The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 1147]

At what point do City & Liverpool fans stop thinking of United as their biggest game of the season. Seems a bit of a one way rivalry now

I think it’s a too 3 now. Utd have been dropped.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nope, we should have used more of the money that we earned. It took us decades to get to the top again and you have to maintain it by investing to keep it there. FSG's big payment will come when they sell. They will possibly have a 3 or 4 billion pound profit by then.

If we have rebuilt Anfield on 3 or 4 sides and challenged at the top end, with 90-100% of it being self generated money, great, but sometimes a bit of short term investment can pay off to them further down the line.

They spend all the money we earned ? It’s there clear in the accounts , and at times spend a little bit more than that hence years with some losses. There isn’t a pot of money sitting there that hasn’t been spent - and a good deal of that income ( 2/3rds ) has been spent on the wage bill

The club do keep investing - Jota , Thiago , Konate , Diaz , Taki - all players arriving in the last 18 months - and you can add in the investment in the all those new contracts for the big players plus the new training ground. There is no standing still from the club

 

[Slime]

I'm certain those lads and girls who have just endured that defeat wont have left the Etihad saying "ah well i hope they beat Liverpool to the title" they'll be hurt, feeling a mixture of emotions leaving there.

It's small time mentality. I'm enjoying it though ?

Don't forget, I don't go to the games, therefore I don't count.
I am merely white noise.

 

[Liverbirdie]

They spend all the money we earned ? It’s there clear in the accounts , and at times spend a little bit more than that hence years with some losses. There isn’t a pot of money sitting there that hasn’t been spent - and a good deal of that income ( 2/3rds ) has been spent on the wage bill

The club do keep investing - Jota , Thiago , Konate , Diaz , Taki - all players arriving in the last 18 months - and you can add in the investment in the all those new contracts for the big players plus the new training ground. There is no standing still from the club

There was a 750 million dollar pot that they got this year, and although Liverpool is only one of the big two flagships clubs, that money has been earned in part because of us being in the FSG stable.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Liverbirdie said:
Why only the premiership for all the comparisons?

Because we are discussing RA and the PL!

You've jumped around quite a bit on this subject when doing comparisons, so unless your just using eras to suit your argument????

RA woke other clubs up? What did they need waking up from, exactly? If waking clubs up seen clubs overspend/overreach like Leeds, Pompey who both nearly go bust. Derby at the moment. Its one of the reasons that greed/money/finance/owners/sponsorship deals/kit deals/shirt sales/transfer fees are the big talking points now, and less so the football itself.
The PL was absolutely dominated by Utd and RA broke that up, to compete other teams needed to step up.
LPool were the biggest spenders in 8 of the first 10 years of PL and yous won nowt!

I think Arsenal fans will have something to say about that. Remember them invincible blokes? You may be right, we've always been a big spender and man u had the class of 92.

Leeds was pre RA, Pompey had a crook in charge and Derby are irrelevant to the discussion. Shall we mention Bury and blame RA for everything!

I dont blame RA for everything, but greed in football has gone up massively in the last 20+ years. The formation of the premier league, Bosman Ruling were the biggest factors but RA, Man City's owners are the next big names in line with the way football has gone. Donut partners FFP (would prefer to use an S).

Once the worlds best started coming to the PL the PL took off and every Club benefitted from TV money

The more money that has gone into football as seen it lose its soul even more.
Totally agree, but that horse has bolted and whining on about the “good old days” is a waste of time.

20 is plenty, price increases binned after fan revolts, fan revolts about the ESL, spirit of Shankly members on the board.......you give up on it if you want, I'll carry on fighting for the match-goers thanks as sometimes we win. Maybe if sky do an online poll the telly clappers can wade in, as a sort of territorial army.

Don't give me that debt-free rubbish. A 1.5 billion blank cheque was written.
Still debt free, whether we like it or not.

Or if you chose to ignore it.

We should be thankful for him - My God, that has got to be some of the worse drivel I've ever read on here.
Read the post, that is not what I said

You seem to have the most mis-understood posts on here by a country mile.

Its less a sport and now a billionaire/state sponsored willy waving contest.
And your Club is one of the worst, if it bothers you that much, walk away.

