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joking aside, Boreham are doin more than ok in there league. Could well be promoted to div 3.That said I will be interested to see there fitness levels 2 nd half.
They are a full time team so no plumbers or posties just coming off a shift (does every non league / part time team have to have a postie in the side incidentally?) Fitness levels should be okay. It's probably more about keeping mentally sharp second half.
 
Talking to one of the lads in the fuddle today.He is a Geordie. I mentioned about him supporting Newcastle and he said “ I support West Ham”. I asked “ how did that happen”. He said “ me auntie fancied Mervin Day so I started following them”. ?
 
Tash we come from a generation that we support our team from when we were kids, I was taken to White Heart Lane by my older brother that’s when I first saw Jimmy Greaves, it does get in your blood.

I no longer have the love for football I used to have for various reasons but I will always watch Spurs and support them.

Unless……
I fully understand we as fans want our teams to be successful and win things but if my own club was owned and financed by people I strongly disagree with I think that would be the last straw for me and I couldn’t follow them anymore.

We all have choices to make.

I know you are a old school genuine fan but gave up your season ticket recently which is a shame as I know your a family man and loved taking your grandson to games. ?

In all honesty,The passion I have for the game is not quite the same as it was . I am able to see football now I never thought I would see in a City shirt. Some of the players I have seen. Well they have made dreams come true. Most folk talk about the Arabs that own City. It only scratches the surface. They own 76% of the club. The other 24% is Chinese state company owned and a American company. It don’t get any worse. Chuck in the previous owner Thaksin Shinawatra. None of it makes good reading. I still go occasionally, twice this year. Once to take Bradley and son for a night time Champs cup game and the Fulham game with me 85 yr old dad. But there’s something that’s not quite there for me at the moment. VAR killing the atmosphere at games is the top reason why.
 
In all honesty,The passion I have for the game is not quite the same as it was . I am able to see football now I never thought I would see in a City shirt. Some of the players I have seen. Well they have made dreams come true. Most folk talk about the Arabs that own City. It only scratches the surface. They own 76% of the club. The other 24% is Chinese state company owned and a American company. It don’t get any worse. Chuck in the previous owner Thaksin Shinawatra. None of it makes good reading. I still go occasionally, twice this year. Once to take Bradley and son for a night time Champs cup game and the Fulham game with me 85 yr old dad. But there’s something that’s not quite there for me at the moment. VAR killing the atmosphere at games is the top reason why.

Is it the expectation or knowing that you’re almost certainly going to win the game before you’ve even left your house? Being too good for 90% of teams isn’t competitive.

The use of the tech is the biggest downfall. When VAR is checking something the lack of communication and the unknown of what’s actually going on is frustrating.

At least the telly clappers are updated and kept entertained though ??
 
Tash we come from a generation that we support our team from when we were kids, I was taken to White Heart Lane by my older brother that’s when I first saw Jimmy Greaves, it does get in your blood.

I no longer have the love for football I used to have for various reasons but I will always watch Spurs and support them.

Unless……
I fully understand we as fans want our teams to be successful and win things but if my own club was owned and financed by people I strongly disagree with I think that would be the last straw for me and I couldn’t follow them anymore.

We all have choices to make.

I know you are a old school genuine fan but gave up your season ticket recently which is a shame as I know your a family man and loved taking your grandson to games. ?

Your story of when you started supporting Spurs is similar to mine and Chelsea.

My uncle took me to my first ever Chelsea game during the 1978/79 season, aged 5. Old First Division. I can honestly still remember snippets of that experience - the wooden seats in the old West Stand and the clicking noise the seats made when everyone stood up, the vivid blue of the Chelsea kit - but also the noise both sets of fans made that day, unlike anything I'd heard to that point. Apparently I was hooked that day and my uncle took me to most home matches.

Now when I say he took me to 'most' what I obviously wasn't aware of was the 'H' word that was surrounding English football at that time, with Chelsea home to some of the worst hooligans around. As I got older, reaching early teens, I then started going either on my own, or with friends. I then became fully aware of the dregs of society that went to Chelsea in those days - the far right, neo-nazi dickheads who loved nothing more than a good punch up.................and hurling racist abuse at not only visiting black players, but our own! :cry:

But despite that, I LOVED going to Chelsea. Win, lose or draw - it was mostly lose during the 80s :ROFLMAO: - new heroes replaced old. But because of the edginess and nastiness, I watched most of the game behind the infamous electric fence - the old 'if they behave like animals I'll treat them like animals' approach from Ken Bates.

