The Footie Thread

[Tashyboy]

Maybe. But we've seen it countless times when the top clubs buy young English players. They never get a game, just sit on the bench meeting homegrown quota, never develop and end up in the Championship at 28. Hope it doesn't happen to him as we need a decent rival for Pickford in the England side.

Ederson joined City 8 years ago. He is now 31. Trafford is a couple of months younger at 22 now. 23 in October. The difference in age of when they joined City is minuscule. If Trafford who is English gets anywhere near Ederson world class level then that’s a serious Bargain for City. Oh ah. Traffords save ratio was far better than the three City keepers last year.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I was talking about if there was a maximum budget brought in for transfers then what you spent on other things like stadiums back room staff canteen staff should not count towards it.

That a transfer budget for each club would only be for transfers and not affected by other spending a club made.

For things like transfer budgets what is the limit and it would need to be across the whole of football

 

[Orikoru]

Ederson joined City 8 years ago. He is now 31. Trafford is a couple of months younger at 22 now. 23 in October. The difference in age of when they joined City is minuscule. If Trafford who is English gets anywhere near Ederson world class level then that’s a serious Bargain for City. Oh ah. Traffords save ratio was far better than the three City keepers last year.

What sort of comparison is this? He wasn't in the same league.

Anyway, as I've said, I hope it doesn't mean his career is in the bin, since he should be a future England number 1. But we've seen it countless times with City, Chelsea etc, that's all. So much talent wasted to go and sit on the bench and be a homegrown number.

 

[irip]

For things like transfer budgets what is the limit and it would need to be across the whole of football

Yeah the limit would need to be a worldwide maximum.
The amount is immaterial, but let’s say £50 million a season.
Every club in the premier league could afford that.
Then it would be down to clubs to buy wisely, much more level playing field creates a much more exciting league and much more exciting European competition.

Unfortunately the horse has well and truly bolted but in an ideal world having a league where it’s an even playing field would be a much better spectacle for us fans.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

The way things work now financially definitely does not work, clubs having to use creative accounting or sell young players they would rather keep is not what we as fans want to see.

I like the idea of each team having a set budget (agreed by the league/UEFA) for both transfers and wages.

If you sell a player that fee and wages saved can be spent elsewhere on the squad.

I don’t believe it’s fair that if a club wants to improve its stadium or training facilities that this should come out of the transfer budget.

Any clubs that earn more than they are allowed to spend can use this money to enhance the club/fans facilities

For years, the Spanish banks and Government funded the Spanish 2, for years the Agnelli family funded Juve. Even Germans clubs have been funded by their industries but now that the PL has the Sky money coming it the PL should be curtailed?
It's not the fault of the PL that Sky pay what they pay and with the way monies are divided up the bottom PL clubs gets more than the Spanish 2. Its not the PL's fault that the Spanish won't do a collective tv deal and instead do their own individual team deals for coverage.
Most of the current crop of financial rules brought in have been to try and stop the Sky money for the whinging Spanish. I don't disagree that it has got a little silly, but I don't see why the PL or any English league should be held back just because the rest of Europe won't get their own deals in order.

 

[clubchamp98]

Seems strange that Newcastle were after Ekitike,he signs for Liverpool & then Isaac wants a move.
Surely if he’d said this last week Liverpool would have been more than happy to let them have Ekitike & take Isaac,leaving Newcastle with Ekitike +£40m.
Can’t really see where else Isaac will go?

We’re in for a marathon season a lot of games so if Nunez goes we need another striker .

 

[clubchamp98]

But it’s still trying to buy success

Is that Liverpool or just football in general.?

 

[clubchamp98]

Maybe. But we've seen it countless times when the top clubs buy young English players. They never get a game, just sit on the bench meeting homegrown quota, never develop and end up in the Championship at 28. Hope it doesn't happen to him as we need a decent rival for Pickford in the England side.

Wonder what championship team Grealish will go to .

The lad needs to get out of City imo.

 

[clubchamp98]

Back in the 70s and 90s, things were different and clubs were not restricted in the way they are now. You already know that Arthur.

"Get out there and earn more money" is just a ridiculous sentiment. I think you already know that as well.

Football is now all about which teams are the most commercially successful. A club can't just decide to suddenly become more commercially successful and generate billions more revenue without sustained success on the pitch. And they can't have sustained success on the pitch because they can't afford to attract and keep their best players.