Are we owned by a state for sports washing reasons, are we a billionaires play thing who gives us free untold capital, no. We spend what we earn and have a great manager.

if you want a good example, look at where man u and Arsenal were as clubs with a great manager. Granted, man u have spent tonnes of money and are still struggling, but a great manager, untold wealth and 300 million benches take it away from most others. If City win the next 5 leagues and have won 9 out of 10, tell me were all sooooo much better off for it, as a sport.

 

[Billysboots]

Credit where it’s due - Man City were absolutely first class today, and showed once again the gulf between them and Liverpool, and the rest of the Premier League. United barely laid a glove on them.

It pains me to say it, but they are light years ahead of my shower, who seem as far away from competing for the title as they have been at any time since 2013. Every season we seem to be talking about a rebuild being required at Old Trafford, and this season is no different. United, as a bare minimum, need a right back, centre half, central midfielder and striker. Quite possibly a left back too. The saving grace is there are some wages due off the bill this summer, but another expensive transfer window is on the cards, during which the recruitment has to be right.

That will be problematic given the likelihood of no Champion’s League football next season. And the ongoing saga regarding the manager needs to be resolved as soon as this season draws to a conclusion.

More gloomy days ahead I’m afraid.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Liverbirdie said:
Why only the premiership for all the comparisons?

Because we are discussing RA and the PL!

You've jumped around quite a bit on this subject when doing comparisons, so unless your just using eras to suit your argument????

Nobody but you has jumped around, conversation was only about RA.


RA woke other clubs up? What did they need waking up from, exactly? If waking clubs up seen clubs overspend/overreach like Leeds, Pompey who both nearly go bust. Derby at the moment. Its one of the reasons that greed/money/finance/owners/sponsorship deals/kit deals/shirt sales/transfer fees are the big talking points now, and less so the football itself.
The PL was absolutely dominated by Utd and RA broke that up, to compete other teams needed to step up.
LPool were the biggest spenders in 8 of the first 10 years of PL and yous won nowt!

I think Arsenal fans will have something to say about that. Remember them invincible blokes? You may be right, we've always been a big spender and man u had the class of 92.

Utd won it 8 times, Arsenal 3 times, Yes Arsenal had a great side, but that doesn’t take away the fact Utd dominated that period.

Leeds was pre RA, Pompey had a crook in charge and Derby are irrelevant to the discussion. Shall we mention Bury and blame RA for everything!

I dont blame RA for everything, but greed in football has gone up massively in the last 20+ years. The formation of the premier league, Bosman Ruling were the biggest factors but RA, Man City's owners are the next big names in line with the way football has gone. Donut partners FFP (would prefer to use an S).

When RA took over Chelsea the PL had 1 foreign owner at Fulham and the other 19 were owned by Englishman, now all 20 are Foreign owned (some no longer PL) that was RA’s fault that the English took the money?

Once the worlds best started coming to the PL the PL took off and every Club benefitted from TV money

The more money that has gone into football as seen it lose its soul even more.
Totally agree, but that horse has bolted and whining on about the “good old days” is a waste of time.

20 is plenty, price increases binned after fan revolts, fan revolts about the ESL, spirit of Shankly members on the board.......you give up on it if you want, I'll carry on fighting for the match-goers thanks as sometimes we win. Maybe if sky do an online poll the telly clappers can wade in, as a sort of territorial army.

Small fry revolts by a few fans once the media has made the issues public and still time and time again owners mess up! Please, the owners will do what they think is best and only back track after they’ve been caught with their pants down? How many apologies have FSG made now? Surely 1 was 1 too many, I can think of at least 4.

Don't give me that debt-free rubbish. A 1.5 billion blank cheque was written.
Still debt free, whether we like it or not.

Or if you chose to ignore it

I don’t get a say in it.

We should be thankful for him - My God, that has got to be some of the worse drivel I've ever read on here.
Read the post, that is not what I said

You seem to have the most mis-understood posts on here by a country mile.

Not misunderstood at all, I used the word “maybe” I didn’t say we should be thankful, you’ve chosen to misread and misquote me!

Its less a sport and now a billionaire/state sponsored willy waving contest.
And your Club is one of the worst, if it bothers you that much, walk away.

