well as long as the current definition of anti Semitism is in place it will always exist esp with israels foreign policy and continuing human rights violations
The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary
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Wolf
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Therein is another issue where people are actually hiding behind religion which is also wrong. We need to be brave enough to understand not agreeing with Israel policies on Palestine, Gaza etc isn't being antisemitic but actually pro human life and being non tolerant of other forms of persecution. What you said earlier is spot on being anti Israel isn't being anti semetic.
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Is that Christianaphobia? Some of those Terrorist attacks have killed people from all religious backgrounds and not simply targeted Christians.
Some of those attacks are more attacks on Western Culture than Religious ideology or simply because of a uniform they wore rather than the person in it.
No doubt there are those opposed to Christianity and what it stands for, but not every terrorist attack against us can be put under that banner imo.
but by definition you arefor those remarks and many of the supposed cases against labour members are for the same thing, the parts of the press loved branding labour and Corbyn as Marxist and the same time Anti Semitic.... forgetting that Karl Marx was a Jew
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I wasn’t really seeing that sort of murderous action as Christianophobia in the context of this discussion but clearly it is related.
Wolf
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Many reasons why I can't stand Corbyn and does himself no favours. But there's no accounting for idiots that cannot see the flaws in their own statements such as the Marxist comment. I'd also argue most weren't saying Corbyn was antisemitic but more issue that he didn't deal with the actual antisemitism issues that arose amongst some of his party members. Which is why Boris now needs to stand up confront these allegations and deal with the people accused.but by definition you arefor those remarks and many of the supposed cases against labour members are for the same thing, the parts of the press loved branding labour and Corbyn as Marxist and the same time Anti Semitic.... forgetting that Karl Marx was a Jew
but this just proves the point, many of those where against Israel, which he prob agrees with how do you deal with a false agenda and a skewed definition of what is actually anti semitism?? its a shame the press didn't bring up the accusations when Ed Milliband was leader... wonder why that was
Wolf
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Quite easily dealt with instead of keeping silent and seemingly doing nothing which ultimately undermined him to many of Labour's own voters, he should have had the balls to come out and address it stating the issues they had with a Israels policies but that he would address the other actual antisemitic issues. Very similar to his stance on Brexit he avoided over and over again the answering where he stood on it an ultimately his inability to address his actual leadership stance on big questions cost him.but this just proves the point, many of those where against Israel, which he prob agrees with how do you deal with a false agenda and a skewed definition of what is actually anti semitism?? its a shame the press didn't bring up the accusations when Ed Milliband was leader... wonder why that was
they did, it was brought up many times and the reason given, that didn't stop the right wing press and the tory's using it as a beating stick and the electorate beliving it
there were many resons why he didn't win... the beard being the most important as far as i was concerned
anyway i voted for the woman who gets refered as half well known comedy double act half that dresses and a small boy
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Unfortunately the press wouldn’t allow it, how many times did he apologise and was still asked to repeat it, how many times did he state what the Labour Party were doing about it? How often were the statements from Jews who supported him shown?
The Media found a stick to beat him with, the opposition parties used it, could or should he of done more? Absolutely, but let’s not pretend all people really cared about the anti-semitism within the Labour Party.
Now the GE is 4 months behind us how often do we read or hear about what Labour are doing in regards anti-semitism and their enquiries or has it all gone away?
Look at this thread, I posted about the allegations of islamophobia in the tory party and within a few posts we’re deflected on to Labour, going over old ground and Christianity.
Wolf
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But did he though really im not convinced. Anyway we're detracting from the thread. Oh and I didn't vote for either Boris or red Jezza?they did, it was brought up many times and the reason given, that didn't stop the right wing press and the tory's using it as a beating stick and the electorate beliving it
there were many resons why he didn't win... the beard being the most important as far as i was concerned
anyway i voted for the woman who gets refered as half well known comedy double act half that dresses and a small boy
Wolf
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Absolutely agree, this thread is no better than the politicians,. People instantly deflect onto others about their shortcomings rather than acknowledge what's going in in their own house so to speak.
