The Footie Thread

[Tashyboy]

Your comment was ill timed that’s why it was effectively ignored and now shoe horning City in to make it more relevant does the complete opposite and it more pointless mate.

People can question Amorims subs but what was he meant to do. He has some of his best players away at AFCON, Mount was precautionary in hope he isn’t injured and his star player is out for a month. Any subs he made would weaken the starting line up but he has to make them to give players rest.

Newcastle subs were far worse and made less sense nobody questioned Howe! Utd got the result they needed and move forward, it’s not pretty but Amorim is slowly pulling them up the table.

Btw City are still boring

An ill Timed comment straight after the game when there has been X number of comments.
Shoe horning City in is precisely the correct thing to do. If I had just written “ we won” when City are boring. Would that have been an acceptable thing to respond with. It hardly adds to a discussion like we are having.

 

[Red devil]

I'm under no illusion as to the fact Utd are a million miles away from where I'd like them to be. But I thought they fought admirably last night with the players at their disposal.
Gone are the days of taking off Cole and Yorke and bringing on Sheringham and Solskjaer that strength in depth has long gone. I personally wouldn't have taken off Martinez and Shaw. Would Utd have got away with this display against Cuty? Definitely not ! Back in the day few teams would have pinned Utd back with the threat of Giggs, Cole and Scholes ready to pounce and that's one of Utd's problems, of which they're are many, there's no out ball. Still you use the players you've got and hope they put a shift in and that's where we are at the minute with Utd

 

[Swango1980]

Your comment was ill timed that’s why it was effectively ignored and now shoe horning City in to make it more relevant does the complete opposite and it more pointless mate.

People can question Amorims subs but what was he meant to do. He has some of his best players away at AFCON, Mount was precautionary in hope he isn’t injured and his star player is out for a month. Any subs he made would weaken the starting line up but he has to make them to give players rest.

Newcastle subs were far worse and made less sense nobody questioned Howe! Utd got the result they needed and move forward, it’s not pretty but Amorim is slowly pulling them up the table.

Btw City are still boring

The subs of Shaw and Martinez were definitely questionable. However, the others, not so much.

It was clear that after Mount went off, Utd were struggling to find an outlet and keep possession. Had he not made a sub, he'd have been crucified. At same time, it was one of the weakest, least experienced benches we have ever had.

Bringing on Zirkzee for Sesko coud have made sense if Zirkzee just played decent. He didnt, and was worse than Sesko. Fletcher was forced, and he could not do what Mount was doing. I barely noticed him in that second half. And Casemiro seems to struggle in second halfs, Yoro is not the most shocking sub a manager had ever made.

Utd simply had extremely limited options. But they defended well. People may try and excuse it as Newcastle playing poorly. But often a team plays poorly because the opposition force them into playing poorly, and dont give them an easy run at goal. No doubt the likes of Heaven and Martinez had very good games, and Lammens looked assured. Every team, even the better teams, sometimes need to rely on those sorts of performances when they can't get out of 1st gear in possession.

Not a performance to boast we are back to great football. But a win is a win. Other games we have been impressive in attack, less so in defence. So, for me, encouraging signs, just need to piece it altogether, consistently. And continue to do well in transfer windows

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

An ill Timed comment straight after the game when there has been X number of comments.
Shoe horning City in is precisely the correct thing to do. If I had just written “ we won” when City are boring. Would that have been an acceptable thing to respond with. It hardly adds to a discussion like we are having.

Yup ill timed questioning his subs in light of his team winning a match in which the other manager made more questionable decisions. It’s really not hard to see the logic in that at all!

If you had written that it still wouldn’t add or detract the conversation because it’s irrelevant to the game that was being played and reasons it’s was boring. You were insinuating it was all Utd that were boring to what seemed like point scoring whereas in this game Newcastle were just as bad and made wise decisions.

It’s all about balance mate your comment was biased as a City fan to bring down Utd when Utd weren’t the worst of the 2 teams on display. So if you wanna have discussion about go for it bud but do it based on balance of both teams in that game being poor not just the one you like the least.

 

[nickjdavis]

Newcastle subs were far worse and made less sense nobody questioned Howe! Utd got the result they needed and move forward, it’s not pretty but Amorim is slowly pulling them up the table.

I think its fair to criticize Howe in respect of the fact that he is sometimes as guilty as Amorim has been, in respect of sticking to his preferred formation.

I think many Newcastle fans would have loved to have seen Wissa come on and play WITH Woltemade and, certainly last night, Gordon should have been hooked and Barnes bought on to play on the left. Man U were offering virtually nothing as an attacking threat in the second half (yes they fashioned a couple of chances through quick breakaways but at no time was I sat there thinking Newcastle were in any danger of conceding a second) and we could have controlled the game with Guimares and Tonali in the center, with Barnes and Murphy playing as out and out nose to the touchline wingers, backed up on their respective flanks by Hall and Miley. With two blokes in the middle of the box playing off each other, perhaps a bit more confusion would have been caused within the United defence, leading to better scoring opportunities.

