The Footie Thread

[Billysboots]

I very much agree with what you say but I was very surprised at how much the statement made by United went down the innoncence route, as, maybe less surprisingly, did Greenwood's. A statement from United stating that the circumstances simply made it impossible for the player to remain with the club, mistakes were made etc and with both agreeing that a fresh start away from the media spotlight was what was needed would seem to suffice. There was, however, several mentions of evidence that the public had not seen that proved innocence etc. Now, that may be part of the agreement for Greenwod to go quietly, a very specifically worded statement to make a move to another club more likely but if there was evidence that would exonerate me in the eyes of the public and the criminal justice system, I would want it out there asap.

I don’t disagree. However, the evidence in question may not exonerate Greenwood at all - it may simply have meant that there no longer remained a realistic prospect of a conviction. There is a subtle, but nevertheless significant, difference.

This is an absolute mess, far more so than any of us will ever know. It’s certainly not as simple as releasing details of what may or may not be evidence into the public domain simply to make everyone’s life easier. There are very complex rules relating to evidence, many of which may even make that an impossibility.

 

[GB72]

I don’t disagree. However, the evidence in question may not exonerate Greenwood at all - it may simply have meant that there no longer remained a realistic prospect of a conviction. There is a subtle, but nevertheless significant, difference.

This is an absolute mess, far more so than any of us will ever know. It’s certainly not as simple as releasing details of what may or may not be evidence into the public domain simply to make everyone’s life easier. There are very complex rules relating to evidence, many of which may even make that an impossibility.

Again totally agree which is why I was surprised that the statements yesterday, and some of the comments from the United CEO, emphasise innnonence. A carrot such as that is only going to encourage more digging. Apologies for any confusion, was not talking about the police or CPS, they have done what they needed to and played a pretty straight bat in their comments. United were the big suprise in their comments on innocence.

In the case of prosecuting the matter, totally agree with you but I am not sure why the statements made yesterday had to emphasise evidence of innocence.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I very much agree with what you say but I was very surprised at how much the statement made by United went down the innoncence route, as, maybe less surprisingly, did Greenwood's. A statement from United stating that the circumstances simply made it impossible for the player to remain with the club, mistakes were made etc and with both agreeing that a fresh start away from the media spotlight was what was needed would seem to suffice. There was, however, several mentions of evidence that the public had not seen that proved innocence etc. Now, that may be part of the agreement for Greenwod to go quietly, a very specifically worded statement to make a move to another club more likely but if there was evidence that would exonerate me in the eyes of the public and the criminal justice system, I would want it out there asap.

The statement made by Man Utd and the player is poor

Multiple pundits ex players have highlighted how poor it was and how poor the club have dealt with it

There was some sympathy for Arnold because it seems the Glazers have washed their hands of it to let him deal with it - another and sign of how poorly run the club is and lack of leadership

The fact there were looking to be bring him back into the fold in the first place was shocking and then to use public perception to test the waters - awful PR

It should have been dealt with a lot better than what is has been and there is still the perception that the club see Greenwood as a victim

 

[Billysboots]

Again totally agree which is why I was surprised that the statements yesterday, and some of the comments from the United CEO, emphasise innnonence. A carrot such as that is only going to encourage more digging. Apologies for any confusion, was not talking about the police or CPS, they have done what they needed to and played a pretty straight bat in their comments. United were the big suprise in their comments on innocence.

In the case of prosecuting the matter, totally agree with you but I am not sure why the statements made yesterday had to emphasise evidence of innocence.

United are a business and Greenwood a significant asset owned by that business. I suspect United are trying to protect the value of that asset pending any sale.

I don’t envy the club at all. This is not a mess of their making. But they’ve not, on the face of it, handled it at all well.

 

[GB72]

The statement made by Man Utd and the player is poor

Multiple pundits ex players have highlighted how poor it was and how poor the club have dealt with it

There was some sympathy for Arnold because it seems the Glazers have washed their hands of it to let him deal with it - another and sign of how poorly run the club is and lack of leadership

The fact there were looking to be bring him back into the fold in the first place was shocking and then to use public perception to test the waters - awful PR

It should have been dealt with a lot better than what is has been and there is still the perception that the club see Greenwood as a victim

Much I agree with except for the Glazers bit. Leaving the decision to the CEO, their boots on the ground, would seem perfectly reasobable and is what a CEO is there for. Not as if the tea person was asked to decide. For once I do not see this as one that can be parked at the door of the Glazers, most things can, but asking the person paid to run that division of their holdings to make a decision about a currently contracted employee would not seem out of order.

