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[Ethan]

kid, you are slicing it. Sorry. faders move the ball only a few yards in the air, and generally do so from a straight swing path.

Your problem probably involves some over the top (out to in) and an open clubface.

Try to find a way to draw it. Put the ball back in your stance, close up your shoulders and try to release the hands through impact so the ball starts out to the right and then comes back. Once you have that feeling you will know what a slice feels like in comparison.

Ethan, why is a fade only a few yards and a draw can be over 30 yards? surely whats good for one is good for the other, are all thses people who say they draw a ball, actually hooking it?

I see a fade and a slice as not just being different by degree. A fade usually comes from a solid set up and good mechanics, but a slice doesn't.

Same applies to a draw and a hook.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

kid, you are slicing it. Sorry. faders move the ball only a few yards in the air, and generally do so from a straight swing path.

Your problem probably involves some over the top (out to in) and an open clubface.

Try to find a way to draw it. Put the ball back in your stance, close up your shoulders and try to release the hands through impact so the ball starts out to the right and then comes back. Once you have that feeling you will know what a slice feels like in comparison.

Ethan, why is a fade only a few yards and a draw can be over 30 yards? surely whats good for one is good for the other, are all thses people who say they draw a ball, actually hooking it?

I don't know the official technicalities of whether it's a hook or draw , slice or fade, but to me it's:

Hook - when the clubface is closed at impact, thus sending ball directly left
Slice - clubface open at impact, thus sending ball directly right
draw - swing path is in to out, thus shaping shot right to left
fade - swing path out to in, thus shaping shot left to right

 

[funkyfred]

kid, you are slicing it. Sorry. faders move the ball only a few yards in the air, and generally do so from a straight swing path.

Your problem probably involves some over the top (out to in) and an open clubface.

Try to find a way to draw it. Put the ball back in your stance, close up your shoulders and try to release the hands through impact so the ball starts out to the right and then comes back. Once you have that feeling you will know what a slice feels like in comparison.

Ethan, why is a fade only a few yards and a draw can be over 30 yards? surely whats good for one is good for the other, are all thses people who say they draw a ball, actually hooking it?

I see a fade and a slice as not just being different by degree. A fade usually comes from a solid set up and good mechanics, but a slice doesn't.

Same applies to a draw and a hook.

But that still doesn't tell me why a fade over a few yards is a slice and a draw of over 30 yards isn't a hook.

 

[JustOne]

Most slicers have the ball too far forward and are reaching forward and round to get it.

Yes, and...

Most slicers have their weight too far to the right of the ball,eg: too much shoulder tilt to the right and/or lean.

Most slicers have the grip of the club behind the ball at impact, eg: club overtakes/matches the hands prior to hitting the ball.

Basically if you bring the ball back, keep a little more centered and keep your hands ahead of the clubhead at impact your swingpath should start to take care of itself... however it'll be flippin' hard to get used to for a while..... might need 50 balls at the range to bed in the new swing

Maybe they should try Stack and Tilt?

No. Just minimise the errors as best as possible.

Perhaps they should all start swinging like Faldo?

 

[Ethan]

kid, you are slicing it. Sorry. faders move the ball only a few yards in the air, and generally do so from a straight swing path.

Your problem probably involves some over the top (out to in) and an open clubface.

Try to find a way to draw it. Put the ball back in your stance, close up your shoulders and try to release the hands through impact so the ball starts out to the right and then comes back. Once you have that feeling you will know what a slice feels like in comparison.

Ethan, why is a fade only a few yards and a draw can be over 30 yards? surely whats good for one is good for the other, are all thses people who say they draw a ball, actually hooking it?

I see a fade and a slice as not just being different by degree. A fade usually comes from a solid set up and good mechanics, but a slice doesn't.

Same applies to a draw and a hook.

But that still doesn't tell me why a fade over a few yards is a slice and a draw of over 30 yards isn't a hook.

If you have ever seen a Tour pro hit a fade, you will know the difference. A fade has a strong flight with good distance and control but a slice is a shot where a lot of the power is wasted and the ball is out of control.

It is not simply a matter of degree of curvature.

 

[Sneds]

kid, you are slicing it. Sorry. faders move the ball only a few yards in the air, and generally do so from a straight swing path.