Are we owned by a state for sports washing reasons, are we a billionaires play thing who gives us free untold capital, no. We spend what we earn and have a great manager.
Your Club takes money from the Chinese Government, as it’s not as much as City does it mean it’s OK? You were moaning about what they spent in another post

if you want a good example, look at where man u and Arsenal were as clubs with a great manager. Granted, man u have spent tonnes of money and are still struggling, but a great manager, untold wealth and 300 million benches take it away from most others. If City win the next 5 leagues and have won 9 out of 10, tell me were all sooooo much better off for it, as a sport.
We now talk about the Sly Six, was the top 4 etc, prior to RA it was about 1 Club, most people believe the PL is more competitive, we can’t turn the clock back, sadly it is a business. The rest is complete whataboutery

See above

 

[ColchesterFC]

Looking at the Man Utd starting line up today, how many of those would be a consideration for the match day squad for Man City or Liverpool, let alone actually getting in the starting 11? I would say that De Gea, Sancho and Fernandes would be good enough to get into the other squads, with Elanga looking like a good prospect for the future so also one to be considered. The Pogba that plays for France would also be good enough, but not the one that plays for Utd. If the entire Man Utd squad was available on a free transfer it's only those 5 I can see that would get close to being considered by Guardiola or Klopp.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Liverbirdie said:
Liverbirdie said:
Why only the premiership for all the comparisons?

Because we are discussing RA and the PL!

You've jumped around quite a bit on this subject when doing comparisons, so unless your just using eras to suit your argument????

Nobody but you has jumped around, conversation was only about RA.

No it wasnt - you yourself used the dig about us helping to set up the premier league - Everton were just as prevalent in that as well.


RA woke other clubs up? What did they need waking up from, exactly? If waking clubs up seen clubs overspend/overreach like Leeds, Pompey who both nearly go bust. Derby at the moment. Its one of the reasons that greed/money/finance/owners/sponsorship deals/kit deals/shirt sales/transfer fees are the big talking points now, and less so the football itself.
The PL was absolutely dominated by Utd and RA broke that up, to compete other teams needed to step up.
LPool were the biggest spenders in 8 of the first 10 years of PL and yous won nowt!

I think Arsenal fans will have something to say about that. Remember them invincible blokes? You may be right, we've always been a big spender and man u had the class of 92.

Utd won it 8 times, Arsenal 3 times, Yes Arsenal had a great side, but that doesn’t take away the fact Utd dominated that period.

You used the phrase absolutely dominated - in an 8 year period they only won half the leagues at their height, city if they win it this year will be at 80%!!!!!

Leeds was pre RA, Pompey had a crook in charge and Derby are irrelevant to the discussion. Shall we mention Bury and blame RA for everything!

I dont blame RA for everything, but greed in football has gone up massively in the last 20+ years. The formation of the premier league, Bosman Ruling were the biggest factors but RA, Man City's owners are the next big names in line with the way football has gone. Donut partners FFP (would prefer to use an S).

When RA took over Chelsea the PL had 1 foreign owner at Fulham and the other 19 were owned by Englishman, now all 20 are Foreign owned (some no longer PL) that was RA’s fault that the English took the money?

I never said it was.

Once the worlds best started coming to the PL the PL took off and every Club benefitted from TV money

The more money that has gone into football as seen it lose its soul even more.
Totally agree, but that horse has bolted and whining on about the “good old days” is a waste of time.

20 is plenty, price increases binned after fan revolts, fan revolts about the ESL, spirit of Shankly members on the board.......you give up on it if you want, I'll carry on fighting for the match-goers thanks as sometimes we win. Maybe if sky do an online poll the telly clappers can wade in, as a sort of territorial army.

Small fry revolts by a few fans once the media has made the issues public and still time and time again owners mess up! Please, the owners will do what they think is best and only back track after they’ve been caught with their pants down? How many apologies have FSG made now? Surely 1 was 1 too many, I can think of at least 4.

Well you show a lack of brotherly love to your fellow "fans", if you want, I'd rather praise them for showing some fight, myself.

Don't give me that debt-free rubbish. A 1.5 billion blank cheque was written.
Still debt free, whether we like it or not.

Or if you chose to ignore it

I don’t get a say in it.

