The Footie Thread

[4LEX]

I’d say he’s average at best.
They’ve got worse players,but that’s not saying much.

He's a good centre back with above average technical ability but lacks pace, height and has to over compensate with physicality. That's where he runs into trouble. The game has moved on from sly two footed tackles and he's one of the worst in the league along with Romero of Spurs for it.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

He’s injured both feet in a tackle.


On a serious note hope the lads ok!
I like a defender with a bit of bite.

Jumping into a tackle ?

 

[Pin-seeker]

He's a good centre back with above average technical ability but lacks pace, height and has to over compensate with physicality. That's where he runs into trouble. The game has moved on from sly two footed tackles and he's one of the worst in the league along with Romero of Spurs for it.

Have to laugh at the modern day “hard men”.
They’d absolutely brick it going 50/50 with Stuart Pearce or Billy whitehurst

 

[Swango1980]

The one that goes around studs up, two footing people on a regular basis and getting away with it. The ironic thing is if he had been rightly sent off and banned last week, the injury doesn't happen.

The most overrated defender in the league and I don't think he'll be missed much.

 

[4LEX]

Have to laugh at the modern day “hard men”.
They’d absolutely brick it going 50/50 with Stuart Pearce or Billy whitehurst

Billy played for my team back in the day, before my time but he's not one you'd want to cross!

That said I think it's good football has moved on from those days and it's more about the football than who could have ten pints and still nut someone

 

[Swango1980]

Have caught up with MOTD

It’s a foul against MGW with the player manhandling him , it should be blown up more

The Williams goal - thought any handball whether deliberate or not in the build up to a goal meant it was disallowed but not sure if it’s changed recently

Only if the goalscorer handles it, accidentally or not.

So, if a player accidentally handles it, and taps it in, goal disallowed. But if they pass it to mate next to them who scores, goal allowed

 

[4LEX]

Not woken up after another depressing home defeat

 

[Pin-seeker]

Billy played for my team back in the day, before my time but he's not one you'd want to cross!

That said I think it's good football has moved on from those days and it's more about the football than who could have ten pints and still nut someone

Agreed.
But some of the story’s about Billy are class.
I use to work with a bloke that knows him,he owned a pub in a village a few miles from me.
Even Vinnie Jones said he was the hardest man in football.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The one that goes around studs up, two footing people on a regular basis and getting away with it. The ironic thing is if he had been rightly sent off and banned last week, the injury doesn't happen.

The most overrated defender in the league and I don't think he'll be missed much.

Seems like stretchered off and a serious injury

Whilst I think he is dangerous in his tackle methods is never good to see someone get badly injured - hopefully it’s not too serious

 

[Swango1980]

Not woken up after another depressing home defeat

Not so depressing when it happens often and we've nothing to play for anyway. Just frustrating.

Just thought it lacks a lot of class when someone comes in here and seems to celebrate a player getting injured. Then uses that to reignite a debate that was done to absolute death last week. A debate that is absolutely irrelevant to the injury received.

But, it might just be me. Perhaps everyone else does want to discuss it all over again?

 

[AmandaJR]

I wouldn't want to see any professional athlete suffer a serious injury.

I'm assuming Utd fans rate him because he seems to give a toss and actually puts a shift in...

 

[4LEX]

Agreed.
But some of the story’s about Billy are class.
I use to work with a bloke that knows him,he owned a pub in a village a few miles from me.
Even Vinnie Jones said he was the hardest man in football.

I'm sure there was a story when they were both at Sheffield United and they were out on the ale, some of the Sheffield Wednesday firm had given a few teammates some hassle. Only for Vinny, Billy and a few others to turn them over big time

 

[4LEX]

Not so depressing when it happens often and we've nothing to play for anyway. Just frustrating.

Just thought it lacks a lot of class when someone comes in here and seems to celebrate a player getting injured. Then uses that to reignite a debate that was done to absolute death last week. A debate that is absolutely irrelevant to the injury received.

But, it might just be me. Perhaps everyone else does want to discuss it all over again?

I wasn't celebrating an injury, just pointing out it could be viewed as karma.

A bit rich to throw the term class around when the same player has made disgusting two footed tackles his calling card.

 

[Swango1980]

I wasn't celebrating an injury, just pointing out it could be viewed as karma.

A bit rich to throw the term class around when the same player has made disgusting two footed tackles his calling card.