 

[Aztecs27]

£9.4 for a 26yr old Argentine international . What's wrong with him?

Ironically there seems to be some DV case on him that popped up earlier in the year but outside of one report in Spanish, there’s nothing recent or any other reports. I would be gobsmacked if we’ve signed him with that hanging over his head if there was even the slightest concern of his character (player character is cooper’s number 1 metric).

 

[TimShady]

The statement made by Man Utd and the player is poor

Multiple pundits ex players have highlighted how poor it was and how poor the club have dealt with it

There was some sympathy for Arnold because it seems the Glazers have washed their hands of it to let him deal with it - another and sign of how poorly run the club is and lack of leadership

The fact there were looking to be bring him back into the fold in the first place was shocking and then to use public perception to test the waters - awful PR

It should have been dealt with a lot better than what is has been and there is still the perception that the club see Greenwood as a victim

It wasn’t the CEO on his own. You once again massively distort the truth by ignorance or purposeful omission.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It wasn’t the CEO on his own. You once again massively distort the truth by ignorance or purposeful omission.

Nope just relaying what was talked about this morning by Alex Crook and Ally McCoist

 

[ColchesterFC]

Is there a reason that they didn't go after Greenwood for breach of bail conditions? There's clear evidence of him breaking those by being in contact with the victim during that period as she got pregnant and they've now got a child together. What's the point of having bail conditions if breaches are going to be ignored?

 

[Billysboots]

Is there a reason that they didn't go after Greenwood for breach of bail conditions? There's clear evidence of him breaking those by being in contact with the victim during that period as she got pregnant and they've now got a child together. What's the point of having bail conditions if breaches are going to be ignored?

Again, on the face of it you would think Greenwood should have been arrested following any alleged breach of bail conditions.

However, there is a clear assumption in saying as much that the victim, who the bail conditions will have been intended to safeguard, was not complicit in any breach.

Nobody here knows the circumstances behind any alleged breach so we can’t comment.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Well that's the centre back and central midfield now sorted

CB this guy who I'm not copying his name again! I'll call him papa

Means we have moved on from maigure (cheaper, younger, faster , however not Ness better but more scope)

CDM we have this Alvarez, looks very promising .. nice to have a proper cdm .. well one that's prepared to play cdm.

Cm JWP I think one of the signings of the entire window. For 30 mil that's a lot of experience and quality ..his set pieces alone worth it

 

[Dando]

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In shock

https://twitter.com/x/status/1694032059272999078

Common sense at last

 

[Billysboots]

In shock

https://twitter.com/x/status/1694032059272999078

Common sense at last

Do I get my Fantasy Football points back?

 

[ColchesterFC]

Again, on the face of it you would think Greenwood should have been arrested following any alleged breach of bail conditions.

However, there is a clear assumption in saying as much that the victim, who the bail conditions will have been intended to safeguard, was not complicit in any breach.

Nobody here knows the circumstances behind any alleged breach so we can’t comment.

Cheers for the reply. From what I've read he was prohibited from contacting the defendant. Unless I'm so old and out of touch with the youth of today and how they're doing it, him getting her pregnant would certainly have involved contact. If the victim is complicit in the breach could she also be charged for that breach?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Do I get my Fantasy Football points back?

On a serious note - it’s time for the PGMOL to ask Tierney some questions. How he saw that and didn’t sent the ref to the screen I’ll never know and it’s not the first time he has been involved with issues with Liverpool and Klopp

Shouldn’t be involved in any of our games that’s for sure

 

[Orikoru]

Hmmm. Yes, he was booked that day, in the 70th minute...

 

[Billysboots]

Cheers for the reply. From what I've read he was prohibited from contacting the defendant. Unless I'm so old and out of touch with the youth of today and how they're doing it, him getting her pregnant would certainly have involved contact. If the victim is complicit in the breach could she also be charged for that breach?

The bottom line, I’m afraid, is that it’s simply not worth the time or money.

The ultimate aims of bail conditions include safeguarding victims and witnesses and preventing the loss of evidence. Once those are no longer an issue pursuing any breach simply isn’t worth it.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

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Hmmm. Yes, he was booked that day, in the 70th minute...

Not sure how you can guarantee our refs will do their job

 

[Deleted member 15344]

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Hmmm. Yes, he was booked that day, in the 70th minute...

If that’s proven then that’s some serious trouble and lengthy ban - that’s a step up from Toney