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davemc1 said:
All of this and yet yous are still behind the worst Utd team in 40+years. Yeah he’s doing a great job ?‍♂️?
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Sorry but look at the levels of expectation

It's our first season fully competing in Europa yet are behind a united side with how many millions of "talent"? 6th In the league is nothing to sniff at

Now imagine if we had your backing in the transfer market? I think top 4 would be more than achievable.

The fact your post just proves me point .. fans look down on actual success because it's not what they see as success


Take Liverpool, how much stick did they get for not winning the title? Yet they won everything but ...

Now they have delivered on the title and play some of the best football in the league whilst staying sensible with their spending ..

How far are united off being at where they fans expect to be? 2/3 years or another decade?
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Since Fergie left Utd, I don’t see a manager that has been there long enough to have the control Fergie did. I suspect Moyes May have done if he had been given time, but I don’t think the players wanted him and neither did the fans, who wanted instant success continuation which was never going to happen with the squad there was.
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Which is basically what the problem is down to.. the players .. too many big egos who haven't performed
 
pauljames87 said:
Sorry but look at the levels of expectation

It's our first season fully competing in Europa yet are behind a united side with how many millions of "talent"? 6th In the league is nothing to sniff at

Now imagine if we had your backing in the transfer market? I think top 4 would be more than achievable.

The fact your post just proves me point .. fans look down on actual success because it's not what they see as success


Take Liverpool, how much stick did they get for not winning the title? Yet they won everything but ...

Now they have delivered on the title and play some of the best football in the league whilst staying sensible with their spending ..

How far are united off being at where they fans expect to be? 2/3 years or another decade?
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I agree - even if you finish top 8, you've had a great year considering all the additional football played in Europe!
 
Bdill93 said:
There is. Sign someone and get the deal done. What did you do in Jan?

United of old got their man no matter what. End of.

I fear any manager coming to united now is going to fail unless the hierachy steps in to clear out the dead wood. Even Arsenal have more balls than you in that aspect.
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Well, of course, we can just buy players in. However, if we treated it that simply, we'd probably just be continuing our awful policy of throwing money around and thinking our problems will be solved.

I've no idea who is in charge of identifying and buying players. I used to think the manager would have a large input into this, however signings like De Beek indicate this is simply not the case. And, it has been a disaster. Ragnick only just got appointed before the transfer window, AND he is only a temporary replacement. So, do United go out and spend big money in the January transfer window, for players Ragnick may not want? Before he has even had the chance to get to properly know the players that are at the club? And, even if there were players he wanted, it won't work out so well if the new manager next season does not fancy them. Finally, what club is willing to sell their best players mid season to United, assuming these players are talented enough to show significant improvement to a shambles of a team?

Basically, United have made plenty of mistakes season after season. I was simply saying that, due to these mistakes, Ragnick has no real choice to play Fred and McTomminay in games like yesterday. The best solution is not to rush out and panic buy, but to ensure as soon as possible they know who the manager will be next season (I can only hope this is all being done efficiently behind the scenes, and maybe already settled). Then work out what long term direction they want to go in. They also need to be ruthless. If players show they are not good enough, get rid asap. In the Ferguson years, there was no hesitation in even getting rid of big players like Stam, Beckham, Keane and Van Nistlerooy, yet today not only are we holding on to Pogba, but we still have Phil Jones, Mata, Matic, etc. The people who run the club have become hoarders of players, it is ridiculous.
 

I can refute most of what you say again, but it will just end up going round in circles.

How come so many people get in arguments with you on here, and it ends up with you saying "you mis-understand what I'm saying"?
 
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Moyes is at the right level for his management style , he is a solid manager who gets a lot of hard work out of his team , they are always hard to beat , physical and add a little of attacking in there - he did well for years at Everton getting them around 5-8th each year from modest resources - but going to Man Utd is totally different , the expectations are massively different and the style is expected to be different.

He showed in his first time at West Ham that it’s a job that suits him , again it’s that club just below the top clubs where the fans aren’t expecting leagues and CL etc but they want to see the team progress , battle and be in amongst those looking to break into top 4/Europa spots - and that’s exactly what he is doing at West Ham and the fans appear to be ok with that , I can see them getting a cup at some point soon

But here is doing a Good job there , has some very good players and getting more out of others. It will be interesting to see what happens when Rice leaves and the players that arrive
 
Liverpoolphil said:
That wasn’t money “earned” by the club , and certainly not money that can be put onto the accounts to the be used for the club

That was from selling a percentage of their company - and they then used that money to purchase another team to add to the portfolio.

Did people expect that to be used for player purchases ? They may well have used some of the money to help build up the stand but it wasn’t investment into the football club from Redbird and I don’t know why people think it was.
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It was sold as money to keep going with infrastructure developments throughout the group.

No matter how you spin it, the portfolio of clubs like us and the red sox, chiefly, are the reasons why investors are buying in.
 
Bdill93 said:
Blokes a magician. Honestly, cant believe we have him at Villa. If he signs permenant ill lose my head.

