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[anotherdouble]

6 minutes for THE DREADED to rule a Burnley goal out. I don’t understand how you deal with this week in week out. I can see it coming into Championship in the not to distant future and also WSL. Just hope it stays out of EFL 1 and 2 for many many more years

 

[Tashyboy]

6 minutes for THE DREADED to rule a Burnley goal out. I don’t understand how you deal with this week in week out. I can see it coming into Championship in the not to distant future and also WSL. Just hope it stays out of EFL 1 and 2 for many many more years

6 mins.

 

[Swango1980]

6 minutes for THE DREADED to rule a Burnley goal out. I don’t understand how you deal with this week in week out. I can see it coming into Championship in the not to distant future and also WSL. Just hope it stays out of EFL 1 and 2 for many many more years

Just read Paul Tierney was the VAR. I have it in my head that he has been appauling on VAR in the past. I don't think it is a system he should really be allowed to use

 

[BrianM]

What a save Jordan Pickford, doesn’t get better than that for a keeper

 

[Red devil]

What a save Jordan Pickford, doesn’t get better than that for a keeper

Wonderful save.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

That’s me finished with Premier league football. That was not hand ball .
In my day hand ball had to be intentional. But to be honest,I didn’t see that the var ref could be certain that the players hand touched the ball.
And as I write I see on TV that the lines show the other goal was not offside.

Unbelievable.

 

[anotherdouble]

That’s me finished with Premier league football. That was not hand ball .
In my day hand ball had to be intentional. But to be honest,I didn’t see that the var ref could be certain that the players hand touched the ball.
And as I write I see on TV that the lines show the other goal was not offside.

Unbelievable.

Well done. You will feel better for it.

 

[irip]

That’s me finished with Premier league football. That was not hand ball .
In my day hand ball had to be intentional. But to be honest,I didn’t see that the var ref could be certain that the players hand touched the ball.
And as I write I see on TV that the lines show the other goal was not offside.

Unbelievable.

I really do wonder if given the option how fans would vote to keep or bin VAR?
Be interesting to know the players thoughts as well.

 

[PaulMdj]

That’s me finished with Premier league football. That was not hand ball .
In my day hand ball had to be intentional. But to be honest,I didn’t see that the var ref could be certain that the players hand touched the ball.
And as I write I see on TV that the lines show the other goal was not offside.

Unbelievable.

If you’re talking about the Burnley match, you should of watched MOTD, they agreed about the handball, but the offside was definitely off.

 

[Swango1980]

I really do wonder if given the option how fans would vote to keep or bin VAR?
Be interesting to know the players thoughts as well.

I'm pretty sure they'd bin it. I would, on the assumption they are not going to vastly improve it anytime soon.

The problem is, if it was banned, there is no doubt that the following week a goal will be disallowed for offside despite being miles on, or allowed despite being miles off. It would be the pill we'd all have to swallow.

If they are going to do anything, get rid of that ridiculous handball rule, where goals are disallowed because it accidentally glanced off the goalscorers arm. It was a rule invented specifically for VAR to look for

 

[PaulMdj]

I really do wonder if given the option how fans would vote to keep or bin VAR?
Be interesting to know the players thoughts as well.

I don’t like these time delays for VAR, that needs sorting out big time, but on the whole I’d keep VAR, even if we don’t like it, factually there are less mistakes now than ever.

For those who go on about VAR and mistakes, the biggest “fuss” this season so far has been the missed decisions in the FA Cup tie between Villa and Newcastle.

5 games in the Prem yesterday and 2 possible wrong decisions discussed.

VAR will never be 100% and that’s part of the problem, some think it should be.

 

[anotherdouble]

I binned any football with VAR 3 or 4 years ago as I didn’t like the micro management it was doing to the game. Toe nails off side, 3, 4, 5 minutes debating decisions by the same people who make the same mistakes when they are on the field. From what I read, see discussed and hear reactions, it seems in my personal opinion that the system in this country has not got any better in the years it has been in use. I did read that in a recent international tournament, can’t remember which one, that the way VAR was used was being applauded

 

[Swinglowandslow]

If you’re talking about the Burnley match, you should have watched MOTD, they agreed about the handball, but the offside was definitely off.