We should be thankful for him - My God, that has got to be some of the worse drivel I've ever read on here.
Read the post, that is not what I said

You seem to have the most mis-understood posts on here by a country mile.

Not misunderstood at all, I used the word “maybe” I didn’t say we should be thankful, you’ve chosen to misread and misquote me!

Is that an argument reversing alarm I can hear?

Its less a sport and now a billionaire/state sponsored willy waving contest.
And your Club is one of the worst, if it bothers you that much, walk away.

Are we owned by a state for sports washing reasons, are we a billionaires play thing who gives us free untold capital, no. We spend what we earn and have a great manager.
Your Club takes money from the Chinese Government, as it’s not as much as City does it mean it’s OK? You were moaning about what they spent in another post

Has it, and how has that manifested itself? One word - Usmanov.

if you want a good example, look at where man u and Arsenal were as clubs with a great manager. Granted, man u have spent tonnes of money and are still struggling, but a great manager, untold wealth and 300 million benches take it away from most others. If City win the next 5 leagues and have won 9 out of 10, tell me were all sooooo much better off for it, as a sport.
We now talk about the Sly Six, was the top 4 etc, prior to RA it was about 1 Club, most people believe the PL is more competitive, we can’t turn the clock back, sadly it is a business. The rest is complete whataboutery

It was never 1 club, but we may be approaching one club domination. Don't you remember it was the big 5 for 2-3 decades? In that time many other clubs won the league and cups, surely football was better off as a sport then, but you say it's harking back to so-called better days - the reason why - IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!
See above

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Liverbirdie said:
Liverbirdie said:
Why only the premiership for all the comparisons?

Because we are discussing RA and the PL!

You've jumped around quite a bit on this subject when doing comparisons, so unless your just using eras to suit your argument????

Nobody but you has jumped around, conversation was only about RA.

No it wasnt - you yourself used the dig about us helping to set up the premier league - Everton were just as prevalent in that as well.

Garbage, show me were I had a dig at yous, I’m fully aware of the role we played.


RA woke other clubs up? What did they need waking up from, exactly? If waking clubs up seen clubs overspend/overreach like Leeds, Pompey who both nearly go bust. Derby at the moment. Its one of the reasons that greed/money/finance/owners/sponsorship deals/kit deals/shirt sales/transfer fees are the big talking points now, and less so the football itself.
The PL was absolutely dominated by Utd and RA broke that up, to compete other teams needed to step up.
LPool were the biggest spenders in 8 of the first 10 years of PL and yous won nowt!

I think Arsenal fans will have something to say about that. Remember them invincible blokes? You may be right, we've always been a big spender and man u had the class of 92.

Utd won it 8 times, Arsenal 3 times, Yes Arsenal had a great side, but that doesn’t take away the fact Utd dominated that period.

You used the phrase absolutely dominated - in an 8 year period they only won half the leagues at their height, city if they win it this year will be at 80%!!!!!

Again you are moving the goal posts, the PL was in existence for 12 years before RA took over, not 8, stick to facts.

Leeds was pre RA, Pompey had a crook in charge and Derby are irrelevant to the discussion. Shall we mention Bury and blame RA for everything!

I dont blame RA for everything, but greed in football has gone up massively in the last 20+ years. The formation of the premier league, Bosman Ruling were the biggest factors but RA, Man City's owners are the next big names in line with the way football has gone. Donut partners FFP (would prefer to use an S).

When RA took over Chelsea the PL had 1 foreign owner at Fulham and the other 19 were owned by Englishman, now all 20 are Foreign owned (some no longer PL) that was RA’s fault that the English took the money?

I never said it was.

so why mention other Clubs going bust?

Once the worlds best started coming to the PL the PL took off and every Club benefitted from TV money

The more money that has gone into football as seen it lose its soul even more.
Totally agree, but that horse has bolted and whining on about the “good old days” is a waste of time.

20 is plenty, price increases binned after fan revolts, fan revolts about the ESL, spirit of Shankly members on the board.......you give up on it if you want, I'll carry on fighting for the match-goers thanks as sometimes we win. Maybe if sky do an online poll the telly clappers can wade in, as a sort of territorial army.

