If they lose Wissa, having already lost their manager and Bryan Mbeumo, that ranks as an awful summer. I’d be really worried if I was a Brentford fan.
If they lose Wissa, having already lost their manager and Bryan Mbeumo, that ranks as an awful summer. I’d be really worried if I was a Brentford fan.
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
Same, but they should have some money to spend shouldn’t they? PSR is a minefield but it’s not like they’ve spent loads in recent seasons….have they?!
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Just shows how hard it is for the smaller clubs to stay in the prem.
Have a good season & you start losing your best players & manager.
RichA
Well-known member
Have you ever sold a car or a house?
Did you tell your car buyer what the lowest offer was that you would accept?
If they offered you £X did you say, "No that's too much, you can have it for £X-5000?"
If your house was on the market for £500,000 but you'd told your estate agent that you'd accept £450,000, what would your reaction be if you discovered they were telling that to potential buyers? And suppose you and the agent had a signed confidentiality agreement.
Their recruitment has been top drawer for a long, long time. I’m sure they have a plan, and if they can unearth a couple more of the calibre of the two names I mentioned then all is not lost.
But that’s a lot of goals/assists removed from that side.
Swango1980
Well-known member
This is an awful analogy. Why? Because my car is not Herbie or Knighrider, that has it's own mind.
In your example, I am the selling Club, the person that is buying it off me if the Buying Club, and the car or house is the Player.
The release clause in football is for the benefit of the player, not the club. At no point in my life, has the house or the car demanded a release clause when I bought it. At no point in my life has someone offered to buy my car and house, and I have had to accept (even if they were not up for sale) because the buyer met the release clause that the car or house demanded.
If my house COULD talk, it probably would demand a release clause because it doesn't get tidied enough. And if a better owner came along, my house would be only too happy to inform them that there is a release clause and to offer it
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
When it comes to MGW release clause which is reported to be confidential- there is only one group that would have told Spurs the number and that’s MGW and his team - so the player himself was either engineering for a move or looking for a bumper pay rise
Not great for either club though
Not great for either club though
RichA
Well-known member
That's the reason why you don't have to get your house or car to sign a non-disclosure agreement and the reason why you require a human to do so.
What do you imagine the entire purpose of the NDA was?
nickjdavis
Head Pro
If it happens....at the moment, its some journalist guessing at something that may or may not be happening.
Many years ago, when I was single, I once considered making a move on my next door neighbour who was an exotic dancer...and we actually got on really well, so well that it generated some whispers amongst our friends. But it never happened.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
but the PIF owned Al-Nassr are also interested....so it may get done but who knows which club will be doing the doing.
Swango1980
Well-known member
And I'm still trying to figure out how on earth a NDA agreement in this case is practically meant to work?
It is only there because the Player wants it, a release clause does not benefit the Club who owns him. I can perfectly see how a Club may not want a player blabbing out the the media "my release clause is.....", it is almost like a player going to the media "I want out, come get me". But, how on earth can it be proved that the NDA has been broken in nearly every case? Because, as I have said, there are two things to consider:
- The player or agent could have a quiet word to anyone. Another club, agent, player, family member, etc. That could trigger a club to make an offer, and how would anybody be any the wiser that the offer was triggered because they knew the release clause, or they were just making a bid?
- If the release clause wasn't revealed to anyone, and another club just so happened to offer a bigger bid than this clause, is the release clause just meant to be kept a secret forever? I mean, I'm sure if Forest bought a player for £80 million, and then it came out once the deal was done that they could have got the player for £50 million, they'd be furious. And the player could gets all sorts of abuse, for effectively staying quiet and costing his club £30 million
But, buying a footballer is still nothing like buying and selling a house. I'd like to think the estate agent is working on my behalf, and there is no agent working on behalf of the house.
With a week to go before the season starts, not ideal. I think I'd rather have players than money.
RichA
Well-known member
They wouldn't use them if they had no purpose.
Copy and paste "How common are non-disclosure clauses in Premier League contracts" into a Google search and I'll stop annoying you with analogies.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Newcastle have a couple of PSF's...this weekend, tonight against Espanyol and tomorrow against Athletico Madrid.
Fairly strong defence featuring Schar, Burn and Hall but a 2nd string midfield featuring only Guimares with Murphy, Osula and new 18 yo winger Seesoung Park on the left.
Took twenty minutes for the game to get the first shot on target and what a belter it was, Espanyol hammerring the ball home from about 25 yards. Lead was short lived though after a clever cross from Miley to the back post saw Targett nod home. Up until that point Newcastle had largely been dominant in possession without really causing any threat.
After the equaliser Newcastle dominated a bit more causing a few ruffled feathers in the Espanyol defence, but the next real chance came when Targett upended an Espanyol forward in the box. Penalty wasnt great and Ramsdale made a smart save.
Espanyol seem to be treating this a bit seriously though, with a few meaty challenges from behind.
Osula has been largely anonymous and if anything it shows how short we are of a top striker. Players have popped up in some odd positions and all too often Krafth has been the player in posession on the right wing but his crossing is not really up to snuff to create viable chances. Need Murphy out on the right.
Brightish spark has been Park...shows a nice turn of pace with neat footwork and has easily beaten his man on several occasions, a bit shy of putting the ball over into the box is perhaps a criticism at this stage but looks like a bright prospect for development.
Hopefully a bit more cohesion in the second half will see us create better chances in front of goal...but has to be remembered...probably only Guimares and Murphy of the attacking options on the pitch are likely to start PL matches in the immediate future.
