The Footie Thread

[Orikoru]

Remove these things from being reviewable, and it would improve enjoyment of the game infinitely.

Just use the automatic offside and goal-line alerts and let the referee referee instead of the responsibility being passed to someone sat in a tiny room hundred of miles away surrounded by monitors.

That's what should have been done, but they'll never walk it back now, they've jumped the shark.

 

[simsini]

Bit late for an April Fools. Surely a joke https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5yg3y0v17jo

One thing I would say about ladies football is that they should play on smaller pitches. Not sure how this would work though when most don't play in stadiums built for the ladies only.

 

[simsini]

Two things. On the one hand, decisions that other sports use it for are black and white - was the ball on the line or over, did the ball hit the bat or not, etc. Whereas football has countless grey areas and subjectivity around whether something was a foul or not. But on the other hand, the sport is owned and run by money-grabbing morons so it was always a losing battle.

There are countless grey areas in the NFL too, such as holding, pass interference and roughing the passer. Football should change to only having VAR for black and white issues, like the NFL does.

 

[Orikoru]

There are countless grey areas in the NFL too, such as holding, pass interference and roughing the passer. Football should change to only having VAR for black and white issues, like the NFL does.

I was going to say something similar, but then I couldn't think of one. Even for offsides people can't agree what the margin of error should be. For handballs people can't agree how far up the feller's arm it should be. It's a minefield.

 

[simsini]

I was going to say something similar, but then I couldn't think of one. Even for offsides people can't agree what the margin of error should be. For handballs people can't agree how far up the feller's arm it should be. It's a minefield.

With offsides there should be zero margin of error. You either have a part of the body that can play the ball ahead of the second last player, or you don't. Obviously goal line technology works too. Handball I agree is a bit more subjective.

 

[Swango1980]

Still continues to baffle me how other sports have video assisted refereeing and it works absolutely fine with minimal adverse impact on the game.

Rugby and NFL are two that immediately spring to mind.

Then you've got TMO in Cricket

Hawkeye in Tennis

Yet the richest sport in the world can't get it right.

Two reasons I can think off why it is a disaster in football:

1. In football, it is often used to make subjective decisions. If VAR don't act, there will still be many fans that slag it off for being impotent. If it does act, there will be many fans that slate it for getting involved. Sometimes, the VAR themselves may be in the minority of which way a decision should have gone, thus get battered by the other 90%
2. The point above leads me nicely into this point. The fans / pundits in football are very different to other sports. If VAR did make a mistake in rugby, tennis, cricket, etc. I just cannot imagine the fans exploding with rage, and media outlets like TalkSport spending the next week slagging off the officials on the hour, every hour. Making sure every presenter and their guests can express their distain at the decision. This is exactly what happens in football, and in forums. Of the 3895 pages of this forum, I wonder how many are dedicated to us talking about officials and VAR? I'm sure it is several hundred

 

[Tashyboy]

Better than Paul Lake?

You know what. When my kids were growing up there was a period in my life when I never played golf nor went to watch City. With hand on heart I can honestly say I don’t think I ever saw Kinkladze or Paul Lake in A City shirt.
Ave load of programmes from the olden days when I used to go and one day I will have a look and see if either player is on that list..

 

[Red devil]

You know what. When my kids were growing up there was a period in my life when I never played golf nor went to watch City. With hand on heart I can honestly say I don’t think I ever saw Kinkladze or Paul Lake in A City shirt.
Ave load of programmes from the olden days when I used to go and one day I will have a look and see if either player is on that list..

Never seen Georgi, Georgi on the wing?

 

[Tashyboy]

I was thinking more of Shaun Goater.

My over riding memory of Goater is robbing Gary Neville and scoring his second in the last Derby game at Maine rd. Neville got subbed soon after. Mint Also he was captain that day.

 

[Tashyboy]

Never seen Georgi, Georgi on the wing?

You know what I have just had to Google it. Apparently Paul Lake played in the 5-1 win over Utd at Maine rd. he was subbed in the 46th minute. Ave just seen the breakdown of the staring 11’s. All Citys players were English with Utd having 8 Wnglish players. Not one foreign player on the pitch h unless you count Welsh and Scottish as Foreign.

 

[Red devil]

My over riding memory of Goater is robbing Gary Neville and scoring his second in the last Derby game at Maine rd. Neville got subbed soon after. Mint Also he was captain that day.

Feed the Goat.

 

[Slime]

I was going to say something similar, but then I couldn't think of one. Even for offsides people can't agree what the margin of error should be. For handballs people can't agree how far up the feller's arm it should be. It's a minefield.

Margin of error on offsides?
None .......................... there should be absolutely none.
A player is either offside or onside, period.
½" offside is offside, the end.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Margin of error on offsides?
None .......................... there should be absolutely none.
A player is either offside or onside, period.
½" offside is offside, the end.

Can of worms - where do you draw the line ? What if they aren’t interfering etc etc

 

[Orikoru]

With offsides there should be zero margin of error. You either have a part of the body that can play the ball ahead of the second last player, or you don't. Obviously goal line technology works too. Handball I agree is a bit more subjective.

I didn't like that for offsides though, because depending on where you freeze frame the replay, a player could have one toe in front of the defender's shoulder, but in real terms they were level, or the strikers body might have even been slightly further from goal than the defender's. If you rule it to that fine a margin the concept of being 'level' is completely gone. Strikers would actually have to remain half a yard onside just to ensure no millimetre of their being crept nearer the goal.

 

[Orikoru]

Margin of error on offsides?
None .......................... there should be absolutely none.
A player is either offside or onside, period.
½" offside is offside, the end.

I don't like that for the reason I just said above. It would be better if we could VAR the replay for offsides, but an official just eyeballs on the video to decide if he's level or not.

 

[Skytot]

Better than Paul Lake?

Paul Lake was a great player . One of those players that was that good he played in every position and we never got the chance to find his best position . Who knows how good he would have become without his injury.It would have been sorted nowadays . Watched him from youth team until his injury , read his book and the way city ( Swales ) treated him regarding his injury was scandalous. Luckily city are run properly now

 

[Tashyboy]

Paul Lake was a great player . One of those players that was that good he played in every position and we never got the chance to find his best position . Who knows how good he would have become without his injury.It would have been sorted nowadays . Watched him from youth team until his injury , read his book and the way city ( Swales ) treated him regarding his injury was scandalous. Luckily city are run properly now

One of the best books I have read by a City player was by Andy Morrison. What he went through defined who he was as a person and a player. Made me laugh when he describes being smacked by Paulo Wanchope.

 

[Tashyboy]

Paul Lake was a great player . One of those players that was that good he played in every position and we never got the chance to find his best position . Who knows how good he would have become without his injury.It would have been sorted nowadays . Watched him from youth team until his injury , read his book and the way city ( Swales ) treated him regarding his injury was scandalous. Luckily city are run properly now

Re Lakes injury, I once had a good natter with Nicky Weaver. His dad was in Nottingham City hospital having heart surgery the same time as Father in law. We had a laugh when he remembered signing the wing on my Renault 19. Anyway he was saying about how annoyed he was when Sheff Weds got rid of him after he had massive knee surgery a few years earlier. Sheff Weds listened to the club physio and not the surgeon who operated on his knee.

 

[clubchamp98]

Noooooooooooo
The greatest player I have ever seen at City.

One of the Best footballers I have seen live.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Can of worms - where do you draw the line ? What if they aren’t interfering etc etc

Sorry I’m confused by “where do you draw the line”?

As for interfering,just have it if ANY player is offside,it’s offside