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Yeah course he did lol

David Dein signed Bergkamp, not rocket science on whose advice

Spot on. Wenger was offered the job way before he took it. Rioch was a stopgap and all signings were made in proxy by Wenger with Dein doing the deals. Didn't work out too bad.
 
Man United need to get their stories straight

Ralf R says Lingard asked for a couple of days off to get his head right

Lingard tweets to say hes fine and the club told him to have time off.

Not the first time Ralf has just made stuff up to the media, all a bit weird if you ask me! You'd think "the biggest club in the world" could at least sing from the same hymn sheet
 
Man United need to get their stories straight

Ralf R says Lingard asked for a couple of days off to get his head right

Lingard tweets to say hes fine and the club told him to have time off.

Not the first time Ralf has just made stuff up to the media, all a bit weird if you ask me! You'd think "the biggest club in the world" could at least sing from the same hymn sheet
I'm not sure these claims or entirely contradictory, nor even that controversial. It just depends how both sides want to spin the discussion, particularly Lingard in front of his social media following.

I think everyone would agree that Lingard is upset behind the scenes. On the face of it, there have been plenty of opportunities to give him a good run out, especially as the players on the pitch have not exactly been great and the fact he did very well at West Ham. However, Ole, and now Ralf, have not fancied him at all. There must be some reason behind it. Maybe he is a bad trainer, or his attitude stinks?

However, it is easy to see how a conversation between club or player concluded some time off for him would be good. Maybe it was the clubs idea, even if they came to that idea based on how Jesse expressed his feelings and they felt it would be for the best. To Ralf, he simply explained that Jesse requested this time off, whether it was offered by the club or instigated by Jesse. Jesse has a social media profile to keep squeaky clean, so he has come out and said he is happy. Of course he is going to say that (in reality, he may be devastated he didn't get a move, but he is hardly going to tell his followers that now that he has to stay at the club for the rest of the season).

Either way, why would the default opinion be that Ralf is making stuff up? Even if there was a clear disagreement, is there not a possibility that Jesse is making stuff up?

I've felt this for a long time, but there is more and more evidence that there could be a stinking attitude amongst some groups of players within the club. Possibly happy to backstab staff, and maybe even fellow players. We've had Pogba running to his agent every time he felt he wasn't worshipped 100%. The likes of Martial and Rashford who have a face of thunder more often that not. The accusations against Greenwood, if true, make you wonder what he is like behind the scenes (with rumours that a lot of players have not liked him for a while). All of this is just guesswork on my part, as I've no idea what things are like behind the scenes or how any investigation will unfold. But, it could be that there is an awful culture within the dressing room, and some players are too far gone. Maybe Jesse is one of those players who causes problems within the team?
 
Watched Lampard's first press conference last night and it was a hugely refreshing to do so. I know he's got a lot to prove but he's totally won me over and I can honestly say this is the first time I've listened to a new manager and actually come away feeling like they can do us good. He struck a great balance of passion, criticism and honesty.

Obviously he's got to turn the ship around but for the first time I feel like there's someone in charge that's not steering us towards an iceberg.
 
I'm not sure these claims or entirely contradictory, nor even that controversial. It just depends how both sides want to spin the discussion, particularly Lingard in front of his social media following.

I think everyone would agree that Lingard is upset behind the scenes. On the face of it, there have been plenty of opportunities to give him a good run out, especially as the players on the pitch have not exactly been great and the fact he did very well at West Ham. However, Ole, and now Ralf, have not fancied him at all. There must be some reason behind it. Maybe he is a bad trainer, or his attitude stinks?

However, it is easy to see how a conversation between club or player concluded some time off for him would be good. Maybe it was the clubs idea, even if they came to that idea based on how Jesse expressed his feelings and they felt it would be for the best. To Ralf, he simply explained that Jesse requested this time off, whether it was offered by the club or instigated by Jesse. Jesse has a social media profile to keep squeaky clean, so he has come out and said he is happy. Of course he is going to say that (in reality, he may be devastated he didn't get a move, but he is hardly going to tell his followers that now that he has to stay at the club for the rest of the season).

Either way, why would the default opinion be that Ralf is making stuff up? Even if there was a clear disagreement, is there not a possibility that Jesse is making stuff up?

I've felt this for a long time, but there is more and more evidence that there could be a stinking attitude amongst some groups of players within the club. Possibly happy to backstab staff, and maybe even fellow players. We've had Pogba running to his agent every time he felt he wasn't worshipped 100%. The likes of Martial and Rashford who have a face of thunder more often that not. The accusations against Greenwood, if true, make you wonder what he is like behind the scenes (with rumours that a lot of players have not liked him for a while). All of this is just guesswork on my part, as I've no idea what things are like behind the scenes or how any investigation will unfold. But, it could be that there is an awful culture within the dressing room, and some players are too far gone. Maybe Jesse is one of those players who causes problems within the team?

