The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 15344]

It’s a reductive argument to conflate Henderson’s choices with PIF buying Newcastle etc. People going to Saudi for work has been going on for more years than we’ve been alive, and I grew up with it and have no problem with it. However, Henderson mouthed off about the regime - no problem with that. But he then goes over there!?! That, to me, is hypocritical.

Jill Scott won’t have earned big money, and her BBC gig is her livelihood. Would it be wise for her to risk losing her job by saying no? Knowing how women are treated by the local police I see nothing wrong with her comments. I certainly don’t see them as hypocritical.

Scott has been over to the Middle East countries on multiple private Corp events outside any commentary commitments that come with working with the BBC - it’s why imo it’s hypocritical, she was comfortable going their for paid private Corp events and didn’t feel unwelcome so it shouldn’t be any different watching Henderson play football there

I don’t know if Henderson mouthed off against the Saudi regime ? Not seen that - the issue with Henderson appears more to the fact he was very vocal about LGBQT rights etc and then went to a country where they have no rights etc

But it’s not the first time that someone will push the morals to the background when it comes to being given money

The Ladies European Tour as an example with the Saudi Events and the money from the Aramaco etc

It’s all hypocritical because people when offered money will 9/10 turn the blind eye and switch off from the criticism - maybe too cynical a view but evidence over the years has shown it happen

 

[Rlburnside]

Scott has been over to the Middle East countries on multiple private Corp events outside any commentary commitments that come with working with the BBC - it’s why imo it’s hypocritical, she was comfortable going their for paid private Corp events and didn’t feel unwelcome so it shouldn’t be any different watching Henderson play football there

I don’t know if Henderson mouthed off against the Saudi regime ? Not seen that - the issue with Henderson appears more to the fact he was very vocal about LGBQT rights etc and then went to a country where they have no rights etc

But it’s not the first time that someone will push the morals to the background when it comes to being given money

The Ladies European Tour as an example with the Saudi Events and the money from the Aramaco etc

It’s all hypocritical because people when offered money will 9/10 turn the blind eye and switch off from the criticism - maybe too cynical a view but evidence over the years has shown it happen

I think your being castigated a bit too much by some on here , you’ve raised some valid points.

With the Saudis buying into clubs in England, maybe some should look to their own clubs before criticizing people questioning Jill Scott’s views.

 

[clubchamp98]

Jill Scott won’t have earned big money, and her BBC gig is her livelihood. Would it be wise for her to risk losing her job by saying no? Knowing how women are treated by the local police I see nothing wrong with her comments. I certainly don’t see them as hypocritical.

what they earn is immaterial.
but surley the same principle goes for Henderson as Scott It’s his livelihood as well.
nobody wanted him ,so he took the Saudi money.

As for the comment about the Police I can understand her problem.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

what they earn is immaterial.
but surley the same principle goes for Henderson as Scott It’s his livelihood as well.
nobody wanted him ,so he took the Saudi money.

As for the comment about the Police I can understand her problem.

Two things. 1 if he came out and said I went there for the money people would have a lot more respect than the Bull he is coming out with 2 isn't the issue with Scott nothing to do with the fact she is a lady but the fact she is openly gay which is why she would not be welcome?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think your being castigated a bit too much by some on here , you’ve raised some valid points.

With the Saudis buying into clubs in England, maybe some should look to their own clubs before criticizing people questioning Jill Scott’s views.

Everyone is going to Saudi for the money - Henderson was offered a contract with them , it was reported that it was £700k a week but he dismissed that and apparently he is not much more than what he earns now. I don’t think any club in the Prem would look to buy him , pay the same wages and then he would play every game - so it’s possible that it was his only way of getting regular football , he was going to be a squad player for us.

His interview wasn’t well thought through at all

But there are a good amount of footballers past and present picking up the middle money , clubs are being bought by it and fans are very silent on it - because they don’t care if it brings trophies , they don’t care about where the money comes from

Add in all those current and past stars that are going over the Middle East for Corp events to help boost their image and the sport there

Money is no object and they are going to try and buy everything - it won’t be long before Saudi have the World Cup , Olympics will be soon

 

[clubchamp98]

Two things. 1 if he came out and said I went there for the money people would have a lot more respect than the Bull he is coming out with 2 isn't the issue with Scott nothing to do with the fact she is a lady but the fact she is openly gay which is why she would not be welcome?

My post was only about the working relationship with the Saudis and they both had equal right to go there.
nothing more.

 

[Rlburnside]

Everyone is going to Saudi for the money - Henderson was offered a contract with them , it was reported that it was £700k a week but he dismissed that and apparently he is not much more than what he earns now. I don’t think any club in the Prem would look to buy him , pay the same wages and then he would play every game - so it’s possible that it was his only way of getting regular football , he was going to be a squad player for us.

His interview wasn’t well thought through at all

But there are a good amount of footballers past and present picking up the middle money , clubs are being bought by it and fans are very silent on it - because they don’t care if it brings trophies , they don’t care about where the money comes from

Add in all those current and past stars that are going over the Middle East for Corp events to help boost their image and the sport there

Money is no object and they are going to try and buy everything - it won’t be long before Saudi have the World Cup , Olympics will be soon

I think Henderson was rightly criticized for going to Saudi just because of his supposed support of LGBT and I can understand why he’s being labeled a hypocrite by some.

I think he could have easily joined a premiership club to see out his career if he wished.

