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Liverpoolphil said:
The club is worth that because of the progress that’s been made since they bought the club - Investment into a club can be more than just financially, they have put in place the right people in the right roles , either in the transfers or coaching and financial team. The club is worlds away from when they bought us - 16th in the league , just knocked out of the League Cup by Northampton- a team full of players like Koncheskey.

They have helped move the club forward on and off the pitch and if they do sell the club ( which I don’t see happening ) and get a profit then that’s a sign of the improvements of the club that were made under their ownership.

FSG haven’t been perfect , made some errors - furlough , ticket prices and super league to name a few but they have shown they want the club to be a success - with the Prem not ever following the 50+1 model they have in Germany then I’m not sure what owners in the Prem I would swap for
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I’m not criticising FSG, I wish our idiots would learn from them. But I have read Lpool fans questioning some of their behaviour.

Sadly we’ll never have 1 way of doing things in the PL as you could never level all the Clubs to have the same start, plus I don’t think it should be anyway.
 
Foxholer said:
To me, it's the difference between running the football club as a business - which is what most PL teams are - and using/running it more like a toy/hobby - which is how Chelsea and Man City are.
Kroenke (Arsenal), Lewis/Levy (Tottenham), Glazers (Man U) and Fenway(Liverpool) are all involved in running sports related businesses in US. The owners of Chelsea and Man City are in decidedly different circumstances - and their football clubs are run more as a hobby!
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I’d prefer the Chelsea/City way to Arsenal/Spurs or Utd tbh.
Fans want to see success not spreadsheets.
 
Foxholer said:
Blackburn Rovers (from 1990 to present day), who, for me, started the 'hugely wealthy and ambitious owner' process, demonstrate the difference between good and bad owners - irrespective of their wealth!
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Jack Walker was born in Blackburn employed around 3,500 before he sold out to British Steel. He invested in BRFC slightly before 1990 to help the building of a stand and contribute towards the wages of Steve Archibald and Ossis Ardiles. When walker died and it was passed on to The Walker family trust all they wanted was to get out and sell. Obviously they backed the wrong horse with Venky’s but during the last few years they have invested/supported the Club in difficult times.
 
pauldj42 said:
I’d prefer the Chelsea/City way to Arsenal/Spurs or Utd tbh.
Fans want to see success not spreadsheets.
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I think that's view of the majority of fans. But (clubs as toys aside) that's not one that promotes longevity. Just remember what happened to Blackburn!
 
3offTheTee said:
Are Liverpool still owed around 20 million for Coutinho? I was told that figure recently
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All the money for Coutinho is now paid up

pauldj42 said:
I’m not criticising FSG, I wish our idiots would learn from them. But I have read Lpool fans questioning some of their behaviour.

Sadly we’ll never have 1 way of doing things in the PL as you could never level all the Clubs to have the same start, plus I don’t think it should be anyway.
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There are two types that “question” them - the ones that weren’t happy and rightly so with the ESL , Furlough etc - and the owners held their hands up and admitted they were wrong and hopefully they learn from it

And the other type that look at other clubs spending money from owners pocket or loans etc and ask why are owners don’t do the same - they point to clubs like Brighton etc having bigger net spend and for those fans the transfer window and net spend are two biggest negatives it seems against FSG. Some fans have zero trust in the recruitment and just want to see money spent thinking that’s going to see the club “dominate”
 
3offTheTee said:
Jack Walker was born in Blackburn employed around 3,500 before he sold out to British Steel. He invested in BRFC slightly before 1990 to help the building of a stand and contribute towards the wages of Steve Archibald and Ossis Ardiles. When walker died and it was passed on to The Walker family trust all they wanted was to get out and sell. Obviously they backed the wrong horse with Venky’s but during the last few years they have invested/supported the Club in difficult times.
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Indeed...Jack Walker - good; Venkys - horrendous!
 
Foxholer said:
A fairly typical (success NOW) attitude of fans.
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Rubbish, no one said success now, Newcastle fans know it won’t come overnight, but they want to see progression, Utd fans have seen regression, I wonder what they’d prefer.

All want a team they can be proud of, on and off the field.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
i know I’ll regret this but if it’s unrealistic how come Liverpool managed to win the league and CL doing it and challenging again this season ?
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Becuase you've had a good run in the transfer market where the majority of your buys have done well. A bit like saints having a 3 year stint where they mixed with best of rest.

