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pauldj42 said:
I’m not for one minute saying they are or will be the greatest English Managers ever, but, it was not long ago on here posters were moaning about the same old managers on the Club merry go round, ie, Bruce, Allardyce, Pardew, Hodgson etc and asking why Clubs weren’t giving younger guys a chance, and now we’ve got Potter, Howe, Gerrard and Lampard, people are picking them to bits and saying how they are not good enough.

I can’t think of one great manager who didn’t have to prove themselves at lower levels before making it at the top.

And still some of them, Pep, Jose, Klopp etc aren’t rated by everyone.
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Gerrards been awesome so far to be fair.

If Dean Smith saves Norwich, he could become the next big Sam!
 
Bdill93 said:
Gerrards been awesome so far to be fair.

If Dean Smith saves Norwich, he could become the next big Sam!
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Mate, I hope all the English guys come good, but I would say it’s a little early to describe him as awesome, give him a season or 2.(y)
 
pauldj42 said:
Mate, I hope all the English guys come good, but I would say it’s a little early to describe him as awesome, give him a season or 2.(y)
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I dont really care to be your next argument on this thread. Awesome so far.... Not awesome full stop.

Within weeks he put into place a strategy and footballing philosophy which is clearly evident to all the fans already. Its highly entertaining and we have never not competed in any games. Great back room staff alongside him who have already improved some of the players by allowing them to play the right type of football.

Hes shipped out dead wood and brought in better replacements attracting names that our previous manager wouldnt (Not a dig at Smith - big fan and will always appreciate what he did for AVFC)

What more can you ask for in such a short space of time.
 
Bdill93 said:
I dont really care to be your next argument on this thread. Awesome so far.... Not awesome full stop.

Within weeks he put into place a strategy and footballing philosophy which is clearly evident to all the fans already. Its highly entertaining and we have never not competed in any games. Great back room staff alongside him who have already improved some of the players by allowing them to play the right type of football.

Hes shipped out dead wood and brought in better replacements attracting names that our previous manager wouldnt (Not a dig at Smith - big fan and will always appreciate what he did for AVFC)

What more can you ask for in such a short space of time.
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OK, I’ll bow out if that’s how you’ve taken my post, I thought I was praising the English managers and wanting them to succeed and thought you were including his time at Rangers.
I hope he’s a success at Villa as I see it as a good thing for future England managers.
 
pauldj42 said:
I’m not for one minute saying they are or will be the greatest English Managers ever, but, it was not long ago on here posters were moaning about the same old managers on the Club merry go round, ie, Bruce, Allardyce, Pardew, Hodgson etc and asking why Clubs weren’t giving younger guys a chance, and now we’ve got Potter, Howe, Gerrard and Lampard, people are picking them to bits and saying how they are not good enough.

I can’t think of one great manager who didn’t have to prove themselves at lower levels before making it at the top.

And still some of them, Pep, Jose, Klopp etc aren’t rated by everyone.
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None of that really ties in with my opinions. Potter seems to be a excellent manager, I'd happily have him at Spurs when Conte gets bored. Gerrard seems to have started well, and I think Lampard did well at Chelsea when bringing the youth players in and finishing top four under the transfer ban - just a little out of his depth when the ban was lifted and they gave him new players left, right and centre. I also rate Allardyce and Hodgson as sensible, pragmatic managers to bring in when you're down in the crap at the bottom of the league. Bruce less so, he seems a bit clueless at times.

Edit: To bring it back to what prompted this - it's only Howe I think has been massively overrated! Probably because of the fact he's English. If he was foreign he'd be seen as naive rather than a plucky young English manager.
 
pauldj42 said:
I’m not for one minute saying they are or will be the greatest English Managers ever, but, it was not long ago on here posters were moaning about the same old managers on the Club merry go round, ie, Bruce, Allardyce, Pardew, Hodgson etc and asking why Clubs weren’t giving younger guys a chance, and now we’ve got Potter, Howe, Gerrard and Lampard, people are picking them to bits and saying how they are not good enough.

