pokerjoke
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Screamer lmao he was 7 yards out
pokerjoke
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How’s Bielsa still in his job
Shocking tactician
Shocking tactician
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Because the management aren’t making knee jerk reactions like other clubs ??
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Well said Chris Sutton
Swango1980
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Oh dear Michael Owen.
Owen just goes to prove again what an utter plank he is. Sutton is absolutely right, football still toys with this issue. I can't remember the game but last weekend there was a televised game where a player had a bad head injury, carried on, came off 5 minutes later all over the shop. He should never have been allowed to continue.
GB72
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It is ridiculous and it is not as if the blueprint is not there for exactly what they need to do. Idependent doctor in the stands with access to the live feed and the right to pull a player for an HIA. Player off for 10 minutes for an assessment, sub on for 10 minutes whilst this happens, proper return to play protocols afterwards to ensure recovery. Seen plenty of bad head contacts but cannot remember the last time I heard that a player was not avalable due to following proper return to play concussion protocols.
Can someone remind me if the concussion protocols are being driven by the PL or is it a new UEFA/FIFA instruction? It seems very hit and miss and Sutton has nailed it. I think it was a Leeds player at the weekend (stand to be corrected) that had a head injury and carried on for a while before coming off. It seems common sense as GB72 states not to simply put a player on straight away even if that means naming the normal number of subs and then a couple of HI subs who only play for head injuries. An independent doctor would be preferential but I assume if this is supposed to be filtered down through the EFL as well then cost becomes an issue
GB72
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If rugby clubs can afford it then at least a couple of leagues down should be able to. Clubs have shown that they are incapable of making the right call on players when there is a head injury and so it needs to be independent. The sub does not count as a substituion unless the injured player cannot return and then it is a permenant substituion and one of the 3 allowed.
fundy
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Was Robin Koch this week who split his head open and was concussed in an assault challenge by Mctominay. they then taped his head up Butcher style and he played on having been told to sit on the floor and put his hand up if he was struggling which he did 15ish minutes later! Even worse Leeds then didnt use the "concussion sub" rule because they didnt want to allow Man U another sub themselves 
there was another one the previous weekend too, not to mention the Mane one at the African Nations
Definitely time for the rules to be changed
there was another one the previous weekend too, not to mention the Mane one at the African Nations
Definitely time for the rules to be changed
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There needs to be some new head injury protocols. But there needs to be some very carefully considered rules. I don’t think just bringing on any sub is the right thing. It will get used tactically very quickly.
I agree clubs should be able to afford it but if you took a Derby or another club in financial peril would they really be able to deal with that additional cost and what about those at the lower ends of the EFL? I totally agree that the subs should be a simple job to manage and simple to implement
GB72
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Just becomes part of their compulsory spend. No doctor, no play, same as the money they spend on security, policing etc. Player safety is paramount.
Orikoru
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Kneejerk?? They've conceded more goals than anyone else and only won 5 games. They could be in serious trouble given that the three teams below them have games in hand. In many ways they've kind of seamlessly replaced Bournemouth.
Swango1980
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In defence of the clubs, and I'm no doctor when I say this, but it appears that the signs of concussion are not always immediately obvious to the physios that are on the pitch? Are the symptoms instant, or do they take a few minutes to come on? If they are instant, are they similar to general shock a player might be suffering after a bang on the head and therefore easily confused. I believe the Leeds doctors informed the player to sit down immediately on the pitch if they felt groggy, which is what happened, and then he was subbed.
So, I think what Sutton and others say makes absolute sense (and I very much dislike Sutton in most other senses). Enforce a temporary sub any time a player goes down due to a clash of heads, with the injured player not allowed to return for 10 minutes (or whatever an appropriate time is to make a suitable diagnosis). Hopefully by then, the club can be confident the health of the player, and I'd very much hope that even if it was only a club doctor assessing this, they would not send a player back on if they were feeling dizzy or groggy.
GB72
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That is why they have the assessment process. Impact to the head, doctor signals the ref (or the ref can call it) and the player is pulled for 10 minutes to have a full assessment. That takes any maybe out of the situation. You pass the assessment and you are back on after 10 minutes and the sub that replaced you comes off and it does not count as a subsitution. Assessment fails and you stay off and the sub stays on. Just seems safer that way. Also means not knee jerk medical decisions and gives time for a proper assessment. At the moment, players are losing consciousness, even briefly and playing on. In rugby a loss of consciousness means immediately subbed off, no need for an HIA you are sitting the rest of it out.
hairball_89
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Blimey, come on. He's been getting to the edge of the box and having pot shots. So I've been saying he's going to smash one in. Ergo a screamer.
No, he didn't do that yesterday. but it was a great goal, which as I said was a top class finish. Nice of you to request I spell it out though!
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That’s why you have every match has an independent doctor who makes the quick on field assessment and then if needed takes him away for longer HIA - works well in rugby
Orikoru
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They should start using VAR to help judge if a player has been knocked out or not. It's been sod all use for anything else so far, so they might as well do something positive with it.
GB72
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A good point, do not even need a doctor in the ground, just at the VAR centre