The Islamaphobia needs addressing without pushing back on other parties or other religious groups. Deal factually with the issue at hand.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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There have been a fair few times that comments have been made on here about Christianity; my beliefs and my faith, and at times directed at me as one having a religious faith, that if I was a different person I might well find offensive and hurtful. But I know that what I read and the views expressed are just aspects of today's rather atheistic and agnostic life - and so I don't let them bother me as I am pretty good on the 'acceptance' thing. Besides. If I found myself getting bothered or upset then I know what to do...(please - that's not an invitation for posts to try and see the back of me 
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Occasionally, when Corbyn was riled by a line of persistent questioning we caught a glimpse of his anger, and maybe his strength. I honestly don't know where he stood on the issue of antisemitism. In many ways he tried to be everything to everyone and, maybe, fell down in the middle. However, he's no fool. He knew what was going on and did what? Yes we know the media hounded him for it, and just wouldn't let it go.
Does that make him the victim?
Rather than look at what the media said, although there will be an element of truth in there, have a look at how many MP's, councillors and party members were hounded for being Jewish or for supporting the investigation.
I don't think Corbyn is anti-semitic by his actions but he might be by his lack of actions - and that's where i just can't make my mind up.
As for the Tories Islamaphobia, I hope they get crucified for it.
Wolf
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You actually nailed my exact thoughts and feelings there Hobbit. The actual anti semitism that went on taking the not supporting Israel issue out of it was the problem. Like you I feel its his inaction that makes he and the Labour Party during this period come across worse. Because he never truly said where he stood or took it in hand to resolve it we will never know it he is or isn't. For me the lack of action is the worst part as it showed him as to weak to deal with his own party issues let alone deliver a successful government.
Hopefully the islamaphobic morons get outed and nailed for it
pendodave
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The difficulty with these issues is that it prevents any legitimate discussion of particular issues because vested interests cry 'racist'. As mentioned earlier, it is impossible to discuss Israel's treatment of Palestine without being labelled. Equally, how is it possible to discuss the misogyny and oppresively patriarchical nature of Islam in the context of western social expectations without being accused of the same?
The narrative is hijacked by those seeking to defend what would otherwise be indefensible.
The narrative is hijacked by those seeking to defend what would otherwise be indefensible.
SocketRocket
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Yes, I disagree with any religious discrimination and would like an even hand used when dealing with it. I read many posts on this forum that attack and ridicule people for their Christian beliefs.
SocketRocket
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I disagree with your post and accusations. I do indeed have an opinion on immigration and it forms a part of a wider view I hold on overpopulation of the country and Planet, these views are nothing to do with Religion or other peoples beliefs and I find it difficult to understand why you are suggesting this. Maybe it would help if you were to actually read and even discuss/question my viewpoint rather than attacking me in this manner.
My previous post was not an acceptance of Islamophobia but rather a comment suggesting that other faiths are also treated with disrespect and derision and a level handed view should be used. If you want examples of blinkered views and blunt accusations then look to a few of the posts here where it is suggested that because someone votes conservative they are automatically a racist.
I repeat that I dont have a racist bone in my body and resent being accused by you or anyone else of doing so. You Sir are using the same strategy against me that you accuse me of using, please show some evidence where I have used my views on immigration or population in a Racist manner!
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drdel
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I'd venture to say that across the population of the UK racists and religious zealots are a long way from being 'common' or the majority. To suggest a person's particular political leaning of being Labour, Liberal or Conservative etc. marks them out as a racist or intolerant of certain faiths is very wide of the mark.
The UK is one of the most open and tolerant societies in the world and it is something about which we should be proud and it should not be undermined by minority 'point scoring hype.
The theme of the thread was the PM, perhaps those wanting to challenge intolerance may want to start such a thread.
The UK is one of the most open and tolerant societies in the world and it is something about which we should be proud and it should not be undermined by minority 'point scoring hype.
The theme of the thread was the PM, perhaps those wanting to challenge intolerance may want to start such a thread.
I notice you have never felt it was an issue or condemned it when point score has been on the other foot, in fact I think I’ve even seen you liked a few of those posts. In fact one particular poster puts on nothing but point scoring post from twitter and right wing activists and all sorts of right wing clap trap… but those ok though, right?