What I cant get is that Traore and Auba are doing well in the farmers league at Barca - but they wouldnt play Coutinho!?
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100 mill for Grealish, and if you get Coutinho in for less than 50 mill are two deals made in heaven for you.

A big upgrade and loads of dosh in the bank, as well.
 
Bdill93 said:
I agree - even if you finish top 8, you've had a great year considering all the additional football played in Europe!
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To many fans for me got excited about top 4.. no no no dont run before you can walk

slow and steady

we finished 6th in the league.. that was remarkable.. since then we have finished quarter finals of the league cup (knocking out the holders and their noisy neighbors) have reached the last 16 of europa...5th round of FA cup.. all not to be sniffed at.. all progression

say we are knocked out europa next thursday and we end up finishing top 8 that would be outstanding considering where we were when moyes took over (should never have been let go.. the club saw MP and tried to run before it could walk)

now Rice is prob off , hey is what it is.. you sold grealish and invested wisely .. the world still goes round and you play good football

when rice leaves we can push soucek back up the front and sign a CDM as rices move to Box to box midfielder has hurt souceks natural play

Bowen will be the one ill miss most when he leaves as hes a great attacking players.. good to watch
 
Liverbirdie said:
100 mill for Grealish, and if you get Coutinho in for less than 50 mill are two deals made in heaven for you.

A big upgrade and loads of dosh in the bank, as well.
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Rumoured that its £33m at the end of the season to get him.... A steal!

pauljames87 said:
To many fans for me got excited about top 4.. no no no dont run before you can walk

slow and steady

we finished 6th in the league.. that was remarkable.. since then we have finished quarter finals of the league cup (knocking out the holders and their noisy neighbors) have reached the last 16 of europa...5th round of FA cup.. all not to be sniffed at.. all progression

say we are knocked out europa next thursday and we end up finishing top 8 that would be outstanding considering where we were when moyes took over (should never have been let go.. the club saw MP and tried to run before it could walk)

now Rice is prob off , hey is what it is.. you sold grealish and invested wisely .. the world still goes round and you play good football

when rice leaves we can push soucek back up the front and sign a CDM as rices move to Box to box midfielder has hurt souceks natural play

Bowen will be the one ill miss most when he leaves as hes a great attacking players.. good to watch
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You might get Kalvin Phillips in as a direct replacement if Leeds continue to falter
 
Bdill93 said:
Rumoured that its £33m at the end of the season to get him.... A steal!



You might get Kalvin Phillips in as a direct replacement if Leeds continue to falter
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£30 option to buy I heard you had?

Kalvin Phillips would be an excellent fit. Sitting back to allow soucek forward etc

However id love us to get him in to convince rice that he will be worth staying

Got to think who can afford him now

Chelsea can't ATM

City? Do they need him

Liverpool would be a good fit

United he would suit but would you want to go there? Big club obviously but they need more than him
 
pauljames87 said:
£30 option to buy I heard you had?

Kalvin Phillips would be an excellent fit. Sitting back to allow soucek forward etc

However id love us to get him in to convince rice that he will be worth staying

Got to think who can afford him now

Chelsea can't ATM

City? Do they need him

Liverpool would be a good fit

United he would suit but would you want to go there? Big club obviously but they need more than him
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I thought the same about Grealish but if the head is turned, they're going. Someone will come in for him.

Chelsea could sell Werner to raise some capital and have a bit left over to top it up - theres no way they dont do something in the summer! Maybe not 100m for Rice though.

City buy who they want, not who they need.

Dont see liverpool spending that amount of cash unless hes not 100m.

I hope he avoids United like the plague - but he could be exactly what they need.
 
Bdill93 said:
I thought the same about Grealish but if the head is turned, they're going. Someone will come in for him.

Chelsea could sell Werner to raise some capital and have a bit left over to top it up - theres no way they dont do something in the summer! Maybe not 100m for Rice though.

City buy who they want, not who they need.

Dont see liverpool spending that amount of cash unless hes not 100m.

I hope he avoids United like the plague - but he could be exactly what they need.
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There is so much wrong with that statement. All they need is a striker but will not be held to ransom. There’s a difference.
 
Bdill93 said:
I thought the same about Grealish but if the head is turned, they're going. Someone will come in for him.

Chelsea could sell Werner to raise some capital and have a bit left over to top it up - theres no way they dont do something in the summer! Maybe not 100m for Rice though.

City buy who they want, not who they need.

Dont see liverpool spending that amount of cash unless hes not 100m.

I hope he avoids United like the plague - but he could be exactly what they need.
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Chelsea might have more pressing concerns in the summer if they lose three of their defenders on free transfers. That's going to need a decent amount to be spent to replace them which might not leave much to go after Rice. Having said that I'm not sure what will happen if the club gets bought with regards to how much they will be able to spend under a new owner.
 
Tashyboy said:
There is so much wrong with that statement. All they need is a striker but will not be held to ransom. There’s a difference.
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You needed Grealish then?

You already had (at the time of the transfer)

Foden
Mahrez
KDB
Torres
Bernado Silva
Jesus
Gundogan
 
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