Yea, a small bit of his elbow, wasn’t it?
The whole idea of a player in an offside position being “wrong” is that he had an advantage ( deemed to be unfair)
How is a bit of an elbow an advantage and unfair? The present rule is pathetic and parameters like that in football rules are not doing the game any good.
Some have suggested that there should be “daylight” between attacker and defender for offside definition, and not only would that be fair, it would be seen by almost all to be fair.

And it’s about time we went back to handball having to be intentional. The referees get paid to make decisions, well, let them go back to making that decision. If VAR is used then I agree that the VAR ref can more readily decide intent than maybe the field ref, ( who may be unsighted) , but he should do so by reviewing at natural speed, not slow motion.
It’s not that hard to make rules in line with ‘natural justice’

 

[Swango1980]

I binned any football with VAR 3 or 4 years ago as I didn’t like the micro management it was doing to the game.

Well, just seen MOTD now.

If anyone ever wants a case study of a match where VAR has sucked the life out of football, Burnley v Brentford is the match to pick.

 

[PaulMdj]

Yea, a small bit of his elbow, wasn’t it?
The whole idea of a player in an offside position being “wrong” is that he had an advantage ( deemed to be unfair)
How is a bit of an elbow an advantage and unfair? The present rule is pathetic and parameters like that in football rules are not doing the game any good.
Some have suggested that there should be “daylight” between attacker and defender for offside definition, and not only would that be fair, it would be seen by almost all to be fair.

And it’s about time we went back to handball having to be intentional. The referees get paid to make decisions, well, let them go back to making that decision. If VAR is used then I agree that the VAR ref can more readily decide intent than maybe the field ref, ( who may be unsighted) , but he should do so by reviewing at natural speed, not slow motion.
It’s not that hard to make rules in line with ‘natural justice’

I agree with your comments on handball, Alan Shearer summed it up very well last night.

But I’m sorry, offside is offside, the whole point of bringing the semi-automated system in was to help the Officials and it does.

Officials can only go by current rules, again, I agree some need changing, but that doesn’t mean they got it wrong yesterday for the offside.

 

[Swango1980]

Yea, a small bit of his elbow, wasn’t it?
The whole idea of a player in an offside position being “wrong” is that he had an advantage ( deemed to be unfair)
How is a bit of an elbow an advantage and unfair? The present rule is pathetic and parameters like that in football rules are not doing the game any good.
Some have suggested that there should be “daylight” between attacker and defender for offside definition, and not only would that be fair, it would be seen by almost all to be fair.

And it’s about time we went back to handball having to be intentional. The referees get paid to make decisions, well, let them go back to making that decision. If VAR is used then I agree that the VAR ref can more readily decide intent than maybe the field ref, ( who may be unsighted) , but he should do so by reviewing at natural speed, not slow motion.
It’s not that hard to make rules in line with ‘natural justice’

Agree with last paragraph.

In the offside, it was the shoulder, not the elbow (i.e. the shoulder is deemed part of the body an outfield player can use). Still feels really harsh though. Less so if those calls could be made almost instantly, so at least fans know the outcome. Otherwise, too many of us simply dont celebrate until the match kicks off again and goal been clarified.

Daylight, in my view, would make no difference. You can still only either be on or off. It would just move the debate as to whether there was a millimetre of daylight or not, or that someone's toenail closed up any daylight between players

 

[Swango1980]

Anyone remember Dorgu's screamer v Arsenal? Before his strike, the camera angle made it appear the ball may have glanced his arm. It was the video VAR kept playing over and over, before finally deciding to give the goal (thankfully, from my point of view).

Other angles that came out later, that didnt seem to be used by VAR, showed it probably didnt glance his arm, and he had actually moved his arm backwards from the ball, probably to avoid it.

VAR that day: Paul Tierney

Same guy takes 4 or 5 minutes yesterday to come up with a different conclusion. Even though the handball elements of both goals feel remarkably similar

 

[Pin-seeker]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028018325251342352

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Any time VAR needs to take over 3 1/2 minutes to decide if something is handball, then quite simply it isn’t handball because that alone proves it’s not clear and obvious. There needs to be a time limit of how long they look at these decisions, every week it’s something and just makes me happier we don’t have it at our level.

 

[clubchamp98]

vAR in itself is a good thing .
It’s just run by absolute muppets inc Howard Webb.

Offside should be judged by the players feet so leaning in dosnt put your shoulder offside.