Swango1980
Well-known member
That point against Bournemouth looks a lot better now 
Brighton won
Again?
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
PaulMdj
Well-known member
Why when 2 players “come together” is it automatically a foul?
Amad was running across the box and there was contact, imo, not enough to be a foul.
If you get the chance, have a look at the Cunha penalty were there is a clear drag of the shirt, 100% a penalty, nothing like the Amad incident, then tell me if you think there is enough of a shirt pull on Cunha for his legs to buckle and his body jerk like it does.
I may have missed it, but have you expressed your view on the Bournemouth penalty?
I didn’t say it was automatically a foul. I started my post with a question, “where is the line drawn…” and went on to question if the contact was enough to put him off balance…
I have seen the shirt pull. For me, every shirt pull is a foul. The fact referees now needs two falls or a submission before he’ll even consider blowing does a disservice to the game. I’m all for solid, robust tackles even if it sends a player to the ground.
Interesting to see Keith Hackett, previously the head of PGMOL, say that United were denied a penalty for a “clear holding offence” on Amad. His view, which seems to mirror many, is that the incident was absolutely no different to the one which saw Maguire sent off and Bournemouth being awarded their penalty.
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
All that really proves is that in a subjective decision there will never be consistency because he sees it differently to how the ref and VAR see it on the night.
People can go round in circles all day long but referees are humans and this operating VAR are to. 100% of the time with subjective decisions there will always be those that see it as correct and then there will be fans of the clubs crying it’s wrong and against them stating that’s what costs them points but forgetting the awful defensive work at the other end.
This will never be solved, get rid of VAR everyone will say the refs useless and bring back VAR! VAR gets it wrong and they’ll want it to be solely the refs decision and so the never ending circle continues.
I absolutely get all of that, and agree 100%, but it should be a massive concern to all at PGMOL that, whilst waving away a claim for a penalty when the offence happened a few feet away from Attwell and his view was unobstructed, he then gave an identical one from considerably further away, when there were bodies between him and the incident.
The Bournemouth penalty, based on the above observations alone, should have been more difficult to officiate on, yet Attwell had his red card out almost before the Bournemouth player had hit the deck. His decision was so breathtakingly quick that, as first glance, I actually thought he had booked the attacking player for diving.
I’m absolutely not saying the second incident was incorrect, because it was both a penalty and red card. My point is that, in comparison, the Amad incident was absolutely clear cut. And yet in two virtually identical “coming together” calls, his officiating was markedly different.
I’m miffed United were denied a penalty, of course I am. But it’s the blundering inconsistency, which VAR should be there to assist with, which infuriates me. Had Attwell awarded the penalty, there is absolutely no way the VAR was going to intervene to overturn it.
irip
Head Pro
100% agree with this.
It’s why I would like VAR to just judge on factual decisions.
Let the ref decide onfield anything that is an opinion.
Yes mistakes will get made (in some people’s eyes) but at least the football can be enjoyed without the stop start of VAR and the joy of seeing your team score a goal and knowing it’s going to count is back again.
This is in my opinion what football is all about and why we are involved in it as supporters
PaulMdj
Well-known member
Probably missed it when I mentioned the push on their keeper for your 2nd
Maquire straight armed their player, Amad was shoulder to shoulder.
You can watch a match with a bias! I also said you were the better team and deserved to win, but I guess that point was missed as well.
Probably missed it when I mentioned the push on their keeper for your 2nd
Maquire straight armed their player, Amad was shoulder to shoulder.
You can watch a match with a bias! I also said you were the better team and deserved to win, but I guess that point was missed as well.
Any need to be so facetious, Paul? I asked a genuine question to save me wading back through multiple posts to find the answer.
irip
Head Pro
I have not seen the incident but I think this is the perfect chance for the ref to do a quick interview after and explain his decision.
Even if he says from my angle i think there was not enough contact and the player went to ground too easily we know why it wasn’t given.
You may still disagree but I think fans would respect the ref a bit more if they heard an explanation
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
So should they have disallowed your goal for the push on the keeper for the sake of consistency?
Say Atwell awards that penalty and you fail to score but win anyway because Bournemouth didn’t go up the other end and get one. As a fan are you happy that you won with a goal that’s awarded despite that foul on the keeper. Or is that just a case of it’s ok the ref missed it, if so how’s that any different to what fans are moaning about with the Amad decision.
Fans can’t have it both ways that they decry a subjective decision that goes against them and then ignore blatant fouls they got away with if they want consistency and fairness!
GreiginFife
Money List Winner
C’mon guys, I came on to find out how Liverpool were cheated this week and you’re still on about Man Utd.
You’re living in the past. Stop living in the past.
You’re living in the past. Stop living in the past.
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
What push?!
Yes, there was a nudge on the keeper, no worse than that, and not one which had any impact on what followed. I’d be disappointed if a foul was given at either end of the pitch for something so minor. The fact that the keeper at no time made any gesture to the referee that he had been impeded perhaps gives you your answer.
All that is rather a moot point anyway, because I really am referring to a lack of consistency in relation to two virtually identical incidents.
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
And there is the bias!!!
Was a clear foul by Maguire on the keeper but a Utd fan says “What push”. Laws of the game that should be a foul. You want consistency then it has to be across the whole game not just the decision that didn’t go your way.
Point proven nothing else to add maybe best to talk about today’s football as at least it’s relevant
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Liverpool lost because they were rubbish 
And there is the bias!!!
Was a clear foul by Maguire on the keeper but a Utd fan says “What push”. Laws of the game that should be a foul. You want consistency then it has to be across the whole game not just the decision that didn’t go your way.
Point proven nothing else to add maybe best to talk about today’s football as at least it’s relevant
I watched it back before replying. If you really think that’s a foul we might as well all pack up and go home.
If all you want to do is try and prove a point, at least have a stab at being sensible about it, because that’s really rather embarrassing.