Still...we are closer to Europe than we are to the Championship and it will be interesting to see what the transfer window brings when it opens on Thursday. Given that we have a league cup double header and two CL games still to play, one of which we must win to secure a play off place, there still needs to be a strengthening of the squad and maybe a further attacking addition....and it needs to happen as early in the window as possible.

 

[irip]

It is very easy to criticise any manager for their substitutions but they are the ones who see the players training every day.
We don’t know who might be carrying a knock and might only have an hour in them or who has looked jaded or been looking amazing during training.

The manager also doesn’t know if the guy they are bringing on will play better or worse than the player they are taking off.

How many times has a manager brought a player on and he has looked dreadful then popped up with a goal which makes the manager look like a genius?

 

[Hobbit]

It is very easy to criticise any manager for their substitutions but they are the ones who see the players training every day.
We don’t know who might be carrying a knock and might only have an hour in them or who has looked jaded or been looking amazing during training.

The manager also doesn’t know if the guy they are bringing on will play better or worse than the player they are taking off.

How many times has a manager brought a player on and he has looked dreadful then popped up with a goal which makes the manager look like a genius?

I’m yet to see any manager bring on a sub to look bad & lose a match. Newcastle have several players who aren’t playing to last season’s level, and Isak is a miss. Maybe Howe is off the boil too. They’re 11th just short of halfway through the season. No need to panic yet.

 

[irip]

I’m yet to see any manager bring on a sub to look bad & lose a match. Newcastle have several players who aren’t playing to last season’s level, and Isak is a miss. Maybe Howe is off the boil too. They’re 11th just short of halfway through the season. No need to panic yet.

I agree, also they are not far off the top 6.
Couple of wins and they shoot right up the table.

 

[nickjdavis]

I agree, also they are not far off the top 6.
Couple of wins and they shoot right up the table.

Only won back to back league games once this season...so a lot easier said than done!!

I keep telling myself that one day everything will click and we will give a team a real pasting and then back it up the next game with another good performance and solid win and then kick on from there...trouble is, every couple of games, someone seems to have lost a spark plug.

 

[irip]

Only won back to back league games once this season...so a lot easier said than done!!

I keep telling myself that one day everything will click and we will give a team a real pasting and then back it up the next game with another good performance and solid win and then kick on from there...trouble is, every couple of games, someone seems to have lost a spark plug.

I think that could apply to a lot of teams this season.

Newcastle lost their main man at the start of the season and they are still getting used to the new players that joined.

I think they will have a good second half of the season personally

 

[Skytot]

£30m for Cherki is a absolute bargain

 

[Arthur Wedge]

£30m for Cherki is a absolute bargain

Looking a very good signing so far

Thought he was a bit of a flat track bully at Lyon but certainly not showing that so far

 

[Billysboots]

I'm under no illusion as to the fact Utd are a million miles away from where I'd like them to be. But I thought they fought admirably last night with the players at their disposal.
Gone are the days of taking off Cole and Yorke and bringing on Sheringham and Solskjaer that strength in depth has long gone. I personally wouldn't have taken off Martinez and Shaw. Would Utd have got away with this display against Cuty? Definitely not ! Back in the day few teams would have pinned Utd back with the threat of Giggs, Cole and Scholes ready to pounce and that's one of Utd's problems, of which they're are many, there's no out ball. Still you use the players you've got and hope they put a shift in and that's where we are at the minute with Utd

I’ve said it a couple of times of late, United look far more of a threat going forward. They’re scoring goals. Not as many, in truth, as some of their recent performances have warranted. I thought during the first half last night they looked a threat pretty much every time they got the ball in the final third.

But Roy Keane hit the nail on the head. It’s not all about goals. It’s about hard graft and keeping clean sheets. And we have struggled like nothing on earth to do that, in part because we have been missing an entire back three for several weeks, and in part because of the lack of defensive awareness in front of them.

Last night the pairing of Heaven and Martinez worked their combined nads off. They had to. Because, as has been mentioned, once Mount went off United simply couldn’t retain possession in the final third. And Zirkzee clearly remembered how he played against Newcastle at home a year ago and did his best to replicate it - he had a shocker.

Yes, Newcastle were poor. But to say United didn’t put in a resolute, backs to the wall performance in that second half is laughable. If they hadn’t done nobody would be saying it was a crap win, because the result would have been different.

 

[PaulMdj]

I’ve said it a couple of times of late, United look far more of a threat going forward. They’re scoring goals. Not as many, in truth, as some of their recent performances have warranted. I thought during the first half last night they looked a threat pretty much every time they got the ball in the final third.

But Roy Keane hit the nail on the head. It’s not all about goals. It’s about hard graft and keeping clean sheets. And we have struggled like nothing on earth to do that, in part because we have been missing an entire back three for several weeks, and in part because of the lack of defensive awareness in front of them.

