The Footie Thread

[Orikoru]

Would like to see Rice and Bellingham get a run of games together (with Philips as cover when fit). 4 at the back and then 3 from Foden, Mount, Saka, Sancho, Grealish, Gallagher, Smith Rowe etc behind Kane.

Who the 4 at the back is it totally up for grabs though you would think

The fact that Maguire is still getting the nod by default is pretty damning. We're still waiting for someone to emerge. I feel that Dier has been good for us this season, and he's a leader, but he does have the odd mistake in him. Problem is I can't think of someone who doesn't have a mistake in them!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Would like to see Rice and Bellingham get a run of games together (with Philips as cover when fit). 4 at the back and then 3 from Foden, Mount, Saka, Sancho, Grealish, Gallagher, Smith Rowe etc behind Kane.

Who the 4 at the back is it totally up for grabs though you would think

In my humble opinion providing all are fit and playing well the best England team is

Pickford

TAA
Gomez
Stones
Chilwell

Rice
Henderson
Mount/Galllagher

Sterling/Foden
Kane
Saka

 

[fundy]

In my humble opinion providing all are fit and playing well the best England team is

Pickford

TAA
Gomez
Stones
Chilwell

Rice
Henderson
Mount/Galllagher

Sterling/Foden
Kane
Saka

Keeper could be anyone from 3 as it couldve been for a while now but until he makes errors for England Pickfords them man in the shirt
Right back has been discussed ad nauseum, for me Id have James in a back 4
Cant see any mgr picking 2 centre halves who arent first choice for their clubs, I guess theyd be fresh at least
Agree on Chilwell assuming he comes back as good as he was pre injury
Attacking 3 Id prob go with Saka Mount and Foden but several are interchangeable in there

 

[Bdill93]

In my humble opinion providing all are fit and playing well the best England team is

Pickford

TAA
Gomez
Stones
Chilwell

Rice
Henderson
Mount/Galllagher

Sterling/Foden
Kane
Saka

Does Gomez get game time these days? If so - no idea why we dont see more of him with England!

 

[stefanovic]

As a supporter of non league I'd just like to pay tribute to Tom Rankin who died aged 26 at the weekend.
I saw him play a few times for my team Highgate United on loan in January.

Redditch United: Tributes after non-league footballer's death - BBC News

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Does Gomez get game time these days? If so - no idea why we dont see more of him with England!

He doesn't get much though hes come back from a very bad injury and is trying to get in ahead of Matip who has been fully fit this season and performing so well. Then theres Konate ahead of him.

He's a better defender than that current cart horse that gets picked every game.

 

[Bdill93]

He doesn't get much though hes come back from a very bad injury and is trying to get in ahead of Matip who has been fully fit this season and performing so well. Then theres Konate ahead of him.

He's a better defender than that current cart horse that gets picked every game.

Fingers crossed for England that he gets back into the first team at liverpool then!

Ive seen him linked with Villa recently too

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Exactly. And what guarantee is there of success anyway. Southgate has brought a balanced and calm camp together where players enjoy being together and they are playing as a unit. It may not be pretty but they keep on winning. What else is he supposed to do. So close to winning two major finals, and you can't say they were handed it on a plate as they have to still win matches

Are you sure about that? In the WC2018 The 1st good team they came up against they lost V Belgium 1-0 then Croatia in the semis.

Beat Tunisia 2-1
Beat Panama 6-1
Lost to Belguim 0-1
Drew Colombia beating them on pens
Beat Sweden 2-0
Lost Croatia 1-2

Out of those 6 teams, youd expect England to beat 4 of them comfortably and be able beat the other 2 with the right tactics etc.

Euro 2020 it was almost handpicked again.

Scraped past Croatia and Czech Republic. Couldnt beat an average Scotland side, beat the Germans, comfortably beat Ukraine and needed extra time to beat the mighty Denmark. In control against the Ities and got schooled by the masters of the game.??

You're suggesting both tournaments they've played the world/european Elite at every stage.

Southgate's doing a great job, long may he continue.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Fingers crossed for England that he gets back into the first team at liverpool then!

Ive seen him linked with Villa recently too

Nah i hope he stay's as 4th choice for us ?

I seen hes been linked with Villa aswell. What i would say, from what i've seen of Mings, Gomez is comfortably better than him.

 

[Bdill93]

Nah i hope he stay's as 4th choice for us ?

I seen hes been linked with Villa aswell. What i would say, from what i've seen of Mings, Gomez is comfortably better than him.

I dont see our Captain being displaced before the other CB (Currently either Konsa or Chambers) but fair point.

Everyone hates on Mings

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I dont see our Captain being displaced before the other CB (Currently either Konsa or Chambers) but fair point.

Everyone hates on Mings

Dont hate him, just dont think he's any good from what i've seen and he's no better than Maguire.