The 80s then gave way to the 90s and things - slowly - started to improve. Following the tragedies at Bradford and Hillsborough, like all grounds the transformation at the Bridge was rapid with facilities and spectator experiences greatly improved. Investment improved the quality on the pitch too, and slowly we started to have success.

So the fortunes of Chelsea as a club (on the pitch) coincides with the break-up of the old Soviet Union. Those of us old enough remember the tearing down of the Berlin wall and the Iron Curtain, with new countries emerging from the yolk of Russian control. But what of Russia itself? Absolute meltdown! I still remember media reports describing it as 'The Wild West on steroids'!! Of course all actively encouraged by the West, eager to exploit this new Russia.

And we have corruption at the highest levels of Russian Government, the emergence of organised crime, and of course the Russian Oligarch - all vying to get control of Russia's vast natural resources, industries and subsequent wealth. And this is where Roman Abramovich takes advantage of the opportunities on offer to make his fortune, ensuring he has all the right political connections..........just as things take a turn for the worse at Chelsea!!

It is well known that, despite the odd success, Chelsea are in trouble - huge debts and are literally on the brink, days away from defaulting on a £75m loan. Enter Roman Abramovic.

If anyone is still with me, here's where I hope I answer Rlburnside's point - from my perspective of course - "we all have choices to make".

So euphoria amongst Chelsea fans, including me. "Who is this fella?"; "He's Russian?" [actually his ancestry is Lithuanian and Belorussian]; "He's Jewish? Why didn't he buy Spurs? Oh he tried and they turned him down? Classic #Spursy"; "He's got HOW much money? Christ, must be dodgy; but aren't they all"!!!

Which then leads to "We're signing who? For how much"; "This Mourinho fella has some balls"; and ultimately "We're champions"!

Apologies that this is so lengthy and I'm sure there are a number who are bored reading this as much as I am typing it, but I am now getting to the crux as to why I will NEVER have a bad word to say about Roman Abramovich, despite how he may have made his wealth.

Everyone knows about the success on the pitch, BUT there's loads off it that Abramovic has encouraged with his wealth and influence in the name of Chelsea, such as:

- countless initiatives in the immediate and wider community to support the fight against anti-semitism, racism and homaphobia;

- going into schools, especially those with a lot of deprived kids, encouraging education;

- supporting environmental causes both in the UK and abroad;

- supporting NHS workers during the pandemic, opening up both hotels at Chelsea and their facilities for the staff at the local hospitals.

So for me it's simple. Roman Abramovic saved my club, and when I compare the Chelsea of when I was a lad, teenager and young adult, to the Chelsea since 2003 and what it has achieved/is trying to achieve both on and off the pitch, I'll take since 2003 thanks each and every time. His legacy to me is also about what he has encouraged off the pitch as well as what he's provided for on it.

I love going to Chelsea with my boys. I tell them about the good and bad days pre-Abramovic; we've experienced the good and bad days with Abramovic; we'll experience together the good and bad days post-Abramovic.
 
Your story of when you started supporting Spurs is similar to mine and Chelsea.

My uncle took me to my first ever Chelsea game during the 1978/79 season, aged 5. Old First Division. I can honestly still remember snippets of that experience - the wooden seats in the old West Stand and the clicking noise the seats made when everyone stood up, the vivid blue of the Chelsea kit - but also the noise both sets of fans made that day, unlike anything I'd heard to that point. Apparently I was hooked that day and my uncle took me to most home matches.

Now when I say he took me to 'most' what I obviously wasn't aware of was the 'H' word that was surrounding English football at that time, with Chelsea home to some of the worst hooligans around. As I got older, reaching early teens, I then started going either on my own, or with friends. I then became fully aware of the dregs of society that went to Chelsea in those days - the far right, neo-nazi dickheads who loved nothing more than a good punch up.................and hurling racist abuse at not only visiting black players, but our own! :cry:

But despite that, I LOVED going to Chelsea. Win, lose or draw - it was mostly lose during the 80s :ROFLMAO: - new heroes replaced old. But because of the edginess and nastiness, I watched most of the game behind the infamous electric fence - the old 'if they behave like animals I'll treat them like animals' approach from Ken Bates.

The 80s then gave way to the 90s and things - slowly - started to improve. Following the tragedies at Bradford and Hillsborough, like all grounds the transformation at the Bridge was rapid with facilities and spectator experiences greatly improved. Investment improved the quality on the pitch too, and slowly we started to have success.

So the fortunes of Chelsea as a club (on the pitch) coincides with the break-up of the old Soviet Union. Those of us old enough remember the tearing down of the Berlin wall and the Iron Curtain, with new countries emerging from the yolk of Russian control. But what of Russia itself? Absolute meltdown! I still remember media reports describing it as 'The Wild West on steroids'!! Of course all actively encouraged by the West, eager to exploit this new Russia.