Yeah. And I guess if he got run over by a car, some might see that as karma as well. Completely irrelevant to last weeks incident as well, but as I said, some people lack class

And in regards to your second paragraph, it doesn't need a response from me. I've already given my opinion on that, and if you read that you'd appreciate I don't agree with your conclusion on that one

 

[Tashyboy]

Well summing up Citys performance.Rammel.
Apart from Leyton Orient, we only have Madrid x2, Newcastle and Liverpool to play

 

[4LEX]

Yeah. And I guess if he got run over by a car, some might see that as karma as well. Completely irrelevant to last weeks incident as well, but as I said, some people lack class

And in regards to your second paragraph, it doesn't need a response from me. I've already given my opinion on that, and if you read that you'd appreciate I don't agree with your conclusion on that one

We're talking about football tackles and injuries here, not car crashes. As someone who almost died in a car crash when I was 22 that's not a fair comparison.

I wasn't around last weekend so didn't see any of the discussion. Although no surprise you didn't agree with factual evidence and have somehow come up with an excuse for it.

 

[Billysboots]

I wouldn't want to see any professional athlete suffer a serious injury.

I'm assuming Utd fans rate him because he seems to give a toss and actually puts a shift in...

Spot on, Amanda, on both counts.

Martinez has been less than lucky with injuries since he arrived, and I really feel for the lad if he is facing another lengthy lay off. And yes, his absolute commitment to the cause is precisely why the OT faithful love the guy. I’d take 11 of him over the likes of Rashford any day. I do dislike the two footed lunges, said so last week, but I can only recall him doing it twice. That’s two times too many, but the occasional tendency in no way merits some of the comments here.

As for United, the current malaise in front of goal merely highlights the most baffling managerial decision I think I can ever recall - starting a Premier League season with the still inexperienced Hojlund as the club’s only recognised number nine. Zirkzee is not a nine, he’s a ten who can finish reasonably well. Rashford has never been a nine, and before anyone reminds me of the thirty goal season, I read a stat the other day that his average Premier League return in his time at United is a mere 6/7 goals a season. He’s always been miles away from being the 20 goals a season striker that any club wanting to challenge for honours needs.

I really worried in August where the goals were coming from. Totally disregarding any defensive frailty, you don’t win games if you don’t score.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I'm sure there was a story when they were both at Sheffield United and they were out on the ale, some of the Sheffield Wednesday firm had given a few teammates some hassle. Only for Vinny, Billy and a few others to turn them over big time

Yeah apparently Billy & vinnie said “your 2 best against us” to some Wednesday fans
Billy was into greyhound racing & brought a dog in for the sheff utd physio to have a look at as it had a big race coming up

 

[Swango1980]

We're talking about football tackles and injuries here, not car crashes. As someone who almost died in a car crash when I was 22 that's not a fair comparison.

I wasn't around last weekend so didn't see any of the discussion. Although no surprise you didn't agree with factual evidence and have somehow come up with an excuse for it.

OK. Well getting injured in any other way that you have not previously been injured, but completely unrelated to any 2 footed challenge, regardless as to whether you think it was dangerous or not.

Martinez didn't get injured doing anything "naughty". I don't believe anyone is sitting on the injury table because of something malicious Martinez had done either. So, anyone that has a feeling of karma, I'm just saying it lacks class.

And, not answering your second paragraph because you are not making a debateable point. You are just throwing a personal insult.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Spot on, Amanda, on both counts.

Martinez has been less than lucky with injuries since he arrived, and I really feel for the lad if he is facing another lengthy lay off. And yes, his absolute commitment to the cause is precisely why the OT faithful love the guy. I’d take 11 of him over the likes of Rashford any day. I do dislike the two footed lunges, said so last week, but I can only recall him doing it twice. That’s two times too many, but the occasional tendency in no way merits some of the comments here.

As for United, the current malaise in front of goal merely highlights the most baffling managerial decision I think I can ever recall - starting a Premier League season with the still inexperienced Hojlund as the club’s only recognised number nine. Zirkzee is not a nine, he’s a ten who can finish reasonably well. Rashford has never been a nine, and before anyone reminds me of the thirty goal season, I read a stat the other day that his average Premier League return in his time at United is a mere 6/7 goals a season. He’s always been miles away from being the 20 goals a season striker that any club wanting to challenge for honours needs.

I really worried in August where the goals were coming from. Totally disregarding any defensive frailty, you don’t win games if you don’t score.

There are a few “hot” strikers around at the moment

Sesko - think he will go to Arsenal in the summer
Gyokeres
Isak
Jonathon David

Plus a few others in Prem like Wissa , Mateta

The issue will potentially will be the lack of CL football and also what level of funds United can afford

It may take some very clever scouting and finding a hidden gem somewhere