 

[Orikoru]

In my humble opinion providing all are fit and playing well the best England team is

Pickford

TAA
Gomez
Stones
Chilwell

Rice
Henderson
Mount/Galllagher

Sterling/Foden
Kane
Saka

The only one I'd really question is Gomez. Have we ever seen him have a good game without Van Dijk next to him? Playing with Van Dijk and Allison is a world away from playing with Stones and Pickford, he'd have to step up considerably.

Still not sure why Tomori wasn't given a go in this squad. Playing well with Milan who are top of the league.

 

[Papas1982]

Gotta say I'm in the Tomori camp. Was surprised Chelsea let him go tbh. Looks like him and Abraham's showing once again how wonderful Chelsea's youth system works until they need to play them.

I'd like to see stones and Gomez play. But agree hard to justify when getting no games.

For me Henderson get in on the big games for experience, but would rather actually see Bellingham, Mount, JWP or Phillips. The first 2 prefer to play slightly further but imo neither are better than Foden who I think would be perfect through the middle and slightly wasted out wide with our wingbacks roaming.

 

[Bdill93]

The only one I'd really question is Gomez. Have we ever seen him have a good game without Van Dijk next to him? Playing with Van Dijk and Allison is a world away from playing with Stones and Pickford, he'd have to step up considerably.

Still not sure why Tomori wasn't given a go in this squad. Playing well with Milan who are top of the league.

Gotta say I'm in the Tomori camp. Was surprised Chelsea let him go tbh. Looks like him and Abraham's showing once again how wonderful Chelsea's youth system works until they need to play them.

I'd like to see stones and Gomez play. But agree hard to justify when getting no games.

For me Henderson get in on the big games for experience, but would rather actually see Bellingham, Mount, JWP or Phillips. The first 2 prefer to play slightly further but imo neither are better than Foden who I think would be perfect through the middle and slightly wasted out wide with our wingbacks roaming.

Simple reason for Tomori I think - its a poor league and hes not defending against top quality players on a regular basis.

I know Tammy has made the squad - but his goalscoring record cant be ignored as we lack depth for real "number 9's"

Dont hate him, just dont think he's any good from what i've seen and he's no better than Maguire.

Id take that considering one was £25m and the other was 80

 

[Deleted member 1740]

The only one I'd really question is Gomez. Have we ever seen him have a good game without Van Dijk next to him? Playing with Van Dijk and Allison is a world away from playing with Stones and Pickford, he'd have to step up considerably.

Still not sure why Tomori wasn't given a go in this squad. Playing well with Milan who are top of the league.

It wouldnt matter anyway Virg isnt English?

I've seen plenty of Gomez live and he's very good. Got pace, reads the game well, great distribution, doesn't panic, positionally very good.

 

[Orikoru]

Simple reason for Tomori I think - its a poor league and hes not defending against top quality players on a regular basis.

I know Tammy has made the squad - but his goalscoring record cant be ignored as we lack depth for real "number 9's"

Granted but playing regularly at the top of Serie A still trumps 12th place in the Prem doesn't it? Or sitting on the bench most weeks albeit for a top team in England? Got to be worth a call-up at least.

 

[Orikoru]

It wouldnt matter anyway Virg isnt English?

I've seen plenty of Gomez live and he's very good. Got pace, reads the game well, great distribution, doesn't panic, positionally very good.

It's just hard to see him developing the experience and maturity you need given that he's always injured. Destined to be another Wilshere or Sturridge at the moment.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's just hard to see him developing the experience and maturity you need given that he's always injured. Destined to be another Wilshere or Sturridge at the moment.

Gomez is superb , reading of the game , his passing , strong and crucially his pace is very good

He had two serious injuries early in his career then got a broken ankle after a bad tackle - he was then every present whilst we won the league until another bad tackle during England training. His injuries aren’t the constant muscle ones that the likes of Wilshire used to get

Don’t see any other CB being as good as him - he just needs to get on the pitch more for us but it’s tough with the others playing well.

 

[Orikoru]

Gomez is superb , reading of the game , his passing , strong and crucially his pace is very good

He had two serious injuries early in his career then got a broken ankle after a bad tackle - he was then every present whilst we won the league until another bad tackle during England training. His injuries aren’t the constant muscle ones that the likes of Wilshire used to get

Don’t see any other CB being as good as him - he just needs to get on the pitch more for us but it’s tough with the others playing well.

That's the problem for him now I guess. Has to not only get fit but also displace Matip who has had a brilliant season. Or potentially, leave Liverpool to get first team football.

 

[Bdill93]

Granted but playing regularly at the top of Serie A still trumps 12th place in the Prem doesn't it? Or sitting on the bench most weeks albeit for a top team in England? Got to be worth a call-up at least.

I dont think it does though. Even a Burnley CB plays against better opposition every week than Tomori.

Norwich's CB's are playing more games this season against Champions League Quarter Finalists than Tomori is......