Dress it up any way you like. It suits fans of certain clubs to believe it's all a level playing field and they are successful because they are just "better" than everyone else. But unless there is some severe delusion going on, I don't see how anyone can truly believe the PSR regs are anything but anti-competitive.

"We don't want too many Leicester City's" after all......

Back in the day Forest we’re on level playing terms with Liverpool and other top teams winning at the highest level.

So it can only be your bad decisions that you are where you are.

You can’t blame others for their good decisions over that time.

 

[clubchamp98]

I was talking about if there was a maximum budget brought in for transfers then what you spent on other things like stadiums back room staff canteen staff should not count towards it.

That a transfer budget for each club would only be for transfers and not affected by other spending a club made.

Clubs would be buying £100 million pound tea boys then find out there quite good at footy .

 

[irip]

For years, the Spanish banks and Government funded the Spanish 2, for years the Agnelli family funded Juve. Even Germans clubs have been funded by their industries but now that the PL has the Sky money coming it the PL should be curtailed?
It's not the fault of the PL that Sky pay what they pay and with the way monies are divided up the bottom PL clubs gets more than the Spanish 2. Its not the PL's fault that the Spanish won't do a collective tv deal and instead do their own individual team deals for coverage.
Most of the current crop of financial rules brought in have been to try and stop the Sky money for the whinging Spanish. I don't disagree that it has got a little silly, but I don't see why the PL or any English league should be held back just because the rest of Europe won't get their own deals in order.

For years, the Spanish banks and Government funded the Spanish 2, for years the Agnelli family funded Juve. Even Germans clubs have been funded by their industries but now that the PL has the Sky money coming it the PL should be curtailed?
It's not the fault of the PL that Sky pay what they pay and with the way monies are divided up the bottom PL clubs gets more than the Spanish 2. Its not the PL's fault that the Spanish won't do a collective tv deal and instead do their own individual team deals for coverage.
Most of the current crop of financial rules brought in have been to try and stop the Sky money for the whinging Spanish. I don't disagree that it has got a little silly, but I don't see why the PL or any English league should be held back just because the rest of Europe won't get their own deals in order.

I agree about past European football but all those leagues that were at the top of the game stopped being the top dog,the reason being people got fed up watching a league where few teams had a chance.
In my opinion the same thing will and is happening in the premier league.
Rules about financial fair play have been brought in but they are not fit for purpose.

I would like to see a situation where all teams had an equal chance at least in financial terms, we then would find out who the best managers are and which clubs did the best business in the transfer market.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

We’re in for a marathon season a lot of games so if Nunez goes we need another striker .

You're classing Nunez as a striker

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I agree about past European football but all those leagues that were at the top of the game stopped being the top dog,the reason being people got fed up watching a league where few teams had a chance.
In my opinion the same thing will and is happening in the premier league.
Rules about financial fair play have been brought in but they are not fit for purpose.

I would like to see a situation where all teams had an equal chance at least in financial terms, we then would find out who the best managers are and which clubs did the best business in the transfer market.

If those other European leagues can't sort their own collective agreement, why should the PL suffer?
As for less people watchng the Spanish or Italian leagues, the star players are only doing what everyone else does and going where the money is and if that means the PL so be it.
The likes of RM, Barca and Juve have been manipulating the transfer system for years. Now that the PL is able to fight back they don't like it.

 

[larmen]

Clubs would be buying £100 million pound tea boys then find out there quite good at footy .

you are thinking about the Springfield Isotopes?

 

[clubchamp98]

You're classing Nunez as a striker

That new haircut has worked wonders on his finishing, five goals in two games who need Isak

 

[clubchamp98]

you are thinking about the Springfield Isotopes?

I had to look that up.

 

[irip]

If those other European leagues can't sort their own collective agreement, why should the PL suffer?
As for less people watchng the Spanish or Italian leagues, the star players are only doing what everyone else does and going where the money is and if that means the PL so be it.
The likes of RM, Barca and Juve have been manipulating the transfer system for years. Now that the PL is able to fight back they don't like it.

Do the English fans like it the way it is now though?

 

[clubchamp98]

Do the English fans like it the way it is now though?

Liverpool fans do!

Money has been ruining football for years ,the cats out of the bag now and there’s no going back.

 

[irip]

Liverpool fans do!

They did last season.
The 4 before that City bought the league.

 

[clubchamp98]

They did last season.
The 4 before that City bought the league.

Only as good as your last season .