I can’t think of one great manager who didn’t have to prove themselves at lower levels before making it at the top.

And still some of them, Pep, Jose, Klopp etc aren’t rated by everyone.
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Managers like Gerrard , Potter and Howe imo have started to prove themselves

No idea why Howe is being dismissed- he did a great job at Bournemouth , I don’t think he is right manager for Newcastle but think he is still a good manager

Potter did well at Swansea and is doing well at Brighton - think he deserves a chance at a bigger club if they come along

Gerrard - did well at Rangers , won trophies there to break up the Celtic domination. Villa have given him a go and he seems to have started well , interesting to see how he goes

Lampard - he has managed to get a couple of jobs because of who he is imo as opposed to what he did , Derby he didn’t seem to move them forward , Chelsea he got the job because he was an ex player and don’t think anyone else would touch them , did ok with a talented team but then dropped when given money . Everton have given him a go - like Howe at Newcastle I don’t think he is the right man for that job but we will see.

These managers though have a different way of looking at the game than the likes of Allardyce, Bruce etc - they all want to play the game on the offensive. They are different in their thinking , their methods - they are prob closer to the modern Footballer as well
 
Orikoru said:
None of that really ties in with my opinions. Potter seems to be a excellent manager, I'd happily have him at Spurs when Conte gets bored. Gerrard seems to have started well, and I think Lampard did well at Chelsea when bringing the youth players in and finishing top four under the transfer ban - just a little out of his depth when the ban was lifted and they gave him new players left, right and centre. I also rate Allardyce and Hodgson as sensible, pragmatic managers to bring in when you're down in the crap at the bottom of the league. Bruce less so, he seems a bit clueless at times.
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I never made the post aiming it at anyone in particular, it’s fact though, people tend to write off our own managers when very few have been given a chance, now we have 4 getting a chance and people are finding faults. I hope they are succesful for the reason I stated.

Howe got B’Mouth relegated, but he kept them in the PL for 5 seasons with very little financial backing and finished top 10 one season, Yes they conceded goals, but there were teams who stayed in the PL and conceded more, he had them playing some good football, scoring a lot of goals. His time with BMouth he’ll of learnt a lot.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Managers like Gerrard , Potter and Howe imo have started to prove themselves

No idea why Howe is being dismissed- he did a great job at Bournemouth , I don’t think he is right manager for Newcastle but think he is still a good manager

Potter did well at Swansea and is doing well at Brighton - think he deserves a chance at a bigger club if they come along

Gerrard - did well at Rangers , won trophies there to break up the Celtic domination. Villa have given him a go and he seems to have started well , interesting to see how he goes

Lampard - he has managed to get a couple of jobs because of who he is imo as opposed to what he did , Derby he didn’t seem to move them forward , Chelsea he got the job because he was an ex player and don’t think anyone else would touch them , did ok with a talented team but then dropped when given money . Everton have given him a go - like Howe at Newcastle I don’t think he is the right man for that job but we will see.

These managers though have a different way of looking at the game than the likes of Allardyce, Bruce etc - they all want to play the game on the offensive. They are different in their thinking , their methods - they are prob closer to the modern Footballer as well
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You're only as good as your last job.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Managers like Gerrard , Potter and Howe imo have started to prove themselves

No idea why Howe is being dismissed- he did a great job at Bournemouth , I don’t think he is right manager for Newcastle but think he is still a good manager

Potter did well at Swansea and is doing well at Brighton - think he deserves a chance at a bigger club if they come along

Gerrard - did well at Rangers , won trophies there to break up the Celtic domination. Villa have given him a go and he seems to have started well , interesting to see how he goes

Lampard - he has managed to get a couple of jobs because of who he is imo as opposed to what he did , Derby he didn’t seem to move them forward , Chelsea he got the job because he was an ex player and don’t think anyone else would touch them , did ok with a talented team but then dropped when given money . Everton have given him a go - like Howe at Newcastle I don’t think he is the right man for that job but we will see.