2nd half was largely similar to the first. Newcastle dominating posession but not really creating decent chances. Typical PSF broken up by a raft of Espanyol subs (9 I think it was) which gave them a bit more mobility, but it was Newcastle who seemed to have snatched a decisive goal on 78 minutes. Espanyol clearly havent seen Newcastles press against teams trying to play out from the back and a ball given away under pressure in the penalty area broke to Murphy who drilled the ball home via the post. Espanyol however got an equlaiser a couple of minutes from time with a smart nearpost header after a cross looked (to my eyes) to have taken a slight deflection.
Noteworthy was the difference in confidence of Ramsdale with the ball at his feet compared to Pope.
Should be a totally different line up tomorrow....hopefully see Livramento, Trippier, Tonali, Joelinton, Elanga, Gordon, Barnes all feature.
Fairly strong defence featuring Schar, Burn and Hall but a 2nd string midfield featuring only Guimares with Murphy, Osula and new 18 yo winger Seesoung Park on the left.
Took twenty minutes for the game to get the first shot on target and what a belter it was, Espanyol hammerring the ball home from about 25 yards. Lead was short lived though after a clever cross from Miley to the back post saw Targett nod home. Up until that point Newcastle had largely been dominant in possession without really causing any threat.
After the equaliser Newcastle dominated a bit more causing a few ruffled feathers in the Espanyol defence, but the next real chance came when Targett upended an Espanyol forward in the box. Penalty wasnt great and Ramsdale made a smart save.
Espanyol seem to be treating this a bit seriously though, with a few meaty challenges from behind.
Osula has been largely anonymous and if anything it shows how short we are of a top striker. Players have popped up in some odd positions and all too often Krafth has been the player in posession on the right wing but his crossing is not really up to snuff to create viable chances. Need Murphy out on the right.
Brightish spark has been Park...shows a nice turn of pace with neat footwork and has easily beaten his man on several occasions, a bit shy of putting the ball over into the box is perhaps a criticism at this stage but looks like a bright prospect for development.
Hopefully a bit more cohesion in the second half will see us create better chances in front of goal...but has to be remembered...probably only Guimares and Murphy of the attacking options on the pitch are likely to start PL matches in the immediate future.
2nd half was largely similar to the first. Newcastle dominating posession but not really creating decent chances. Typical PSF broken up by a raft of Espanyol subs (9 I think it was) which gave them a bit more mobility, but it was Newcastle who seemed to have snatched a decisive goal on 78 minutes. Espanyol clearly havent seen Newcastles press against teams trying to play out from the back and a ball given away under pressure in the penalty area broke to Murphy who drilled the ball home via the post. Espanyol however got an equlaiser a couple of minutes from time with a smart nearpost header after a cross looked (to my eyes) to have taken a slight deflection.
Noteworthy was the difference in confidence of Ramsdale with the ball at his feet compared to Pope.
Should be a totally different line up tomorrow....hopefully see Livramento, Trippier, Tonali, Joelinton, Elanga, Gordon, Barnes all feature.
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Swango1980
Well-known member
Refer to my previous responses so I don't annoy you with repetition
RichA
Well-known member
I'd have to read them properly for them to annoy me. I normally give up after the third page.
Swango1980
Well-known member
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
I would have thought the first thing a club does to a prospective player is find out if he has a release clause.!
That would be just common sense so they don’t overbid.
RichA
Well-known member
Light reading, for anyone interested. Copied and pasted, not my interpretation...
A non-disclosure clause, or confidentiality clause, in a footballer's contract is a standard legal provision designed to keep certain information private. This information can include the player's salary, performance bonuses, and other specific terms of the contract. The clause obligates the player (and sometimes the club) not to disclose this sensitive information to unauthorized third parties.
When it comes to a release clause, the non-disclosure clause can create a unique dynamic. A release clause is a pre-agreed amount of money that, if paid by another club, automatically obligates the player's current club to accept an offer and allow the player to enter into negotiations with the new club.
Here's how a non-disclosure clause can work in relation to a release clause:
* Confidentiality of the Release Clause Amount: A non-disclosure clause can make the specific amount of a release clause confidential. This means that neither the player, their agent, nor the club can publicly reveal the fee. This can be a strategic move by the club to prevent other teams from knowing exactly how much they need to bid to secure the player. If the fee is public knowledge, it essentially acts as a price tag, making it easier for rivals to plan a transfer.
* "Tapping-Up" and Unauthorized Contact: A non-disclosure clause can be linked to rules against "tapping-up," which is the illegal act of an interested club making contact with a player without the permission of their current club. If a club knows the release clause amount through a leak or unauthorized source, it could be a sign that they have breached these rules.
* Player and Agent Obligations: The non-disclosure clause places a legal obligation on the player and their agent not to leak the details of the release clause. A breach of this clause could lead to disciplinary action or financial penalties, as it would be considered a breach of the contract.
* Strategic Use: From the club's perspective, a non-disclosure clause can be a way to maintain control over a player's future. By keeping the release clause confidential, they can avoid constant speculation and unwanted bids. For the player, a release clause is a way to have a "get out of jail free" card, but it's often a point of negotiation, with the player pushing for a lower, more attainable figure and the club pushing for a higher, more prohibitive one.
In summary, a non-disclosure clause and a release clause, while separate contractual elements, are often intertwined. The non-disclosure clause serves to protect the confidentiality of the release clause, which can be a key strategic tool for clubs and players during transfer windows.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
What’s the penalty for breaking this clause? ( if the club ever finds out who it was )
It’s not £40 million pounds City we’re paying over the release clause price.?
Has anyone ever been prosecuted in PL history?