And we have corruption at the highest levels of Russian Government, the emergence of organised crime, and of course the Russian Oligarch - all vying to get control of Russia's vast natural resources, industries and subsequent wealth. And this is where Roman Abramovich takes advantage of the opportunities on offer to make his fortune, ensuring he has all the right political connections..........just as things take a turn for the worse at Chelsea!!

It is well known that, despite the odd success, Chelsea are in trouble - huge debts and are literally on the brink, days away from defaulting on a £75m loan. Enter Roman Abramovic.

If anyone is still with me, here's where I hope I answer Rlburnside's point - from my perspective of course - "we all have choices to make".

So euphoria amongst Chelsea fans, including me. "Who is this fella?"; "He's Russian?" [actually his ancestry is Lithuanian and Belorussian]; "He's Jewish? Why didn't he buy Spurs? Oh he tried and they turned him down? Classic #Spursy"; "He's got HOW much money? Christ, must be dodgy; but aren't they all"!!!

Which then leads to "We're signing who? For how much"; "This Mourinho fella has some balls"; and ultimately "We're champions"!

Apologies that this is so lengthy and I'm sure there are a number who are bored reading this as much as I am typing it, but I am now getting to the crux as to why I will NEVER have a bad word to say about Roman Abramovich, despite how he may have made his wealth.

Everyone knows about the success on the pitch, BUT there's loads off it that Abramovic has encouraged with his wealth and influence in the name of Chelsea, such as:

- countless initiatives in the immediate and wider community to support the fight against anti-semitism, racism and homaphobia;

- going into schools, especially those with a lot of deprived kids, encouraging education;

- supporting environmental causes both in the UK and abroad;

- supporting NHS workers during the pandemic, opening up both hotels at Chelsea and their facilities for the staff at the local hospitals.

So for me it's simple. Roman Abramovic saved my club, and when I compare the Chelsea of when I was a lad, teenager and young adult, to the Chelsea since 2003 and what it has achieved/is trying to achieve both on and off the pitch, I'll take since 2003 thanks each and every time. His legacy to me is also about what he has encouraged off the pitch as well as what he's provided for on it.

I love going to Chelsea with my boys. I tell them about the good and bad days pre-Abramovic; we've experienced the good and bad days with Abramovic; we'll experience together the good and bad days post-Abramovic.

Yes that first experience of going to a match when you were a kid stays with you, there were some dark times years ago thankfully it’s a lot better now.

I distinctly remember the first time I went to Stamford Bridge as a young teenager and being swept along off my feet in the crush going into the turnstile’s, as a young lad the atmosphere was frightening and exiting at the same time.

Hearing the stupid irony of Spurs fans abusing Liam Brady for being Irish and worshiping Pat Jennings, getting beat 5-0 by Arsenal that day wasn’t good.

Anyway I can’t wish you well for your team but I hope your golf is good ?
 
Your story of when you started supporting Spurs is similar to mine and Chelsea.

My uncle took me to my first ever Chelsea game during the 1978/79 season, aged 5. Old First Division. I can honestly still remember snippets of that experience - the wooden seats in the old West Stand and the clicking noise the seats made when everyone stood up, the vivid blue of the Chelsea kit - but also the noise both sets of fans made that day, unlike anything I'd heard to that point. Apparently I was hooked that day and my uncle took me to most home matches.

Now when I say he took me to 'most' what I obviously wasn't aware of was the 'H' word that was surrounding English football at that time, with Chelsea home to some of the worst hooligans around. As I got older, reaching early teens, I then started going either on my own, or with friends. I then became fully aware of the dregs of society that went to Chelsea in those days - the far right, neo-nazi dickheads who loved nothing more than a good punch up.................and hurling racist abuse at not only visiting black players, but our own! :cry:

But despite that, I LOVED going to Chelsea. Win, lose or draw - it was mostly lose during the 80s :ROFLMAO: - new heroes replaced old. But because of the edginess and nastiness, I watched most of the game behind the infamous electric fence - the old 'if they behave like animals I'll treat them like animals' approach from Ken Bates.

The 80s then gave way to the 90s and things - slowly - started to improve. Following the tragedies at Bradford and Hillsborough, like all grounds the transformation at the Bridge was rapid with facilities and spectator experiences greatly improved. Investment improved the quality on the pitch too, and slowly we started to have success.