These managers though have a different way of looking at the game than the likes of Allardyce, Bruce etc - they all want to play the game on the offensive. They are different in their thinking , their methods - they are prob closer to the modern Footballer as well
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He took Derby in his one and only season to the Championship play off for the first time in 6 seasons, then was offered the Chelsea job, who knows what he’d of done if he’d of stayed, plus Chelsea to 4th and the FA Cup Final in his first season isn’t bad either and was 9th part way through the season when he was sacked after a run of 5 losses out of 6.

As I’ve already said though, it’s good to see them all getting a chance.
 
pauldj42 said:
I’m not for one minute saying they are or will be the greatest English Managers ever, but, it was not long ago on here posters were moaning about the same old managers on the Club merry go round, ie, Bruce, Allardyce, Pardew, Hodgson etc and asking why Clubs weren’t giving younger guys a chance, and now we’ve got Potter, Howe, Gerrard and Lampard, people are picking them to bits and saying how they are not good enough.

I can’t think of one great manager who didn’t have to prove themselves at lower levels before making it at the top.

And still some of them, Pep, Jose, Klopp etc aren’t rated by everyone.
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I’m going to hazard a guess and say Steven Gerrard will become one of the most successful managers in the future.
The worst thing is it could be with Liverpool.
 
pokerjoke said:
I’m going to hazard a guess and say Steven Gerrard will become one of the most successful managers in the future.
The worst thing is it could be with Liverpool.
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Not bothered Tony, the only time I care is when they are opposing Everton.

I’d like to see an Englishman have success on the European stage and be talked about in the same way we hear Pep, Jose, Klopp etc being talked about and then when the England Manager’s job is vacant we could be discussing some real quality options rather than those who just happen to have no more qualification than being English.
 
pauldj42 said:
He took Derby in his one and only season to the Championship play off for the first time in 6 seasons, then was offered the Chelsea job, who knows what he’d of done if he’d of stayed, plus Chelsea to 4th and the FA Cup Final in his first season isn’t bad either and was 9th part way through the season when he was sacked after a run of 5 losses out of 6.

As I’ve already said though, it’s good to see them all getting a chance.
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When I look at the players he had at derby, my view is that he did not over achieve. They had Mount, Wilson, Tomori, Huddlestone and Ashley Cole. That requires a big budget, and more of a budget than most of the teams that finished above them. Not really anything that should have warranted being offered the Chelsea job.

From how it went at Chelsea, I think he might be quite a good short-term motivator, but transfers and defensive organisation look questionable.

I reckon he might get a reaction out of Everton and re-energise them, not convinced of his long-term managerial acumen, but that's really because he's not had the chance to demonstrate whether he's actually good or not.
 
So just seen a random question

A direct free kick goes into the teams own goal what is given

A. Goal
B. In Direct Free kick
C. Corner
 
pokerjoke said:
I’m going to hazard a guess and say Steven Gerrard will become one of the most successful managers in the future.
The worst thing is it could be with Liverpool.
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The early signs are positive. Seems to be tactically astute and a good motivator, it's always been clear that he's a leader.

Will be interesting to see how he goes when it comes to spending some more cash in the summer, or if Villa have a good second half of the season, how he goes with increased expectation. Still v early days in his career.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Managers like Gerrard , Potter and Howe imo have started to prove themselves

Lampard - he has managed to get a couple of jobs because of who he is imo as opposed to what he did , Derby he didn’t seem to move them forward , Chelsea he got the job because he was an ex player and don’t think anyone else would touch them , did ok with a talented team but then dropped when given money . Everton have given him a go - like Howe at Newcastle I don’t think he is the right man for that job but we will see.
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Don't forget about Rooney, I think he's doing a superb job at Derby.
Obviously he's got a long way to go, but I think he's showing some promise.
 
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