigration were not relevant to the subject, you rather used it as a defamatory method to discredit me. I only discuss immigration where it's relevant to the subject and will choose where that is myself.

I have already explained my views on anti semitism and also fail to understand why I am now being accused of not getting involved with that discussion, I didn't realise it was compulsary.