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Lucifer MorningStar said:
That’s kind of my point feels like a false economy to keep doing the temp manager thing as you get the inevitable upturn in results with players coming back. Fairly decent finish so he gets long term contract more is spent on new players only to rinse and repeat especially if those above are putting their finger in the pie making decision about who is to be signed rather than faith in the manager.

Only for it to not work out, club not move forward and then start the same cycle again. Realistically I can’t see any signings coming in this month as I’ve mentioned above who’d want to with so much uncertainty so Carrick is going to have to rely on the same poor midfield as Amorim and Ten Haag did.
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I agree. Carrick does well, the Club have a headache, especially if they have their heart set on a big name coming in this summer. It didn't work so well when Ole was brought in as caretaker, did well and then was prematurely promoted to long terms manager.

At the same time, they have already got rid of Amorim, and if they do have a big name in mind, they probably are aware they cannot get that manager right now. They rushed Amorim in half a season before he wanted to, and that ended up not working so well. So, I can see their logic of trying to bring someone in until the summer, and then working it out from there.

But, the best solution would probably have been to simply keep Amorim in position, and let things continue as they were. Behind the scenes work out what they are going to do from next summer, and if they want rid of Amorim, do it at the end of the season, and get your next full time manager then. Sadly, their knee jerk reaction has caused this mess, and so now we are discussing potential solutions and scenarios to try and get through this period of instability, largely self inflicted.
 
Swango1980 said:
I agree. Carrick does well, the Club have a headache, especially if they have their heart set on a big name coming in this summer. It didn't work so well when Ole was brought in as caretaker, did well and then was prematurely promoted to long terms manager.

At the same time, they have already got rid of Amorim, and if they do have a big name in mind, they probably are aware they cannot get that manager right now. They rushed Amorim in half a season before he wanted to, and that ended up not working so well. So, I can see their logic of trying to bring someone in until the summer, and then working it out from there.

But, the best solution would probably have been to simply keep Amorim in position, and let things continue as they were. Behind the scenes work out what they are going to do from next summer, and if they want rid of Amorim, do it at the end of the season, and get your next full time manager then. Sadly, their knee jerk reaction has caused this mess, and so now we are discussing potential solutions and scenarios to try and get through this period of instability, largely self inflicted.
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The mistake was not sacking Amorim at the end of the season. By allowing him to continue it sent a message out that that level of performance is acceptable. Can you see Real, Barca or Bayern putting up with that finishing position and still giving the manager time? I don't think Chelsea or Newcastle would accept that, which just shows how low the standards have fallen at Man Utd.

I would've gone for Ole purely as he's done the job before and Carrick has virtually no experience in the top flight. I reckon the club decided against that because it's a bad look and would mean the last 5 years have been one huge mistake.

I would back him to finsh in the Top 5, Utd have nothing other than the league to focus on which will give them a big advantage. It's a tough start but you will see an improvement over the next few months.
 
Lucifer MorningStar said:
Genuine question for Utd fans here. Say Carrick achieves those goals what happens then?

Well done Carrick deserves full time role and the process of rinse and repeat starts again of inexperience manager with zero pressure did well short term but can’t get a proper tune going to move forward. Or thanks for the sit time to step aside and bring in another manager (god knows who) to do another rebuild and move you forward.

I’m not being pedantic I’m genuinely intrigued as there seems to be no forward planning at all with the club and where they seem to be heading.
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I think my expectations regarding Carrick are realistically low. I say that not because of him, but because of the players he has to work with.

Two games post-Amorim and I am reminded how poor we were before him, playing a back four. And that is simply because, from a defensive perspective, United’s midfield is awful. Sit Casemiro and Ugarte/Mainoo in that midfield and we are very, very soft centred, and it perhaps explains just why Amorim was so reluctant to switch from three at the back - when not in possession it gave us an extra defender.

It doesn’t matter to me what formation Carrick plays. With the midfield players available to him at present the problems will remain. The only option I can see, in the absence of a signing (Neves is still being talked about, allegedly), is to put Martinez in there now Maguire seems to be fit again.

In the unlikely event Carrick does what Solskjaer did when he was in interim charge, my preference would still be to appoint a proven manager - yes, I know, yet another one. Given what happened with Solskjaer I would like to think the board have learned their lesson.

So standby for Carrick getting us into the top six, getting a long term contract, and getting the sack by Christmas. Because if there’s one thing we’ve all learned now, it’s that United don’t. Learn.
 
4LEX said:
The mistake was not sacking Amorim at the end of the season. By allowing him to continue it sent a message out that that level of performance is acceptable. Can you see Real, Barca or Bayern putting up with that finishing position and still giving the manager time? I don't think Chelsea or Newcastle would accept that, which just shows how low the standards have fallen at Man Utd.

I would've gone for Ole purely as he's done the job before and Carrick has virtually no experience in the top flight. I reckon the club decided against that because it's a bad look and would mean the last 5 years have been one huge mistake.

I would back him to finsh in the Top 5, Utd have nothing other than the league to focus on which will give them a big advantage. It's a tough start but you will see an improvement over the next few months.
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Why are you trying to compare us to other clubs, other clubs that do not necessarily set the perfect standard themselves. Chelsea have been widely condemned as a circus as well, and Real Madrid have been mocked a fair bit recently.

Man Utd tend to keep their managers for a longer period, and actually give them a bit of time to see what they can do. With so many other good teams in theleague, it is ridiculous to think any manager can just come in, and suddenly make Man Utd better than teams that are, quite simple, better than Man Utd right now. It is an insult to other clubs to think that one man can just make Man Utd by-pass them. Sure, once a manager does finally gget sacked, then obviously you can say he was there too long (theoretically, might as well sacked him after his first day, if you knew in hindsight he was going to get sacked in the future). And Amorim wasn't sacked for his poor performances, he was sacked because he fell out with the board. Had that not happened, there was still a belief he could start to see improvements in the coming year or two, as it became clearer and clearer where the gaping holes in the squad were.

Ole would have been an embarassing choice, in my opinion. The next time we sack a full time manager, who would you suggest comes in as a caretaker? Amorim? Ten Hag? Ole had his chance, and by the end things were very very poor. It is why he got sacked, and most fans were ready for the change when that decision was made.

I hope you are right with Top 5, although I'll personally remain cautions in any predictions. I reckon we could finish anywhere between 5th and 17th. A couple of wins can give you a huge leap up the table, a couple of losses and you are falling backwards just as quickly.
 
Carrick at the Boro;

Started very well, but injuries definitely didn’t help. Entertaining football but, equally, frustrating with kids having to go on when key players were out.

The negatives, perhaps unfairly. Seemed very slow to react to what the other managers would do. Very slow to bring on subs - sometimes games or individuals cried out for change but if it happened, it happened far too late too often. His in-game management was often criticised.

Seemed to be a rigid one tick pony that other managers found out. Why the fallout so late after the season finished? It’s all just whispers but the end of season review asked a number of searching questions. Rumour has it he refused to change.

For me, I’d have liked to see him stay but get the boot in November if things didn’t improve. I felt he deserved another transfer window, although it was rumoured that there’d been big disagreements over summer transfers. Sadly, he’d lost the majority of the fans by the end of the season.
 
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