Last night the pairing of Heaven and Martinez worked their combined nads off. They had to. Because, as has been mentioned, once Mount went off United simply couldn’t retain possession in the final third. And Zirkzee clearly remembered how he played against Newcastle at home a year ago and did his best to replicate it - he had a shocker.

Yes, Newcastle were poor. But to say United didn’t put in a resolute, backs to the wall performance in that second half is laughable. If they hadn’t done nobody would be saying it was a crap win, because the result would have been different.

Your backs had nothing to do but knock away easy/bad passes from N’Castle, it wasn’t exactly last ditch efforts, they hit the bar and your keeper hardly made a save of any note.

Like I said in my initial post, yous should be over the moon with the 3 points, absolutely laughing your heads off, but, imo, that was more down to how bad they were rather than how decent yous were.

 

[Billysboots]

Your backs had nothing to do but knock away easy/bad passes from N’Castle, it wasn’t exactly last ditch efforts, they hit the bar and your keeper hardly made a save of any note.

Like I said in my initial post, yous should be over the moon with the 3 points, absolutely laughing your heads off, but, imo, that was more down to how bad they were rather than how decent yous were.

Not sure you’re entirely getting it, Paul. Unless I’ve missed it, not one United fan has been gushing with praise regarding last night’s performance, far from it. Personally, my first comment after the final whistle remarked what a tough watch it had been. As a consequence I was and am delighted to take the three points.

But no team in the land concedes the possession United did in the second half, a period during which the game was played almost entirely in their own half, and comes out unscathed without putting in a decent defensive display. Sure, Newcastle contributed to that, I’m not daft, but for anyone to suggest Manchester United didn’t work hard as well just looks like criticism for the sake of it.

 

[clubchamp98]

Watched the City Forest game and still can’t belive how many fouls City got away with before Dias was booked and that was for desent.
Forest were very good until the final third.
The set piece coach needs sacking they were dreadful.
City looked rattled until they scored the second.

Good game to watch but some very bad reffing
Donnaruma gets away with murder pushing strikers then moaning he’s been fouled.

 

[nickjdavis]

I think that could apply to a lot of teams this season.

Newcastle lost their main man at the start of the season and they are still getting used to the new players that joined.

I think they will have a good second half of the season personally

Whilst I largely agree, it isn't the actual loss of Isak that is the main problem....it was the utter disruption the transfer saga caused to the clubs pre-season preparations and not being able to get a replacement who was able to integrate in pre-season. Woltemade (and Wissa following his injury on international duty) is having to effectively "learn on the job" and its often a case of a couple of steps forward and one back. Some of the newcomers have flattered to deceive (especially Elanga) but hopefully as the season progresses some sort of cohesion will begin to form. as i said earlier....the next 4 league games will go a long way to determining whether the season is viewed positively or not.

 

[PaulMdj]

Not sure you’re entirely getting it, Paul. Unless I’ve missed it, not one United fan has been gushing with praise regarding last night’s performance, far from it. Personally, my first comment after the final whistle remarked what a tough watch it had been. As a consequence I was and am delighted to take the three points.

But no team in the land concedes the possession United did in the second half, a period during which the game was played almost entirely in their own half, and comes out unscathed without putting in a decent defensive display. Sure, Newcastle contributed to that, I’m not daft, but for anyone to suggest Manchester United didn’t work hard as well just looks like criticism for the sake of it.

Apart from an honest supporter like yourself giving a fair reflection we’ve had others saying people have not been “fair” and we should be given Utd more credit, the majority of nuetrals have all said yous deserved the lead and the difference was Mount going off.

Then some strange substitutions, Casemiro didn’t look happy, then Shaw and Martinez going off, in the 2nd half they had around 80% possession and didn’t work your defence or keeper, that is entirely on them.

You never had to block 1 shot defensively, they made more defensive headers, you had more shots on target over 90 minutes.

N’Castles 2nd half display was shocking, but I’m sorry, I don’t think any of that was down to how Utd played.

 

[Don Barzini]

Pleased with Forest’s performance today, but in the end we just couldn’t get the better of Rob Jones.

Second yellow for the most blatant tactical foul ever? Nah.

 

[Billysboots]

Apart from an honest supporter like yourself giving a fair reflection we’ve had others saying people have not been “fair” and we should be given Utd more credit, the majority of nuetrals have all said yous deserved the lead and the difference was Mount going off.

Then some strange substitutions, Casemiro didn’t look happy, then Shaw and Martinez going off, in the 2nd half they had around 80% possession and didn’t work your defence or keeper, that is entirely on them.

You never had to block 1 shot defensively, they made more defensive headers, you had more shots on target over 90 minutes.

N’Castles 2nd half display was shocking, but I’m sorry, I don’t think any of that was down to how Utd played.

No problem mate - we’ll agree to disagree