So the fortunes of Chelsea as a club (on the pitch) coincides with the break-up of the old Soviet Union. Those of us old enough remember the tearing down of the Berlin wall and the Iron Curtain, with new countries emerging from the yolk of Russian control. But what of Russia itself? Absolute meltdown! I still remember media reports describing it as 'The Wild West on steroids'!! Of course all actively encouraged by the West, eager to exploit this new Russia.

And we have corruption at the highest levels of Russian Government, the emergence of organised crime, and of course the Russian Oligarch - all vying to get control of Russia's vast natural resources, industries and subsequent wealth. And this is where Roman Abramovich takes advantage of the opportunities on offer to make his fortune, ensuring he has all the right political connections..........just as things take a turn for the worse at Chelsea!!

It is well known that, despite the odd success, Chelsea are in trouble - huge debts and are literally on the brink, days away from defaulting on a £75m loan. Enter Roman Abramovic.

If anyone is still with me, here's where I hope I answer Rlburnside's point - from my perspective of course - "we all have choices to make".

So euphoria amongst Chelsea fans, including me. "Who is this fella?"; "He's Russian?" [actually his ancestry is Lithuanian and Belorussian]; "He's Jewish? Why didn't he buy Spurs? Oh he tried and they turned him down? Classic #Spursy"; "He's got HOW much money? Christ, must be dodgy; but aren't they all"!!!

Which then leads to "We're signing who? For how much"; "This Mourinho fella has some balls"; and ultimately "We're champions"!

Apologies that this is so lengthy and I'm sure there are a number who are bored reading this as much as I am typing it, but I am now getting to the crux as to why I will NEVER have a bad word to say about Roman Abramovich, despite how he may have made his wealth.

Everyone knows about the success on the pitch, BUT there's loads off it that Abramovic has encouraged with his wealth and influence in the name of Chelsea, such as:

- countless initiatives in the immediate and wider community to support the fight against anti-semitism, racism and homaphobia;

- going into schools, especially those with a lot of deprived kids, encouraging education;

- supporting environmental causes both in the UK and abroad;

- supporting NHS workers during the pandemic, opening up both hotels at Chelsea and their facilities for the staff at the local hospitals.

So for me it's simple. Roman Abramovic saved my club, and when I compare the Chelsea of when I was a lad, teenager and young adult, to the Chelsea since 2003 and what it has achieved/is trying to achieve both on and off the pitch, I'll take since 2003 thanks each and every time. His legacy to me is also about what he has encouraged off the pitch as well as what he's provided for on it.

I love going to Chelsea with my boys. I tell them about the good and bad days pre-Abramovic; we've experienced the good and bad days with Abramovic; we'll experience together the good and bad days post-Abramovic.
Have you got this in a hard back version :)
 
Yes that first experience of going to a match when you were a kid stays with you, there were some dark times years ago thankfully it’s a lot better now.

I distinctly remember the first time I went to Stamford Bridge as a young teenager and being swept along off my feet in the crush going into the turnstile’s, as a young lad the atmosphere was frightening and exiting at the same time.

Hearing the stupid irony of Spurs fans abusing Liam Brady for being Irish and worshiping Pat Jennings, getting beat 5-0 by Arsenal that day wasn’t good.

Anyway I can’t wish you well for your team but I hope your golf is good ?

I was lucky(?!) that I use to see Wimbledon at Plough Lane in their old Southern League days and then their first season in the old division four and would go to Fulham the following week. In the end I had to make a decision and preferred the longer bus ride to Putney so chose Fulham. I can still remember Wimbledon's first league game and my first Fulham match clearly. It's like golf and once its in the blood you can't get rid of it
 
Your story of when you started supporting Spurs is similar to mine and Chelsea.

My uncle took me to my first ever Chelsea game during the 1978/79 season, aged 5. Old First Division. I can honestly still remember snippets of that experience - the wooden seats in the old West Stand and the clicking noise the seats made when everyone stood up, the vivid blue of the Chelsea kit - but also the noise both sets of fans made that day, unlike anything I'd heard to that point. Apparently I was hooked that day and my uncle took me to most home matches.

Now when I say he took me to 'most' what I obviously wasn't aware of was the 'H' word that was surrounding English football at that time, with Chelsea home to some of the worst hooligans around. As I got older, reaching early teens, I then started going either on my own, or with friends. I then became fully aware of the dregs of society that went to Chelsea in those days - the far right, neo-nazi dickheads who loved nothing more than a good punch up.................and hurling racist abuse at not only visiting black players, but our own! :cry:

But despite that, I LOVED going to Chelsea. Win, lose or draw - it was mostly lose during the 80s :ROFLMAO: - new heroes replaced old. But because of the edginess and nastiness, I watched most of the game behind the infamous electric fence - the old 'if they behave like animals I'll treat them like animals' approach from Ken Bates.