Sadly I think your last statement is already in the pipeline they are trying diversify and look to the future, the game could look very different in 5-10 years time if the corruption in FIFA etc continues.

 

[Tashyboy]

The year is 2060. Gareth Southgate is still England manager. Harry Maguire and Jordan Henderson are still starting.

 

[Hobbit]

Let’s keep it clean everyone. Everyone pretty much knows everyone else’s character. Broadcasting is a pointless echo chamber exercise and it doesn’t portray the forum in a good light.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think Henderson was rightly criticized for going to Saudi just because of his supposed support of LGBT and I can understand why he’s being labeled a hypocrite by some.

I think he could have easily joined a premiership club to see out his career if he wished.

Sadly I think your last statement is already in the pipeline they are trying diversify and look to the future, the game could look very different in 5-10 years time if the corruption in FIFA etc continues.

Henderson will have to live with his choice and certainly going to have to do a lot of work repairing a relationship with LGBT community- he was very vocal in his support for them and they will feel very let down right now so he shouldn’t have any complaints about the negative reaction he has from them. The interview added nothing but more negativity for him - not very well thought through

I don’t think he would have got another Prem club coming in for him tbh so he was left with two choices- stay at Liverpool and be a squad player or go to Saudi and play regularly

And yes the game is changing for the worse with the money from the Middle East - believe the new Club World Cup will be there as well

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I think Henderson was rightly criticized for going to Saudi just because of his supposed support of LGBT and I can understand why he’s being labeled a hypocrite by some.

I think he could have easily joined a premiership club to see out his career if he wished.

Sadly I think your last statement is already in the pipeline they are trying diversify and look to the future, the game could look very different in 5-10 years time if the corruption in FIFA etc continues.

Henderson deserves all the criticism he gets, as Liverpool Captain and as a former England captain at times he publically spoke out for a community of people who felt welcomed and supported by his comments.

As a straight white man i'll never appreciate the support/comfort he gave to them.

My thought on Henderson's move is quite a simple one. I believe as Liverpool Captain and as an England regular the Saudi regime have bought him to silence him and his opinions. Both teams reach out to millions of people globally.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Henderson deserves all the criticism he gets, as Liverpool Captain and as a former England captain at times he publically spoke out for a community of people who felt welcomed and supported by his comments.

As a straight white man i'll never appreciate the support/comfort he gave to them.

My thought on Henderson's move is quite a simple one. I believe as Liverpool Captain and as an England regular the Saudi regime have bought him to silence him and his opinions. Both teams reach out to millions of people globally.

It’s made a heck of a dent in his reputation with the club and the fans , they supported him when he got a lot of flak and then when through Covid he did a lot of good work - it’s going to take a heck of a lot of work for him to repair that reputation

 

[Orikoru]

God, five pages talking about Henderson. As if we needed another reason for Southgate not to pick him.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

God, five pages talking about Henderson. As if we needed another reason for Southgate not to pick him.

My sincerest apologies, please let us know who, when and what we can talk about, i really wouldnt like to disrupt your thread.

 

[Orikoru]

My sincerest apologies, please let us know who, when and what we can talk about, i really wouldnt like to disrupt your thread.

We already had the Henderson Saudi discussion when he moved there, now we've just had another five full pages about him all over again. You've only posted once so it's not really on you. I suppose a damning statement on England's performance if this was all there was to talk about.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We already had the Henderson Saudi discussion when he moved there, now we've just had another five full pages about him all over again. You've only posted once so it's not really on you. I suppose a damning statement on England's performance if this was all there was to talk about.

Unfortunately as soon as he was picked for England it was going to be part of the discussion for some hence why they brought it up and because it’s Henderson I suspect it will be brought up by some on a number of occasions - even more so when he gets picked by England


Anyway

Looks like Pogba has multiple issues at the moment
First drugs test

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12505377/amp/Paul-Pogba-FAILS-drugs-test-testing-positive-testosterone-Juventuss-game-season.html

Then seems he was part of a blackmail plot ( against him )

Pogba considered retirement over blackmail plot - BBC Sport

Paul Pogba says he considered retiring from football after being the target of extortion and threats from an organised gang, including his brother Mathias.

www.bbc.com

 

[Swango1980]

God, five pages talking about Henderson. As if we needed another reason for Southgate not to pick him.

At least it takes some of the heat off Maguire

 

[Deleted member 1740]

We already had the Henderson Saudi discussion when he moved there, now we've just had another five full pages about him all over again. You've only posted once so it's not really on you. I suppose a damning statement on England's performance if this was all there was to talk about.

Theres a secret Henderson fan club on here.

Unfortunately i wasnt afforded the oppurtunnity to partake in such discussion at the time but i note for future reference not to discuss anything say 24hrs old? That keep you happy?

I watched the game on saturday and i thought there were a few more abysmal performances than just Henderson. Madison, Chilwell,Rice to name a few.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

At least it takes some of the heat off Maguire

Maguire was comfortably MOTM

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Theres a secret Henderson fan club on here.

Unfortunately i wasnt afforded the oppurtunnity to partake in such discussion at the time but i note for future reference not to discuss anything say 24hrs old? That keep you happy?

I watched the game on saturday and i thought there were a few more abysmal performances than just Henderson. Madison, Chilwell,Rice to name a few.

You can't say that, some of those are players in certain members club teams, and we can't have anything said about them now, can we