Your problem probably involves some over the top (out to in) and an open clubface.

Try to find a way to draw it. Put the ball back in your stance, close up your shoulders and try to release the hands through impact so the ball starts out to the right and then comes back. Once you have that feeling you will know what a slice feels like in comparison.

Ethan, why is a fade only a few yards and a draw can be over 30 yards? surely whats good for one is good for the other, are all thses people who say they draw a ball, actually hooking it?

I don't know the official technicalities of whether it's a hook or draw , slice or fade, but to me it's:

Hook - when the clubface is closed at impact, thus sending ball directly left
Slice - clubface open at impact, thus sending ball directly right
draw - swing path is in to out, thus shaping shot right to left
fade - swing path out to in, thus shaping shot left to right

My understanding is if a shot goes straight but right, it's a push/block?

If it goes straight and left it's a pull.

A hook/slice would be when it swings wildly through the air and you have no control and/or intention to move it through the air. x

 

[JustOne]

But that still doesn't tell me why a fade over a few yards is a slice and a draw of over 30 yards isn't a hook.

That's easy.... because there is no such shot as a slice, it's an invented word that we put on any shot that we think has curved to the right too much. We COULD call a ball that draws too much a hook, we just choose not to

there is another word called an over-fade that is being thrown around, this is a fade that starts left but crosses the target line as it curves right, also an over-draw (for opposite directions).

The shots are (working from left to right) pull-draw, pull, pull-fade, draw, straight, fade, push-draw, push, push-fade.

The push is often referred to as a block, and the push-fade as an out an out slice... even though that doesn't exist, as I already said


and............... just to clarify......

no one agrees on this either, there are 4 or 5 different examples of ball flight charts out there, so just pick one that you like....

 

[JustOne]

and try to release the hands through impact

Ethan, can you explain the term "release the hands through impact", I'm not sure I know what that means....

Faldo used a drill for this. Stand with the club in the address position. Take a quarter swing back slowly so club is parallel to ground and pointing away from target. It should also be parallel to target line. Back of left hand should be facing forward and face of club facing forward. Then quarter swing slowly through impact so that club reaches parallel to ground again, this time pointing to target. This time back of right hand should be facing forward and face of club pointing backwards.

This is a mini release drill, and if you can do it, you will probably have squared the clubface through impact.

I can't reach any of those prescribed positions unless I don't rotate my shoulders... and pick the club up with my hands and uncock my wrists

Are you advocating a rolling of the wrists?

Crikey!...It seems that you ARE!

 

[USER1999]

Surely working from left to right, the last shot on the list, after push fade, should be shank?

 

[Ethan]

and try to release the hands through impact

Ethan, can you explain the term "release the hands through impact", I'm not sure I know what that means....

Faldo used a drill for this. Stand with the club in the address position. Take a quarter swing back slowly so club is parallel to ground and pointing away from target. It should also be parallel to target line. Back of left hand should be facing forward and face of club facing forward. Then quarter swing slowly through impact so that club reaches parallel to ground again, this time pointing to target. This time back of right hand should be facing forward and face of club pointing backwards.

This is a mini release drill, and if you can do it, you will probably have squared the clubface through impact.

I can't reach any of those prescribed positions unless I don't rotate my shoulders... and pick the club up with my hands and uncock my wrists

Are you advocating a rolling of the wrists?

Crikey!...It seems that you ARE!

Keep trying it. You'll figure it out.

 

[JustOne]

Keep trying it. You'll figure it out.

I'll try....

Remind me again, do I keep the clubface pointing upwards or closed, inside or outside the line?

I know... I'll guess!!!

 

[Ethan]

Keep trying it. You'll figure it out.

I'll try....

Remind me again, do I keep the clubface pointing upwards or closed, inside or outside the line?

Yes.

 

[TonyN]

Then whats a power fade???

 

[Ethan]

Then whats a power fade???

According to Golf magazine:

A power fade is a driving, left-to-right tee shot that you hit on purpose, not because you left the clubface wide open at impact or cut wildly across the ball (the errors you make when you slice).

 

[sawtooth]

Some very good advice for a slicer is to just try to hit the ball out to the right (if you are right handed). To do that you will start getting the club to move inside to out and not outside to in.