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Orikoru said:
I'm with Redknapp & Richards here. I think at a stable club with a manager that actually understands players, Pogba could thrive. And it's a free transfer - it's not like they'll be worried how much they have to pay him.
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So United sold him when they weren’t stable or had a decent manager of many years and trophies?
 
Bunkermagnet said:
If he was wanted by Fergie, he wouldn’t have been allowed to leave like he did.
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he was labelled disrespectful to the club

tbh whoever gets him id be more worried about his fitness only 5 seasons with 30 plus appearances in the league
 
pauljames87 said:
he was labelled disrespectful to the club

tbh whoever gets him id be more worried about his fitness only 5 seasons with 30 plus appearances in the league
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So if Fergie was happy to get rid of him, doesn’t that say something? It’s not as if Fergie never brought young talent through or could see potential, and also trouble.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
So if Fergie was happy to get rid of him, doesn’t that say something? It’s not as if Fergie never brought young talent through or could see potential, and also trouble.
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fergie wouldnt put up with a lot of the attitudes of modern day footballers
 
Orikoru said:
I'm with Redknapp & Richards here. I think at a stable club with a manager that actually understands players, Pogba could thrive. And it's a free transfer - it's not like they'll be worried how much they have to pay him.
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Pogba has excellent technical ability, as I've always said. However, is his technical ability better than any of the current City players? I'd doubt that.

So, you have a player who has given no evidence that he is willing to work hard and "die" for the cause. Roll his sleeves up when things get tough. So, how will the other players at City feel about that. When DeBruyne, Foden or Silva are gasping for air, covering every blade of grass, as Pogba swans about the pitch, with less technical quality than them. Even if his technical quality was higher, I still reckon the other players would get frustrated. Horrible for the dressing room.

I wonder what his wage demands would be? I think only DeBruyne, Sterling and Grealish currently get paid more than him (Sterling and Grealish marginally more). If he demands a huge salary, especially as he is on a free transfer, is that not just another potentially destabilising issue in the dressing room? If he demanded £400,000 a week, that is still over £20million a year on a possible waste of space. I know City have lots of money, but surely they can think of better ways to invest that money?

Besides, how much has Pogba been out injured? He is either an injury liability, or a player who has the attitude of just faking injuries to avoid playing. Neither sounds appealing. I'd stay well clear of him.
 
Swango1980 said:
Pogba has excellent technical ability, as I've always said. However, is his technical ability better than any of the current City players? I'd doubt that.

So, you have a player who has given no evidence that he is willing to work hard and "die" for the cause. Roll his sleeves up when things get tough. So, how will the other players at City feel about that. When DeBruyne, Foden or Silva are gasping for air, covering every blade of grass, as Pogba swans about the pitch, with less technical quality than them. Even if his technical quality was higher, I still reckon the other players would get frustrated. Horrible for the dressing room.

I wonder what his wage demands would be? I think only DeBruyne, Sterling and Grealish currently get paid more than him (Sterling and Grealish marginally more). If he demands a huge salary, especially as he is on a free transfer, is that not just another potentially destabilising issue in the dressing room? If he demanded £400,000 a week, that is still over £20million a year on a possible waste of space. I know City have lots of money, but surely they can think of better ways to invest that money?

Besides, how much has Pogba been out injured? He is either an injury liability, or a player who has the attitude of just faking injuries to avoid playing. Neither sounds appealing. I'd stay well clear of him.
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At his peak, yes, he's one of the very best in the world. And very few in that City team actually hold down a place in the team every week anyway. We know he's a world class player because we've seen it at Juve and with France, and only in very limited spells at Utd. But I genuinely believe Pep is a good enough manager of players to get the best out of him. Which involves both motivating the player, and playing a system that suits him, players around him that complement him. How often has he had those things at Utd? Almost never I'd say. He doesn't work hard defensively, but City is exactly the sort of side where he wouldn't really have to for 9 games out of 10, they have other players who can handle that. The free transfer makes it appealing and obviously offsets some of the wage demands.

All that said, I think it's very unlikely he'd go there, seems more likely to go for the easy gig like a PSG or something.
 
Orikoru said:
At his peak, yes, he's one of the very best in the world. And very few in that City team actually hold down a place in the team every week anyway. We know he's a world class player because we've seen it at Juve and with France, and only in very limited spells at Utd. But I genuinely believe Pep is a good enough manager of players to get the best out of him. Which involves both motivating the player, and playing a system that suits him, players around him that complement him. How often has he had those things at Utd? Almost never I'd say. He doesn't work hard defensively, but City is exactly the sort of side where he wouldn't really have to for 9 games out of 10, they have other players who can handle that. The free transfer makes it appealing and obviously offsets some of the wage demands.