Small fry revolts by a few fans once the media has made the issues public and still time and time again owners mess up! Please, the owners will do what they think is best and only back track after they’ve been caught with their pants down? How many apologies have FSG made now? Surely 1 was 1 too many, I can think of at least 4.

Well you show a lack of brotherly love to your fellow "fans", if you want, I'd rather praise them for showing some fight, myself.

More mud slinging hoping some will stick.

Don't give me that debt-free rubbish. A 1.5 billion blank cheque was written.
Still debt free, whether we like it or not.

Or if you chose to ignore it

I don’t get a say in it.

We should be thankful for him - My God, that has got to be some of the worse drivel I've ever read on here.
Read the post, that is not what I said

You seem to have the most mis-understood posts on here by a country mile.

Not misunderstood at all, I used the word “maybe” I didn’t say we should be thankful, you’ve chosen to misread and misquote me!

Is that an argument reversing alarm I can hear?

Only from you as the proof of what I posted is on here for all to see. I stated “Maybe”……Fact!

Its less a sport and now a billionaire/state sponsored willy waving contest.
And your Club is one of the worst, if it bothers you that much, walk away.

Are we owned by a state for sports washing reasons, are we a billionaires play thing who gives us free untold capital, no. We spend what we earn and have a great manager.
Your Club takes money from the Chinese Government, as it’s not as much as City does it mean it’s OK? You were moaning about what they spent in another post

Has it, and how has that manifested itself? One word - Usmanov.

So ignore the point and throw a dead cat on the table. We are a sh1t show and have no one to blame but ourselves, badly managed embarrassment, not blaming anyone else, fully responsible for were we are now!

if you want a good example, look at where man u and Arsenal were as clubs with a great manager. Granted, man u have spent tonnes of money and are still struggling, but a great manager, untold wealth and 300 million benches take it away from most others. If City win the next 5 leagues and have won 9 out of 10, tell me were all sooooo much better off for it, as a sport.
We now talk about the Sly Six, was the top 4 etc, prior to RA it was about 1 Club, most people believe the PL is more competitive, we can’t turn the clock back, sadly it is a business. The rest is complete whataboutery

It was never 1 club, but we may be approaching one club domination. Don't you remember it was the big 5 for 2-3 decades? In that time many other clubs won the league and cups, surely football was better off as a sport then, but you say it's harking back to so-called better days - the reason why - IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!
See above You continually sound like a broken record like an old Dad! Those days are gone, we aren’t returning to them, the 80’s were the best period for me. The current period will be the best period for those who know no different now. I wholeheartadly agree the game I grew up with has gone, gone forever, just like the world has changed and we move forward, feel free to live in the past, just don’t expect others to stay there with you.

 

[Bdill93]

Great performance from Villa at the weekend. 4-0 against a team that were bang in form is exactly what we like to see! Both strikers on the score sheet - and both Brazilians!

Coutinho may very well be the best footballer to ever wear a Villa shirt. The techincal ability is absolutely on another level. How he scored from where he did, I do not know! The weight of pass and vision too.

Just hope he signs on the dotted line this summer.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There was a 750 million dollar pot that they got this year, and although Liverpool is only one of the big two flagships clubs, that money has been earned in part because of us being in the FSG stable.

That wasn’t money “earned” by the club , and certainly not money that can be put onto the accounts to the be used for the club

That was from selling a percentage of their company - and they then used that money to purchase another team to add to the portfolio.

Did people expect that to be used for player purchases ? They may well have used some of the money to help build up the stand but it wasn’t investment into the football club from Redbird and I don’t know why people think it was.

 

[Bdill93]

Manchester Derby was a great watch for the neutral fan.

Its funny to me that I used to hear a lot of moaning about McTominay and Fred under Ole and yet the new manager just plays the same guys too?

False 9 only works when your team gives 100% effort, something United struggle with.

City are an absolute force, so dominant and gave United a footballing lesson.

United fans must be in dispair, that team is miles away from being close to Liverpool and City.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Manchester Derby was a great watch for the neutral fan.

Its funny to me that I used to hear a lot of moaning about McTominay and Fred under Ole and yet the new manager just plays the same guys too?

False 9 only works when your team gives 100% effort, something United struggle with.

City are an absolute force, so dominant and gave United a footballing lesson.