You have a higher base level so may sustain it a bit. But if mane and Salah refuse new deals. That's 2 big transfer fees missed out on. So if you (Liverpool) continue to self suatain. That's a lot of goals to replace very cheaply ...
 
Papas1982 said:
Becuase you've had a good run in the transfer market where the majority of your buys have done well. A bit like saints having a 3 year stint where they mixed with best of rest.

You have a higher base level so may sustain it a bit. But if mane and Salah refuse new deals. That's 2 big transfer fees missed out on. So if you (Liverpool) continue to self suatain. That's a lot of goals to replace very cheaply ...
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The majority of buys have done well because the right players have been recruited by the club and I see no reason for that to stop

I’m pretty confident that they have plans in place if Mané and Mo move on - and recent purchases of Jota and Diaz show they are looking to the future
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The majority of buys have done well because the right players have been recruited by the club and I see no reason for that to stop

I’m pretty confident that they have plans in place if Mané and Mo move on - and recent purchases of Jota and Diaz show they are looking to the future
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of course they will have plans. But every transfer has a risk. No matter how proven the track record is. We had fonte, anderwield, vvd, finding a fourth was one step too far.
obv We shop a level or two down, but that will just make your mistakes more significant. I’m pretty sure Liverpool would rather have the £50m in their account that Keita,.

now as long as 80% of transfers work out, it’s ok. But nobodies record stays that successful long term.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
All the money for Coutinho is now paid up



There are two types that “question” them - the ones that weren’t happy and rightly so with the ESL , Furlough etc - and the owners held their hands up and admitted they were wrong and hopefully they learn from it

And the other type that look at other clubs spending money from owners pocket or loans etc and ask why are owners don’t do the same - they point to clubs like Brighton etc having bigger net spend and for those fans the transfer window and net spend are two biggest negatives it seems against FSG. Some fans have zero trust in the recruitment and just want to see money spent thinking that’s going to see the club “dominate”
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Only two types - and what do you base this on?

Maybe there are a 3rd. Its hard to criticise jurgen as he has crafted, possibly, our best ever 20+ player squad, or at least when all fit. I'm also in favour of us building up our infrastructure and more importantly our ground, as it is long overdue. This they deserve credit for. They deserve criticism for the furlough, price increases attempted and the ESL. However, they also could and should have given the manager more money at times in the last 2-3 years. Its fortunate we have the best manager in the prem.
 
pauldj42 said:
Isn’t that the point though mate? Pre RA the PL was won 8 times by Utd, 3 by Arsenal and Blackburn, RA’s approach woke other Clubs up and now more teams are in with a shout.

As for spends etc, absolutely agree the Lpool approach would be ideal for everyone, but that’s today’s position and if you choose to ignore the previous 15-20yrs and we’ll never have a level starting point to get there.

Utd did spend a bit, not Chelsea or City standard, but certainly a lot relative to the period, Blomquist, Stam, O’Shea, Yorke plus others in 1 season, Carroll, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Verón, Laurent Blanc and Diego Forlán in one other etc.

If any Club should get stick for spends and how they are run, it is Utd, just look at the debt their owners have caused, where as Chelsea have been debt free since 2008.

So to pick RA out and lay all the issues of the PL on him is unfair as previously said, the PL issues started before him and were made worse after him.

Look at the were the majority of Clubs get their money from and why? Maybe they should be thanking RA for spending the way he did as I believe every PL Club has benefitted from the knock on effect.
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Why only the premiership for all the comparisons?

RA woke other clubs up? What did they need waking up from, exactly? If waking clubs up seen clubs overspend/overreach like Leeds, Pompey who both nearly go bust. Derby at the moment. Its one of the reasons that greed/money/finance/owners/sponsorship deals/kit deals/shirt sales/transfer fees are the big talking points now, and less so the football itself.

The more money that has gone into football as seen it lose its soul even more.

Don't give me that debt-free rubbish. A 1.5 billion blank cheque was written.

We should be thankful for him - My God, that has got to be some of the worse drivel I've ever read on here.

Its less a sport and now a billionaire/state sponsored willy waving contest.
 
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