All that said, I think it's very unlikely he'd go there, seems more likely to go for the easy gig like a PSG or something.
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Maybe City fans would be better versed in explaining the work rate of their players. However, seems to me that every player on the pitch gives 100% in and out of possession. It does not appear that they carry any players when it comes to defending as a team.

If that is the case, why would they want a player, arguably not as good technically what they already have, and have to ask everyone else to work harder to cover for him?

Playing for France is different. Not only are the opposition often much weaker, but any side you play against has limited time to work as a team. Not like a club side who work with the same players week in, week out. So, at club level he will usually be up against very well drilled sides. I never watched him at Juve. But, I understand it is played at a much slower pace, and Juve were much better than most sides they played.

Clearly, if Pogba went to City, Pogba would do better simply as he'd be playing in a better side. However, from City's point of view, it would surely be a downgrade. There must be many more better players out there, players who work hard and always ready for a fight.
 
Swango1980 said:
Maybe City fans would be better versed in explaining the work rate of their players. However, seems to me that every player on the pitch gives 100% in and out of possession. It does not appear that they carry any players when it comes to defending as a team.

If that is the case, why would they want a player, arguably not as good technically what they already have, and have to ask everyone else to work harder to cover for him?

Playing for France is different. Not only are the opposition often much weaker, but any side you play against has limited time to work as a team. Not like a club side who work with the same players week in, week out. So, at club level he will usually be up against very well drilled sides. I never watched him at Juve. But, I understand it is played at a much slower pace, and Juve were much better than most sides they played.

Clearly, if Pogba went to City, Pogba would do better simply as he'd be playing in a better side. However, from City's point of view, it would surely be a downgrade. There must be many more better players out there, players who work hard and always ready for a fight.
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Chelsea done alright with lampard having others do his work whilst he performed fantastically as an attacking midfielder
 
Swango1980 said:
Maybe City fans would be better versed in explaining the work rate of their players. However, seems to me that every player on the pitch gives 100% in and out of possession. It does not appear that they carry any players when it comes to defending as a team.

If that is the case, why would they want a player, arguably not as good technically what they already have, and have to ask everyone else to work harder to cover for him?

Playing for France is different. Not only are the opposition often much weaker, but any side you play against has limited time to work as a team. Not like a club side who work with the same players week in, week out. So, at club level he will usually be up against very well drilled sides. I never watched him at Juve. But, I understand it is played at a much slower pace, and Juve were much better than most sides they played.

Clearly, if Pogba went to City, Pogba would do better simply as he'd be playing in a better side. However, from City's point of view, it would surely be a downgrade. There must be many more better players out there, players who work hard and always ready for a fight.
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As I've said, on his day he is absolutely world class and technically better than anyone. He just hasn't had a lot of those days in a United shirt. I think he would work a little harder if he was more motivated. But Yaya Toure did pretty well at City, and he stopped working defensively for pretty much his last 3 or 4 seasons. Like Yaya, it isn't just technique with Pogba, it's size and strength as well - City don't have so much of that. Pogba is certainly an upgrade on Gundogan for example, and gives them something different to Foden and Bernardo by being about 6 inches taller than them.

Anyway, I don't want to argue about this all day since it's (a) just my opinion and (b) speculation that'll probably never happen.
 
pauljames87 said:
Chelsea done alright with lampard having others do his work whilst he performed fantastically as an attacking midfielder
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One for Chelsea fans to think about. However, I suspect Chelsea did not play with the same tactics as City. I never saw Lampard as lazy personally, and he always seemed to have a strong winning mentality. Does Pogba have that? Not shown it in a long time at best.
 
Skytot said:
Haaland expected to sign for City this week. They’ve signed Alvarez already . Some fire power that
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I can see Alvarez being loaned out if they do bring in Haaland but you're right, its quite laughable how insane their forward line will be next year :ROFLMAO:
 
pauljames87 said:
you just said united werent canceling games willy nilly

they are a game ahead of everyone.. but also a game weekend ahead

the cancelling of games is nothing to do why they are on 37 games.. as it isnt week 37 game week yet.
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I actually said they weren't cancelling games, willy nilly, during the Covid situation.

Subtle difference.

The other teams are all playing catch up due to missed games .......................... cancelled during the Covid situation.
 
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