Its just all messy isnt it. Liverpool and City just dont seem to have this same culture that you describe. Sounds like United is full of individuals and really not a connected unit that are buying in to a bigger picture. Needs a real overhaul.

Bit in bold - because its the second time he has said something in a media conference that has then been poo poo'd by a player. It seems to me that players just dont respect him enough as hes only there in the short term.

Reports when Lingard was at West Ham suggested he was a very polarising individual who lifted the mood of the players and was a really positive guy... Id understand that dropping somewhat when going back to united and then not getting game time, but he does seem to be a very fun personality.
 
Only 9 of this weekends 16 FA Cup matches will have VAR in use,
From the BBC:

“The cut-off is clear. It is in operation at Premier League grounds only.

Effectively, only Premier League clubs have licences due to the infrastructure, workforce and costs that are involved.

The match cost is £9,250, which is shared equally by the competing clubs from the gate receipts.”

Didn’t realise the costs would be shared.

Imo, it should be the same for all ties for all rounds in the competition.
 
Its just all messy isnt it. Liverpool and City just dont seem to have this same culture that you describe. Sounds like United is full of individuals and really not a connected unit that are buying in to a bigger picture. Needs a real overhaul.

Bit in bold - because its the second time he has said something in a media conference that has then been poo poo'd by a player. It seems to me that players just dont respect him enough as hes only there in the short term.

Reports when Lingard was at West Ham suggested he was a very polarising individual who lifted the mood of the players and was a really positive guy... Id understand that dropping somewhat when going back to united and then not getting game time, but he does seem to be a very fun personality.

Yes, but the first time was the player in question not Anthony Martial?

To be honest, I pay very little attention to what players say on social media, compared to what happens in reality. But, I probably would put Martial close to the bottom of the list in terms of who I'd trust.
 
Its just all messy isnt it. Liverpool and City just dont seem to have this same culture that you describe. Sounds like United is full of individuals and really not a connected unit that are buying in to a bigger picture. Needs a real overhaul.

Bit in bold - because its the second time he has said something in a media conference that has then been poo poo'd by a player. It seems to me that players just dont respect him enough as hes only there in the short term.

Reports when Lingard was at West Ham suggested he was a very polarising individual who lifted the mood of the players and was a really positive guy... Id understand that dropping somewhat when going back to united and then not getting game time, but he does seem to be a very fun personality.

This is exactly right. RR is doing a job but it's not like flicking a light switch when contracts are involved. I think he's doing the right thing and needs time.

JL is an interesting one. Arguably deserves more game time, but then so does DVB and Sancho. JL strikes me as the kind of person who's the life and soul of a room but deep down is riddled with Anxiety. The kind of person who needs people around him to tell him how amazing he is.

For me, like I've said on here before. The siging of Ronaldo is the thing that upset the apple cart and has reduced opportunities for the younger players like JL, Sancho, DVB and until recently Greenwood.
 
Question, does RR, or anyone at United really, know what Uniteds best side or close to it is currently? I guess theres a few less to choose from now with Martial and Van de Beek leaving, Lingaard clearly not being picked and Greenwoods situation

seems 2 options at either full back, 3 into 2 at centre half, plenty of CM options that dont seem to work (add in the return of Pogba to this too), where does Fernandes play and who are the other attacking options alongside Ronaldo? Cavani seems to be sidelined and the rest seem to be rotating trying to find some partnerships that work?

if I guessed United starting XI for the next league game Id be surprised if I got more than 7 or 8 right
 
Question, does RR, or anyone at United really, know what Uniteds best side or close to it is currently? I guess theres a few less to choose from now with Martial and Van de Beek leaving, Lingaard clearly not being picked and Greenwoods situation

seems 2 options at either full back, 3 into 2 at centre half, plenty of CM options that dont seem to work (add in the return of Pogba to this too), where does Fernandes play and who are the other attacking options alongside Ronaldo? Cavani seems to be sidelined and the rest seem to be rotating trying to find some partnerships that work?

if I guessed United starting XI for the next league game Id be surprised if I got more than 7 or 8 right
To be fair, I think it was fairly clear what Rangnick felt was United's best side, before the break anyway.

De Gea
Dalot (Ole preferred Wan Bissaka)
Telles (Ole preferred Shaw)
Maguire
Varane
Fred
McTomminay
Rashford
Greenwood
Fernandes
Ronaldo

Elanga came in on the left, as Rashford was out of form and just back from injury, but I suspect he ultimately still prefers Rashford, or prepared to give him the chance. He'd rotate a few in and out, but those players appeared to be HIS preferred best 11. Clearly Greenwood could be out for a while (or forever), so hopefully Sancho will hopefully now get the chance he is looking for.
 