The 80s then gave way to the 90s and things - slowly - started to improve. Following the tragedies at Bradford and Hillsborough, like all grounds the transformation at the Bridge was rapid with facilities and spectator experiences greatly improved. Investment improved the quality on the pitch too, and slowly we started to have success.

So the fortunes of Chelsea as a club (on the pitch) coincides with the break-up of the old Soviet Union. Those of us old enough remember the tearing down of the Berlin wall and the Iron Curtain, with new countries emerging from the yolk of Russian control. But what of Russia itself? Absolute meltdown! I still remember media reports describing it as 'The Wild West on steroids'!! Of course all actively encouraged by the West, eager to exploit this new Russia.

And we have corruption at the highest levels of Russian Government, the emergence of organised crime, and of course the Russian Oligarch - all vying to get control of Russia's vast natural resources, industries and subsequent wealth. And this is where Roman Abramovich takes advantage of the opportunities on offer to make his fortune, ensuring he has all the right political connections..........just as things take a turn for the worse at Chelsea!!

It is well known that, despite the odd success, Chelsea are in trouble - huge debts and are literally on the brink, days away from defaulting on a £75m loan. Enter Roman Abramovic.

If anyone is still with me, here's where I hope I answer Rlburnside's point - from my perspective of course - "we all have choices to make".

So euphoria amongst Chelsea fans, including me. "Who is this fella?"; "He's Russian?" [actually his ancestry is Lithuanian and Belorussian]; "He's Jewish? Why didn't he buy Spurs? Oh he tried and they turned him down? Classic #Spursy"; "He's got HOW much money? Christ, must be dodgy; but aren't they all"!!!

Which then leads to "We're signing who? For how much"; "This Mourinho fella has some balls"; and ultimately "We're champions"!

Apologies that this is so lengthy and I'm sure there are a number who are bored reading this as much as I am typing it, but I am now getting to the crux as to why I will NEVER have a bad word to say about Roman Abramovich, despite how he may have made his wealth.

Everyone knows about the success on the pitch, BUT there's loads off it that Abramovic has encouraged with his wealth and influence in the name of Chelsea, such as:

- countless initiatives in the immediate and wider community to support the fight against anti-semitism, racism and homaphobia;

- going into schools, especially those with a lot of deprived kids, encouraging education;

- supporting environmental causes both in the UK and abroad;

- supporting NHS workers during the pandemic, opening up both hotels at Chelsea and their facilities for the staff at the local hospitals.

So for me it's simple. Roman Abramovic saved my club, and when I compare the Chelsea of when I was a lad, teenager and young adult, to the Chelsea since 2003 and what it has achieved/is trying to achieve both on and off the pitch, I'll take since 2003 thanks each and every time. His legacy to me is also about what he has encouraged off the pitch as well as what he's provided for on it.

I love going to Chelsea with my boys. I tell them about the good and bad days pre-Abramovic; we've experienced the good and bad days with Abramovic; we'll experience together the good and bad days post-Abramovic.

Great post.

I think RA's biggest legacy is how him and his roubles changed English football. I would never had believed 1 man could do that or the way he did.

We can argue whether it was good or bad but his extreme wealth changed English football from a Millionaires game to a Billionaires game. Blowing other teams out the water with excessive transfer fees and smashing wage structures.
 
First match was when my mum took me to see Forest in 1967. I already 'followed' them as the local team (Ok, Mansfield was a bit nearer but nobody followed Mansfield ...) T'was v Man Utd and we won 3-1. We had some good times over the next 15 years or so. Pains me to think our glory days are now 40 (did I just write 40 ??) years ago.
 
Great post.

I think RA's biggest legacy is how him and his roubles changed English football. I would never had believed 1 man could do that or the way he did.

We can argue whether it was good or bad but his extreme wealth changed English football from a Millionaires game to a Billionaires game. Blowing other teams out the water with excessive transfer fees and smashing wage structures.
I'll argue that it wasn't a change for the better. Vast sums of money have reduced us to a league of 5 (4 really as I dont suppose you should include Arsenal) who most of us don't care about.
And the rest of us more or less doomed to obscurity because as soon as we get any decent players, the chequebook gets waggled and they are filched away ...
 
When you get to the sums involved, all money is tainted. Even huge wealth accumulated entirely “legally” can be dubiously managed and criticised, see for example Amazon, which is entirely legitimate but not exactly fitting with the moral principals of taxation.

Football was always going to get swayed by money. If it wasn’t an Ambramovich it would have been a Bezos.

Nice read PieMan, never apologise for writing passionately it wasn’t that long. ?
 
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