Arthur Wedge
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Of some ( like you) will be labelling him a flop - that doesn’t actually mean he is
Pin-seeker
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hairball_89
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I definitely would be.
If we, or Arsenal for that matter, had Isak up top I genuinely believe we'd be on 19/20 style winning the league numbers. unfortunately, that is the difference.
Bdill93
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Were only a few points away...
Arthur Wedge
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Only 4 points behind 5th and 5 behind 4th
13 games to go
Have as good a chance of getting the spot as all the other teams
Think the top 3 are sorted now
Swango1980
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I only know of you NOT calling him a flop to be fair
Pin-seeker
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You’ve also got to take into account how much the player costs.
If Nunez cost £10m maybe he wouldn’t be classed as a flop.
But £85m,yeah he’s definitely a flop.
If Nunez cost £10m maybe he wouldn’t be classed as a flop.
But £85m,yeah he’s definitely a flop.
Things don't have to be binary but sometimes they just are.
In my teams case, Beto has been a flop right up until the point Moyes took over. Not much dispute about it. He is now turning that around and if he keeps this up, depending on how he maintains it, he looks like being either okay or a success. Prior to Moyes, you have to take that on the chin. It's just how it goes.
In my teams case, Beto has been a flop right up until the point Moyes took over. Not much dispute about it. He is now turning that around and if he keeps this up, depending on how he maintains it, he looks like being either okay or a success. Prior to Moyes, you have to take that on the chin. It's just how it goes.
Swango1980
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Joelinton might be the same. Wasn't he a flop, until around Eddie Howe took over?
Nunez is a huge flop. If he bounces back and scores lots of important goals that help Liverpool win trophies this year, and goes on to to score 40 next season, then he can redeem himself.
But, I'm judging him on the 3 or so seasons he has had, not what the future may bring if miracles occur. I think that is fair. Judging a plyer after a couple of seasons, rather than judging them after one or 2 games.
Arthur Wedge
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How do we judge the likes of
Maguire
Kepa
Enzo
Hojlund
Caicedo
Antony
Felix
Onana
Maguire is perfect example
Decent player , massive fee ,
Is he a flop or just been ok
For me someone who flops is someone who is signed and then does nothing of note for the club over their period of time
The 30 biggest flops in Premier League history have been ranked - in order
Romelu Lukaku is one of seven Chelsea players to make the list 😳
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Orikoru
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He was a flop as a striker, because he couldn't hit a cow's backside with a banjo. Then Howe played him in midfield during an injury crisis, and it turned out he excelled as a box-to-box midfielder. Reminiscent of Mousa Dembele at Spurs, who was bought as a forward, but ended up being the best holding midfielder I've ever seen for us.
Maybe Nuñez should give midfield a try??
Arthur Wedge
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Dembele ?
Always been a midfielder- was played as a more creative midfielder at Fulham and then box to box - but never a forward
Orikoru
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When I say forward I didn't mean striker, he was mostly playing up behind the main striker for Fulham, we just shifted him back into a holding role.
Bdill93
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5th is likely to be CL this year too, sp plenty to play for.
We are visibly a better side when we haven't played midweek, our record at the weekend after a CL is mega poor
Confident we can put a run together in the last 10 or so games, but so can every team above us too.
So long as we qualify for Europe at any level next season ill be happy with the league campaign - and I'm thrilled with our CL campaign already. Still in the FA cup too !
Swango1980
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Maguire was labelled a flop, but I never felt he was that bad personally. Started off well, then was shaky (not for England), but has since shown he is still a strong defender. Is he the world's best, no. But he has been nowhere near the biggest failure at Man Utd. Didn't Utd pay over the odds, yes, like they do for most players.How do we judge the likes of
Maguire
Kepa
Enzo
Hojlund
Caicedo
Antony
Felix
Onana
Maguire is perfect example
Decent player , massive fee ,
Is he a flop or just been ok
For me someone who flops is someone who is signed and then does nothing of note for the club over their period of time
The 30 biggest flops in Premier League history have been ranked - in order
Romelu Lukaku is one of seven Chelsea players to make the list 😳
Hojlund is certainly heading towards being a flop. he started young so needed more time to get experience, and has shown promising signs. But, as a forward, if he doesn't start giving a decent goal return soon, it is a flop signing. Utd can't afford to spend so much money on a player who takes 3 or 4 years to start doing well. A lot of Hojlund's failures could be attributed to his team mates though, not giving him any real chances to work with. And the fact the Club have relied on him too much, rather than bringing in another striker or two to share the responsibility. So, if he is ultimately labelled a flop, I'd say that is as much, if not more, to do with the club than Hojlund himself.
Antony is a huge flop. There looks to be potential in there somewhere, but potential is pointless if you never see it on the pitch.
I wouldn't call Onana a flop, nor the best keeper to ever represent Utd in PL. It wasn't an extraordinary fee we bought him for. He has had several really bad errors, but he has also had a lot of solid performances that often get overlooked. Most keepers seem to have a handful of errors over the course of 18 months. I guess if you were to rank flops, Onana could currently be somewhere on the ranking list in PL history, but nowhere near the top. If you had a flopometer, where 100% was a pure flop, maybe I'd stick Onana around 40-50% at this stage. Yet, I reckon any keeper Utd had brought in at that time would have since had a tough start to their Utd career.
Felix looks to be a massive flop based on money spent on him, and then how quick Chelsea offload him. Caicedo looked poor when he signed for Chelsea, but my barber (big Chelsea fan, and comes across as a very measured, objective fan) has told me that he has been brilliant over the last year or so, and he really likes it when him and Lavia play together. So, I'll take his word for it to say Caicedo isn't a flop now that he is settled.
Orikoru
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Maguire - Decent but limited defender, don't think he was a flop given that the stupid price paid was not his fault.
Kepa - I wouldn't say flop, he's an alright keeper. No better no worse.
Enzo - Took a while to settle, has his good and bad moments.
Hojlund - He's still young but in danger of being a flop if he doesn't kick on pretty soon.
Caicedo - I think he's come around and is playing well for Chelsea now isn't he?
Antony - Undoubtedly a flop.
Felix - Also undoubtedly a flop, in England at least.
Onana - I'm going to say verging on flop for this one. His handling seems absolutely appalling for a supposed top keeper. But he's kept his place in the side for two years so who knows. The next clanger always seems to be just around the corner.
Kepa - I wouldn't say flop, he's an alright keeper. No better no worse.
Enzo - Took a while to settle, has his good and bad moments.
Hojlund - He's still young but in danger of being a flop if he doesn't kick on pretty soon.
Caicedo - I think he's come around and is playing well for Chelsea now isn't he?
Antony - Undoubtedly a flop.
Felix - Also undoubtedly a flop, in England at least.
Onana - I'm going to say verging on flop for this one. His handling seems absolutely appalling for a supposed top keeper. But he's kept his place in the side for two years so who knows. The next clanger always seems to be just around the corner.
Pin-seeker
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- PSG vs Liverpool
- Club Brugge vs Aston Villa
- Real Madrid vs Atletico Madrid
- PSV vs Arsenal
- Feyenoord vs Inter
- Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen
- Borussia Dortmund vs Lille
- Benfica vs Barcelona
Bdill93
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Very happy!
We only lost to Brugge in the league stage away from home because Mings picked up a ball from a GK...
Some cracking fixtures in there though!
Swango1980
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Thought they may do the inferior Euro competitions first, before the Champions League. Save best to last. Will just need to wait a bit longer to see who Utd won't be scoring any goals against