Only 9 of this weekends 16 FA Cup matches will have VAR in use,
From the BBC:

“The cut-off is clear. It is in operation at Premier League grounds only.

Effectively, only Premier League clubs have licences due to the infrastructure, workforce and costs that are involved.

The match cost is £9,250, which is shared equally by the competing clubs from the gate receipts.”

Didn’t realise the costs would be shared.

Imo, it should be the same for all ties for all rounds in the competition.
What if someone who was in the Premier League last season - and therefore had all the VAR stuff installed presumably - is now in the Championship buts gets a home tie in the cup? Will they not use it even though all the equipment is in place??
 
What if someone who was in the Premier League last season - and therefore had all the VAR stuff installed presumably - is now in the Championship buts gets a home tie in the cup? Will they not use it even though all the equipment is in place??
I think B’Mouth did a few years back, but if they no longer have the license they can’t.?‍♂️
 
To be fair, I think it was fairly clear what Rangnick felt was United's best side, before the break anyway.

De Gea
Dalot (Ole preferred Wan Bissaka)
Telles (Ole preferred Shaw)
Maguire
Varane
Fred
McTomminay
Rashford
Greenwood
Fernandes
Ronaldo

Elanga came in on the left, as Rashford was out of form and just back from injury, but I suspect he ultimately still prefers Rashford, or prepared to give him the chance. He'd rotate a few in and out, but those players appeared to be HIS preferred best 11. Clearly Greenwood could be out for a while (or forever), so hopefully Sancho will hopefully now get the chance he is looking for.

As a united fan when you read that team, does it get you excited?

Not saying there arent good players, really want to see Sancho flourish, but man you guys are lacking something special and that fear you used to. Possibly playing 2 CDM's is the cause?

As an Villa fan I read that line up and think we can compete. I never expect anything against City/ Liverpool/ Chelsea - just hope we give them a game! The only thing that scares me is that you always seem to win penos against us, of which Fernandes or Ronaldo dont miss many!
 
As a united fan when you read that team, does it get you excited?

Not saying there arent good players, really want to see Sancho flourish, but man you guys are lacking something special and that fear you used to. Possibly playing 2 CDM's is the cause?

As an Villa fan I read that line up and think we can compete. I never expect anything against City/ Liverpool/ Chelsea - just hope we give them a game! The only thing that scares me is that you always seem to win penos against us, of which Fernandes or Ronaldo dont miss many!
It is certainly not exciting, especially when you look at the core of the team. Fred and McTomminay, no matter how hard they work, will never consistently be able to control the temp of a football match. If we had two quality players in there (with McTomminay and/or Fred as squad players), potentially they can help join up defense and attack. Be able to effectively bring the wingers into the game, and provide easy balls for shaky defenders to pass to. We've obviously a lot of players out of form and low on confidence, so my "hope" is that strengthening that area of the pitch would improve the performances of players who have shown potential in the past.
 
It is certainly not exciting, especially when you look at the core of the team. Fred and McTomminay, no matter how hard they work, will never consistently be able to control the temp of a football match. If we had two quality players in there (with McTomminay and/or Fred as squad players), potentially they can help join up defense and attack. Be able to effectively bring the wingers into the game, and provide easy balls for shaky defenders to pass to. We've obviously a lot of players out of form and low on confidence, so my "hope" is that strengthening that area of the pitch would improve the performances of players who have shown potential in the past.

I do rate McTomminay to be fair, just think hes maybe a 6th-10th place prem team player rather than top 4 talent - but as you say, would be a great squad player.

What we all need really is to clone Kante and sign him up :ROFLMAO:
 
Man United need to get their stories straight

Ralf R says Lingard asked for a couple of days off to get his head right

Lingard tweets to say hes fine and the club told him to have time off.

Not the first time Ralf has just made stuff up to the media, all a bit weird if you ask me! You'd think "the biggest club in the world" could at least sing from the same hymn sheet

You actually know he's 'just made stuff up', fair enough, I just didn't realise you were there! ;)
 
Only 9 of this weekends 16 FA Cup matches will have VAR in use,
From the BBC:

“The cut-off is clear. It is in operation at Premier League grounds only.

Effectively, only Premier League clubs have licences due to the infrastructure, workforce and costs that are involved.

The match cost is £9,250, which is shared equally by the competing clubs from the gate receipts.”

Didn’t realise the costs would be shared.

Imo, it should be the same for all ties for all rounds in the competition.

I agree and I mentioned it before. You need to have a level playing field and it should be available to all (surely the FA should have sufficient to be able to support the non-PL sides to have this for the game) or not used at all
 
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