United fans must be in dispair, that team is miles away from being close to Liverpool and City.

Lots of people saying City were really good in the second half in particular. In some cases there best performance this season. Not sure I'd go with that and think Keane had it spot on when he said there were some that looked to have given up and weren't chasing back at all. That made it look easier than maybe it was watching at home. I think any new manager is on a hiding to nothing. Fans will expect a quick return to top 4 and headline signings but there is so much dead wood to be got rid off, the atmosphere and toxicity (according to reports) in the changing room and rebuilding. Will the next manager get time. This could be a 2-3 season job and there is a danger of no European football of any description in that time. Not sure how the fans and powers inside OT would react to that for the next few years but you can't keep the managerial door revolving all the time

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Lots of people saying City were really good in the second half in particular. In some cases there best performance this season. Not sure I'd go with that and think Keane had it spot on when he said there were some that looked to have given up and weren't chasing back at all. That made it look easier than maybe it was watching at home. I think any new manager is on a hiding to nothing. Fans will expect a quick return to top 4 and headline signings but there is so much dead wood to be got rid off, the atmosphere and toxicity (according to reports) in the changing room and rebuilding. Will the next manager get time. This could be a 2-3 season job and there is a danger of no European football of any description in that time. Not sure how the fans and powers inside OT would react to that for the next few years but you can't keep the managerial door revolving all the time

Some of the ManU players had given up. But, they had given up because City were so good. Chasing the game as much as ManU did. Eventually you either get exhausted or so demoralised it’s hard to muster up the effort.

They knew they were well beaten and folded. It was brilliant so see.

 

[Bdill93]

Lots of people saying City were really good in the second half in particular. In some cases there best performance this season. Not sure I'd go with that and think Keane had it spot on when he said there were some that looked to have given up and weren't chasing back at all. That made it look easier than maybe it was watching at home. I think any new manager is on a hiding to nothing. Fans will expect a quick return to top 4 and headline signings but there is so much dead wood to be got rid off, the atmosphere and toxicity (according to reports) in the changing room and rebuilding. Will the next manager get time. This could be a 2-3 season job and there is a danger of no European football of any description in that time. Not sure how the fans and powers inside OT would react to that for the next few years but you can't keep the managerial door revolving all the time

Totally agree. Theres no more than 2/3 players from their starting line up yesterday that should be anywhere near a Manchested United First team.

Whole thing is rotten, they can thank Woodward for that.

Get a proper sporting director, one whos signings have actual vision, then build from there.

 

[Tashyboy]

Having watched the game Utd for the first 25 mins were very good and pressured well. But there was no way they could do that for 90 minutes. After 25 minutes was the first time I saw Utd dropping back. The second half was as good as I have seen City for a few years. The tempo was excellent.
The aftergame comments were fantastic to listen to. Keane is wounded, But Gary Neville. Am not sure what planet he is on. He is suggesting Wreck it Ralph is doing some kind of consultancy to give a report at the end of the season. Eh. There’s 75,000 At old Trafford could tell you what is wrong at OT for nowt. Tough times ahead I think at OT.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Totally agree. Theres no more than 2/3 players from their starting line up yesterday that should be anywhere near a Manchested United First team.

Whole thing is rotten, they can thank Woodward for that.

Get a proper sporting director, one whos signings have actual vision, then build from there.

Nah, let them continue to rot.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Great performance from Villa at the weekend. 4-0 against a team that were bang in form is exactly what we like to see! Both strikers on the score sheet - and both Brazilians!

Coutinho may very well be the best footballer to ever wear a Villa shirt. The techincal ability is absolutely on another level. How he scored from where he did, I do not know! The weight of pass and vision too.

Just hope he signs on the dotted line this summer.

He could've had a hatrick from what i seen on MOTD.

He's a cracking footballer, so clever with the ball.

 

[Tashyboy]

Totally agree. Theres no more than 2/3 players from their starting line up yesterday that should be anywhere near a Manchested United First team.

Whole thing is rotten, they can thank Woodward for that.

Get a proper sporting director, one whos signings have actual vision, then build from there.

Personally I think the next manager will buy but has to bring on players. Am not Ute what Utds style of play is now. That needs addressing.